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Post by lordlucan on Oct 7, 2020 22:13:28 GMT
I would love a ground like Union Berlin's Stadion An der Alten Försterei. It's got complete terracing on three sides and one seated stand. It hasn't got that unnecessary 'safe' standing because standing was never unsafe at football, it was the policing of standing that was unsafe. The atmosphere is second to none... check it out.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 7, 2020 23:21:08 GMT
It’s all probably pie in the sky but of the new stadiums I like the Liberty at Swansea, neat, wrap around and small enough to get an atmosphere but big enough to get them to the PL. And I agree, anything except the Oxford ground. UTG!
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Post by gaschat on Oct 7, 2020 23:53:17 GMT
We have a stadium, which is perfectly good for our needs, we never fill it and our actual fan base, rather than the spurious nonsense we often hear about on here, doesn’t warrant a larger stadium. We are quite lucky to have a stadium owned by the club owner and we should make the best of that. What we should be investing in is a team, coaching staff and manager...all of which are far more sub standard than the Mem.
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Post by axegas on Oct 8, 2020 2:19:18 GMT
We have a stadium, which is perfectly good for our needs, we never fill it and our actual fan base, rather than the spurious nonsense we often hear about on here, doesn’t warrant a larger stadium. We are quite lucky to have a stadium owned by the club owner and we should make the best of that. What we should be investing in is a team, coaching staff and manager...all of which are far more sub standard than the Mem. The only spurious nonsense on here is this post, anyone can see the mem in its present form is holding the club back. The owners have been investing in the team, coaching staff and manager. £18 million was very generously written off by Wael this summer and a wealth of new additions made in the transfer market even though the football club is currently weathering a pandemic. This level of spending is not sustainable in the long term, hence why getting new facilities that can generate the FC more revenue is so important.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 8, 2020 4:05:14 GMT
I would love a ground like Union Berlin's Stadion An der Alten Försterei. It's got complete terracing on three sides and one seated stand. It hasn't got that unnecessary 'safe' standing because standing was never unsafe at football, it was the policing of standing that was unsafe. The atmosphere is second to none... check it out. As a matter of interest if standing is always perfectly safe ,why does it need policing? I have been in among massive all standing crowds including Liverpool Kop , Stretford end back in the 60s , even the odd game at Eastville when the only thing holding you up were the fans next to you, you swayed with the rest and you were always one step from disaster of collapse, a percentage of fans are not known for queuing in an orderly manner and the ' bar and pub turn out just before 3 o'clock always presents a pushing and shoving problem on packed standing terraces, nothing to do with the police, so yes lets have limited standing by all means ,it adds to the atmosphere, but not on a large scale as in the past.
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Post by blueblood1883 on Oct 8, 2020 5:11:48 GMT
I've been ever the optimist since they announced we were moving to Carsons Road Mangotsfield...
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Post by Congas on Oct 8, 2020 5:34:38 GMT
20k expandable to 30k is what's generally mentioned, and that's where we should be aiming if we're ever going to fulfil our potential. If it's the Fruit Market then it will have to be architecturally unique in some way to fit in with the regeneration plans of the area.
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Post by Jomo on Oct 8, 2020 7:23:49 GMT
We have a stadium, which is perfectly good for our needs, we never fill it and our actual fan base, rather than the spurious nonsense we often hear about on here, doesn’t warrant a larger stadium. We are quite lucky to have a stadium owned by the club owner and we should make the best of that. What we should be investing in is a team, coaching staff and manager...all of which are far more sub standard than the Mem. axegas has responded to this saying basically everything I was going to say, but I still feel compelled to just say how ridiculous I think this post is. Talk about being short sighted. How do you expect the club to generate additional funds to become more sustainable if we just accept that our future is at a dilapidated old stadium with virtually no revenue-generating facilities?
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Oct 8, 2020 8:29:23 GMT
I can remember supporting a move to Mangotsfield, then it was supposed to be Avonmouth, then UWE, then the Fruit Market. 30 years plus and still waiting. I’m 58 now, so can’t see it happening in my lifetime.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Oct 8, 2020 8:44:14 GMT
I can remember supporting a move to Mangotsfield, then it was supposed to be Avonmouth, then UWE, then the Fruit Market. 30 years plus and still waiting. I’m 58 now, so can’t see it happening in my lifetime. Hi bud, In the other times, have the circumstances been like they are now with ALL the changes to the club that are happening (Positive owner, new club identity, new infrastructure, reasons explain as to why we want a stadium and what we want from that project, backed manager with decent aspirations, backed signings) I recently listened to this podcast, which I found decent and informative, if you have a few mins spare, might be worth a listen. listen.gascastpodcast.co.uk/276671/4752980-a-chat-with-tom-gorringe-and-martyn-starnesI have only been a fan since my dad used to take me to Twerton as a young boy (fond memories of the family enclosure next to the away fans - received a few coins over the matches) So don't have as many years of broken promises as you have witnessed, however this is the first time I have felt real movement in the football club off the pitch in a long long time. Like someone posted before the Northampton game... I believe!
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 8, 2020 9:02:03 GMT
I can remember supporting a move to Mangotsfield, then it was supposed to be Avonmouth, then UWE, then the Fruit Market. 30 years plus and still waiting. I’m 58 now, so can’t see it happening in my lifetime. Hi bud, In the other times, have the circumstances been like they are now with ALL the changes to the club that are happening (Positive owner, new club identity, new infrastructure, reasons explain as to why we want a stadium and what we want from that project, backed manager with decent aspirations, backed signings) I recently listened to this podcast, which I found decent and informative, if you have a few mins spare, might be worth a listen. listen.gascastpodcast.co.uk/276671/4752980-a-chat-with-tom-gorringe-and-martyn-starnesI have only been a fan since my dad used to take me to Twerton as a young boy (fond memories of the family enclosure next to the away fans - received a few coins over the matches) So don't have as many years of broken promises as you have witnessed, however this is the first time I have felt real movement in the football club off the pitch in a long long time. Like someone posted before the Northampton game... I believe! We have talked about a new stadium since before we left Eastville and I've hoped for one (or a rebuild) all my time watching. I still do, I can't see why Wael would buy out his family, capitalise £18m, write off £2m interest, support the club financially through the Covid-19 crisis, back the signings we have and start the training ground (another £3m+?) just as a 'plaything' or look important with celebs as some detractors have suggested in the past. I still think something is in the pipeline, although not what and when. Fingers crossed, as fans we live in hope at 3pm on a Saturday anyway, this is just another thing to hope for. Without hope, we may as well not bother.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 8, 2020 9:09:44 GMT
Almost all new grounds are bland. The new Arsenal and Man City grounds are very good but plenty of money was spent on them. Colchester’s place is a very bad example, and Millwall’s. I struggle to think of a good new ground in the lower leagues, maybe Milton Keynes but it is way too big for them. It’s hard to know what size ground would suit us, no more than 15,000. That makes no sense to build only a 15k stadium. The reason we need a new ground is in order for the club to grow and become the same club kind of club that Bristol City have become over the past decade or so... - A steady championship club,from one of the county's biggest cities now ready for premiership football. All clubs bar Darlington get a huge increase in crowds once they get a new stadium.Just look at city's crowds...they went from around the 13k/15k Mark to now over 22k pre C19 after the gates rebuild.We get anything between 8k -10k ourselfs so it makes no sense to limit ourself to just a 15k arena. Imho it needs to be min 20k, with the potential to expand to 30k plus if needed.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 8, 2020 9:26:44 GMT
We have a stadium, which is perfectly good for our needs, we never fill it and our actual fan base, rather than the spurious nonsense we often hear about on here, doesn’t warrant a larger stadium. We are quite lucky to have a stadium owned by the club owner and we should make the best of that. What we should be investing in is a team, coaching staff and manager...all of which are far more sub standard than the Mem. With respect that's the type of thinking that has limited us as a club over the years.Too many people living on to the tag of us being " Ragbag Rovers" from our Bath days. We are from one of the Largest cities in the country, our fanbase has proven it's potential from the crowds we get when we do well or the numbers we take to Finals at Wembley or Cardiff.
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lordlucan
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Post by lordlucan on Oct 8, 2020 9:27:23 GMT
I would love a ground like Union Berlin's Stadion An der Alten Försterei. It's got complete terracing on three sides and one seated stand. It hasn't got that unnecessary 'safe' standing because standing was never unsafe at football, it was the policing of standing that was unsafe. The atmosphere is second to none... check it out. As a matter of interest if standing is always perfectly safe ,why does it need policing? I have been in among massive all standing crowds including Liverpool Kop , Stretford end back in the 60s , even the odd game at Eastville when the only thing holding you up were the fans next to you, you swayed with the rest and you were always one step from disaster of collapse, a percentage of fans are not known for queuing in an orderly manner and the ' bar and pub turn out just before 3 o'clock always presents a pushing and shoving problem on packed standing terraces, nothing to do with the police, so yes lets have limited standing by all means ,it adds to the atmosphere, but not on a large scale as in the past. By the policing of, I did not mean by the Police. Maybe I should have said the management of standing. If when you was on the Kop and the Stretford End you were packed in like that, that is dangerous and comes down to the management of it being wrong. I have stood at Wembley where I could barely breath or move because it was overfilled, but I have been to An der Alten Forsterei stood in a full house comfortably. So i reiterate, it is not standing at football that is unsafe.
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Post by bradfordmeyerbiggs on Oct 8, 2020 9:52:41 GMT
I can remember supporting a move to Mangotsfield, then it was supposed to be Avonmouth, then UWE, then the Fruit Market. 30 years plus and still waiting. I’m 58 now, so can’t see it happening in my lifetime. Hi bud, In the other times, have the circumstances been like they are now with ALL the changes to the club that are happening (Positive owner, new club identity, new infrastructure, reasons explain as to why we want a stadium and what we want from that project, backed manager with decent aspirations, backed signings) I recently listened to this podcast, which I found decent and informative, if you have a few mins spare, might be worth a listen. listen.gascastpodcast.co.uk/276671/4752980-a-chat-with-tom-gorringe-and-martyn-starnesI have only been a fan since my dad used to take me to Twerton as a young boy (fond memories of the family enclosure next to the away fans - received a few coins over the matches) So don't have as many years of broken promises as you have witnessed, however this is the first time I have felt real movement in the football club off the pitch in a long long time. Like someone posted before the Northampton game... I believe! Thanks chap. I will have a listen. Until the diggers move in I will live in hope. The stadium is desperately needed to breathe life back into the club.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 8, 2020 9:55:40 GMT
I would love a ground like Union Berlin's Stadion An der Alten Försterei. It's got complete terracing on three sides and one seated stand. It hasn't got that unnecessary 'safe' standing because standing was never unsafe at football, it was the policing of standing that was unsafe. The atmosphere is second to none... check it out. Lovely ground but, it was a redevelopment within means. For a full redevelopment something along the lines of Erzgebirge Aue's Erzgebirgsstadion would be great.
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lordlucan
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Post by lordlucan on Oct 8, 2020 10:35:01 GMT
I would love a ground like Union Berlin's Stadion An der Alten Försterei. It's got complete terracing on three sides and one seated stand. It hasn't got that unnecessary 'safe' standing because standing was never unsafe at football, it was the policing of standing that was unsafe. The atmosphere is second to none... check it out. Lovely ground but, it was a redevelopment within means. For a full redevelopment something along the lines of Erzgebirge Aue's Erzgebirgsstadion would be great. That is a nice stadium tbf and it is one I would be quite happy with, though with a bigger capacity would be great. I think a 20,000 minimum would be better for us. I know our attendances are not great at the moment, but we have been pretty pants for many years. A new good stadium will attract lapsed support, it will also attract floating supporters as well as new support.
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 8, 2020 10:36:23 GMT
Safe standing room would be nice. Villa Park is my favourite ground and if anywhere we ever build can be even half as nice I’ll be very happy. It really needs to be in the city not in an out of town car park. This all assumes of course that crowds return once there is a vaccine for covid. I worry that we will become even more passive and be content to watch on line and not want to be there in person. I think you make a very good point here. When were through Covid will we see attendances reduce all round? We tend to be creatures of habit and if people get used to doing other things then a lot of people may not come back. For a lot of higher league clubs there are a good deal of indifferent fans who aren’t so passionate. This is probably a good thing for rovers as the 7k core rovers support will be faithful through thick and thin Regarding the stadium 20k seems about right. I would like to see a large home safe standing stand behind one goal and it being something a bit unique. Definitely don’t do tiers as kills atmosphere.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 8, 2020 10:38:01 GMT
Lovely ground but, it was a redevelopment within means. For a full redevelopment something along the lines of Erzgebirge Aue's Erzgebirgsstadion would be great. That is a nice stadium tbf and it is one I would be quite happy with, though with a bigger capacity would be great. I think a 20,000 minimum would be better for us. I know our attendances are not great at the moment, but we have been pretty pants for many years. A new good stadium will attract lapsed support, it will also attract floating supporters as well as new support. I'd be happy with 18k initially with the ability to increase, let's be honest that's a 50% increase on the current capacity. I'd be delighted if we could include both home and away terracing. Most new German developments give a corner of terracing to away fans to aid sightlines for those sitting either side.
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Post by Gashead73 on Oct 8, 2020 11:10:22 GMT
I've been waiting since 1979 for a new stadium, at 47 yrs old I do wonder if I have enough time to see that dream actually happen. I live in hope and I would love to see us in a 18'000 capicity stadium, but will I ever sit in it!?
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