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Post by Langford Gas on Sept 29, 2020 9:44:22 GMT
Talk of closing down the EFL until crowds are allowed back in. What would that do the players currently in contract? If we're still paying them how is it better than getting funds from iFollow? This came up in March and I think clubs would be able to make players redundant, although I’m not sure at what cost. If there’s no role for the players to fulfil then this, I believe, is a possibility. I wonder how many clubs will do what the dark side did in 82 ?
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Post by darkbluegas on Sept 29, 2020 12:10:42 GMT
It wasn’t a dig at Higgs but a reflection on clubs that are owned by a Local Businessman or woman. The Dunford family or Nick Higgs would be struggling at the moment. If we’d have gone into this with the Wonga loan around our necks we would have been toast this season If it wasn't a dig then why did you mention him. Why couldn't you have said something like how luck we are that we have Weal in charge? Blimey I didn’t realise people were so sensitive about Nick. He had his problems and ran the business in a relatively unsuccessful manner. I didn’t suggest he was a bad person. I’ve no doubt he had Rovers at his heart and he did his very best. The original comment in the thread was more to illustrate that any club with a small business owner at the helm will really struggle to maintain their club through the current situation. I did later say the same of the Dunfords. Nick was only used as an example as he was the last owner before our current owners
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 29, 2020 12:15:41 GMT
If Nick was in charge even he’d have pulled the trigger on our manager.
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Post by baggins on Sept 29, 2020 12:24:30 GMT
I suppose the world is flat too? It is. It's turtles. All the way down.
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Post by yaz on Sept 29, 2020 12:57:12 GMT
Local Port Vale Chairperson spoke very well on National Radio hoping Prem clubs who have lots of TV revenue will bail us out.She also claims that with a stadium that holds 19,000 and 5000 season ticket holders,the Safe distancing wouldn't be a problem for them. The Government has put billions into the Arts during these hard times but expects "working class" sport like football, rugby?, cricket?, etc. to survive on its own merits? What is so special about the Arts that it always gets funding from the Lottery, Government, etc. When was the last time 90% of the population went to a ballet, classic theatre, etc.? If the Arts need to be supported, then football clubs have the same reasons, if not more, e.g. community based, historical, etc. to be supported. As regards lhe Premier League, EFL, National League, etc. these are the historical tiers / ladders of football in this country with just new names now. Promotion and Relegation works between these tiers all the way down to its roots. The FA is also part of the footballing organisation. All these organisations and leagues and clubs are reliant upon each other in order to carry out their business. Maybe there is a case for the EFL (or FA) to look at other ways of bolstering their clubs, not forgetting that an EFL Club can become a Premier League Club and vice versa. Examples could be a percentage of the amount earned by an agent in any transfer of an EFL league player (I would say at least 20%!) to another EFL club or Premier League club (additional premium here to be paid to EFL from transfer fee if transfer to a Premier League or abroad). This EFL money could then be put aside for rainy days and only used to support EFL clubs or lower league clubs in trouble (as long as these clubs can show they are being run in a proper manner). Maybe it is time for the EFL to come up with something, a plan, proposal, etc. that will try and help survive clubs in the immediate and near future? Or put concrete proposals for one-off funding from the Government. A grant of around £1M per club, maybe descending in amount as one goes down the league tiers, would only cost around £100M if it included National League and other "historical", etc. Clubs? Fans could also do something by writing, etc, to their respective MPs and Local Councillors? PS How many football final events do you see on TV or elsewhere where the great and the good of Government and the Monarchy get free, prime seats? It time for payback? Up The Money UTG
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2020 13:21:10 GMT
It's turtles. All the way down. But Are we on the top, or underneath? Always wondered that.
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Post by turdburger on Sept 29, 2020 16:03:25 GMT
There is a pandemic, but the rate is relatively low in Bristol.
This isn't up for debate. It's not a matter of opinion. It's not about agendas. It's not about freedom of speech.
I will ban anyone who tries to spread misinformation about the pandemic.
No joke. You will be banned.
Out of interest, how do you know its mis information🤷♂️
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Post by gregsy on Sept 29, 2020 16:05:08 GMT
There is a pandemic, but the rate is relatively low in Bristol.
This isn't up for debate. It's not a matter of opinion. It's not about agendas. It's not about freedom of speech.
I will ban anyone who tries to spread misinformation about the pandemic.
No joke. You will be banned.
Out of interest, how do you know its mis information🤷♂️ Because Mr information is her dad.....
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Post by turdburger on Sept 29, 2020 16:14:34 GMT
Out of interest, how do you know its mis information🤷♂️ Because Mr information is her dad..... Im hiding from him. He didnt like what i did with mis information😬
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 29, 2020 16:46:53 GMT
...then we wouldn’t exist
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 29, 2020 17:24:07 GMT
Local Port Vale Chairperson spoke very well on National Radio hoping Prem clubs who have lots of TV revenue will bail us out.She also claims that with a stadium that holds 19,000 and 5000 season ticket holders,the Safe distancing wouldn't be a problem for them. The Government has put billions into the Arts during these hard times but expects "working class" sport like football, rugby?, cricket?, etc. to survive on its own merits? What is so special about the Arts that it always gets funding from the Lottery, Government, etc. When was the last time 90% of the population went to a ballet, classic theatre, etc.? If the Arts need to be supported, then football clubs have the same reasons, if not more, e.g. community based, historical, etc. to be supported. As regards lhe Premier League, EFL, National League, etc. these are the historical tiers / ladders of football in this country with just new names now. Promotion and Relegation works between these tiers all the way down to its roots. The FA is also part of the footballing organisation. All these organisations and leagues and clubs are reliant upon each other in order to carry out their business. Maybe there is a case for the EFL (or FA) to look at other ways of bolstering their clubs, not forgetting that an EFL Club can become a Premier League Club and vice versa. Examples could be a percentage of the amount earned by an agent in any transfer of an EFL league player (I would say at least 20%!) to another EFL club or Premier League club (additional premium here to be paid to EFL from transfer fee if transfer to a Premier League or abroad). This EFL money could then be put aside for rainy days and only used to support EFL clubs or lower league clubs in trouble (as long as these clubs can show they are being run in a proper manner). Maybe it is time for the EFL to come up with something, a plan, proposal, etc. that will try and help survive clubs in the immediate and near future? Or put concrete proposals for one-off funding from the Government. A grant of around £1M per club, maybe descending in amount as one goes down the league tiers, would only cost around £100M if it included National League and other "historical", etc. Clubs? Fans could also do something by writing, etc, to their respective MPs and Local Councillors? PS How many football final events do you see on TV or elsewhere where the great and the good of Government and the Monarchy get free, prime seats? It time for payback? Up The Money UTG So you want the Government to spend £100m on football, but don't say anything about Chelsea alone spending £200m+ on transfer fees and are still talking about paying another £40m on Damien Rice. It seems the money is already in football to ensure that most league club's can survive, it just needs passing down the pyramid from the top.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 29, 2020 18:08:36 GMT
There is a pandemic, but the rate is relatively low in Bristol.
This isn't up for debate. It's not a matter of opinion. It's not about agendas. It's not about freedom of speech.
I will ban anyone who tries to spread misinformation about the pandemic.
No joke. You will be banned.
There is a pandemic no doubt, but the death rate is as little as just over 1% in the UK now and has been around the 7th or 8th biggest killer in the country for a while now. The question is the lockdowns are not going to solve this and to continute this is going to create far bigger problems than C19 in the long run. Football clubs are minor compared to the loss of lives,but if clubs fold many lives could be destroyed by the depression the world is heading towards.
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Post by yaz on Sept 29, 2020 18:14:14 GMT
The Government has put billions into the Arts during these hard times but expects "working class" sport like football, rugby?, cricket?, etc. to survive on its own merits? What is so special about the Arts that it always gets funding from the Lottery, Government, etc. When was the last time 90% of the population went to a ballet, classic theatre, etc.? If the Arts need to be supported, then football clubs have the same reasons, if not more, e.g. community based, historical, etc. to be supported. As regards lhe Premier League, EFL, National League, etc. these are the historical tiers / ladders of football in this country with just new names now. Promotion and Relegation works between these tiers all the way down to its roots. The FA is also part of the footballing organisation. All these organisations and leagues and clubs are reliant upon each other in order to carry out their business. Maybe there is a case for the EFL (or FA) to look at other ways of bolstering their clubs, not forgetting that an EFL Club can become a Premier League Club and vice versa. Examples could be a percentage of the amount earned by an agent in any transfer of an EFL league player (I would say at least 20%!) to another EFL club or Premier League club (additional premium here to be paid to EFL from transfer fee if transfer to a Premier League or abroad). This EFL money could then be put aside for rainy days and only used to support EFL clubs or lower league clubs in trouble (as long as these clubs can show they are being run in a proper manner). Maybe it is time for the EFL to come up with something, a plan, proposal, etc. that will try and help survive clubs in the immediate and near future? Or put concrete proposals for one-off funding from the Government. A grant of around £1M per club, maybe descending in amount as one goes down the league tiers, would only cost around £100M if it included National League and other "historical", etc. Clubs? Fans could also do something by writing, etc, to their respective MPs and Local Councillors? PS How many football final events do you see on TV or elsewhere where the great and the good of Government and the Monarchy get free, prime seats? It time for payback? Up The Money UTG So you want the Government to spend £100m on football, but don't say anything about Chelsea alone spending £200m+ on transfer fees and are still talking about paying another £40m on Damien Rice. It seems the money is already in football to ensure that most league club's can survive, it just needs passing down the pyramid from the top. That’s a different topic but if the football authorities want to spread the money downwards that’s fine by me.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 29, 2020 18:26:10 GMT
Any more discussion of the pandemic not directly concerning football should go in General Chat
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Post by Westy on Sept 29, 2020 18:45:00 GMT
Any more discussion of the pandemic not directly concerning football should go in General Chat🙏
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Post by meader on Sept 29, 2020 19:14:26 GMT
Most of all this talk is rubbish. What we need to be talking about is when are we going to sign 1 maybe 2 strikers who will score goals. At the moment I can’t see where the goals are coming from. I’m sure Nick Higgs would be making sure a striker is on the horizon, which there isn’t now.
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Post by fanatical on Sept 29, 2020 19:32:13 GMT
I really don't understand what any of this current situation has to do with Nick Higgs. Can't you leave the guy alone? Nick Higgs had his heart and soul in this club and tried,don’t deserve criticism especially when we don’t know how this would’ve affected us with him in charge. Regardless of what some think Nick Higgs did have the Club at heart. I did not agree with all that he did but at least he was thinking about the Club, unlike the current owner who appears to be more interested in his reputation than that of the Club!
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Post by CheshireGas on Sept 29, 2020 19:52:33 GMT
It's turtles. All the way down. But Are we on the top, or underneath? Always wondered that. I'd rather not be under a giant turtle thanks.....
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Post by CheshireGas on Sept 29, 2020 19:55:20 GMT
Nick Higgs had his heart and soul in this club and tried,don’t deserve criticism especially when we don’t know how this would’ve affected us with him in charge. Regardless of what some think Nick Higgs did have the Club at heart. I did not agree with all that he did but at least he was thinking about the Club, unlike the current owner who appears to be more interested in his reputation than that of the Club! So the training ground is a vanity project then.... And previous managers didn't ask for it and didn't get it from other investors in the club?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 29, 2020 20:02:06 GMT
Nick Higgs had his heart and soul in this club and tried,don’t deserve criticism especially when we don’t know how this would’ve affected us with him in charge. Regardless of what some think Nick Higgs did have the Club at heart. I did not agree with all that he did but at least he was thinking about the Club, unlike the current owner who appears to be more interested in his reputation than that of the Club! What absolute bollocks. He has spent a small fortune over the summer on various aspects of the club yet we rarely hear from him. Sounds like the complete opposite to someone who only cares about his own reputation.
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