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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 21, 2020 8:04:15 GMT
Nicholson was pretty much just a like-for-like replacement for Daly & played up alongside Hanlan when he came on, didn’t he? Oztumer was playing as a #10 behind a front two of Hanlan-Nicholson? It’s how it looked to me, anyway. When? Yesterday. As in, it was good to see Garner make proactive substitutions at 1-0 up to help manage the last 15/20 minutes of the match. Vs. Burton it felt like we were almost waiting for the inevitable (equaliser) to happen, where as last night I felt his two changes made a big difference in turning the tide of the game back in our favour.
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Post by neilv93 on Oct 21, 2020 9:17:43 GMT
To quote Mourinho from the absolutely superb Spurs All or Nothing doc on Amazon; "we need to play like Special lady gardens".
My favourite part about yesterday is how frequently we stood in the way of their attempt to take quick free-kicks. It was watering them off to no end, which forces them to lose their heads easier and refrain from focusing on trying to get an equaliser. As others have said, I think we're becoming more and more 'street wise' every game and it's great to see.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2020 9:25:26 GMT
To quote Mourinho from the absolutely superb Spurs All or Nothing doc on Amazon; "we need to play like Special lady gardens". My favourite part about yesterday is how frequently we stood in the way of their attempt to take quick free-kicks. It was watering them off to no end, which forces them to lose their heads easier and refrain from focusing on trying to get an equaliser. As others have said, I think we're becoming more and more 'street wise' every game and it's great to see. Sounds as if we might have done our home work on that then, which is positive to consider.
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Post by titchthephot on Oct 21, 2020 9:39:11 GMT
After Donny I said BG had to win his next game or he should be fired.It was 25 odd games then and only 2 wins and the fall from us being 4th on boxing day could not be ignored. But he has turned it around in the last 4/5 games and credit is due to him.👏 It's not me being fickle,just looking at facts.Football is a result,or at least - seeing progress based business and now we are begining to see this with Wael's long term vision under captain BG. You can see where we are heading and we could well have the most talented,exciting young squad outside the championship right now. I really do think BG should be judged on his team and his team only i.e. not the team he inherited last season.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Oct 21, 2020 10:03:28 GMT
Can't argue that 3 out of 4 wins is impressive and BG deserves credit where it's due. But, as it's BG management, there is still questionable decisions for me....when we went down to one line striker v Burton because of BG subs, we conceded. Ok, yesterday we held out. We need to continue to push up and onto teams rather than sit back if we have a narrow lead, it helps the defence and alleviates pressure...two strikers aid and abet this. A marked improvement recently, granted, well done BG for turning it around. I thought we looked more likely to score after the subs.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 21, 2020 10:37:56 GMT
Yesterday. As in, it was good to see Garner make proactive substitutions at 1-0 up to help manage the last 15/20 minutes of the match. Vs. Burton it felt like we were almost waiting for the inevitable (equaliser) to happen, where as last night I felt his two changes made a big difference in turning the tide of the game back in our favour. Can't comment on yesterday as I didn't see it, but accept what you're saying. It was widely reported too. And if so, this is the first time after yonks of matches it did work! But it's to be celebrated, well done, if we push on it's not so much the personnel that becomes important, we just need to play two up front more. A tactic employee not forthcoming from BG until this month..
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 21, 2020 10:38:50 GMT
After Donny I said BG had to win his next game or he should be fired.It was 25 odd games then and only 2 wins and the fall from us being 4th on boxing day could not be ignored. But he has turned it around in the last 4/5 games and credit is due to him.👏 It's not me being fickle,just looking at facts.Football is a result,or at least - seeing progress based business and now we are begining to see this with Wael's long term vision under captain BG. You can see where we are heading and we could well have the most talented,exciting young squad outside the championship right now. I really do think BG should be judged on his team and his team only i.e. not the team he inherited last season. What about the signings he made in January? And continue to play...?
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 21, 2020 10:43:19 GMT
I really do think BG should be judged on his team and his team only i.e. not the team he inherited last season. What about the signings he made in January? And continue to play...? Harries and Daly got injured just after signing, so they didn't play much last season. Both look like good player's, now that they are fit. Barrett hasn't got fit yet, he will struggle to get in the team, now that we have made some good signings in that position.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 21, 2020 10:57:33 GMT
What about the signings he made in January? And continue to play...? Harries and Daly got injured just after signing, so they didn't play much last season. Both look like good player's, now that they are fit. Barrett hasn't got fit yet, he will struggle to get in the team, now that we have made some good signings in that position. Accept that but BG has had 2 whole transfer windows and should be judged accordingly. I think it's disingenuous to suggest after January it was solely down to an inherited team because of our performances. Timmy Abraham featured more than Daly or Zain Walker.. Ginnely?
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Post by wiaww on Oct 21, 2020 11:01:26 GMT
The subs worked well, I thought. Only criticism is that perhaps they should have come sooner.
McCormick and Daly put in huge shifts and we were looking leggy across the pitch before Nicholson and Oz came on. Nicholson for Daly looked like a straight swap, but Nicholson does have a tendency to drift wider left. I was disappointed with Nicholson's work rate for the first 10 he was on the pitch, and don't think he initially did enough to put pressure on their back four with fresh legs. The Oz/McCormick switch saw Westbrooke play slightly more defensively, and Oz sat just in front of him and Grant looking to provide an outlet on the break. Upson wasn't on the pitch long enough to pass judgement.
After the initial double substitution the back 5 seemed to drop deeper as a unit, and the midfield sat narrow, which meant that Shrewsbury had a lot of the ball, but had to work backwards as much as they looked to go forward. I think we nullified them well after the changes, but we looked vulnerable before them.
Obviously not the most convincing of wins, but a sensible performance, and I'd say Garner got it right as we could easily (and should) have nicked a late one to kill off the game completely.
There's definitely the makings of something decent there, but can't help but feel that it could easily go either way at the minute.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 21, 2020 11:04:48 GMT
The subs worked well, I thought. Only criticism is that perhaps they should have come sooner. McCormick and Daly put in huge shifts and we were looking leggy across the pitch before Nicholson and Oz came on. Nicholson for Daly looked like a straight swap, but Nicholson does have a tendency to drift wider left. I was disappointed with Nicholson's work rate for the first 10 he was on the pitch, and don't think he initially did enough to put pressure on their back four with fresh legs. The Oz/McCormick switch saw Westbrooke play slightly more defensively, and Oz sat just in front of him and Grant looking to provide an outlet on the break. Upson wasn't on the pitch long enough to pass judgement. After the initial double substitution the back 5 seemed to drop deeper as a unit, and the midfield sat narrow, which meant that Shrewsbury had a lot of the ball, but had to work backwards as much as they looked to go forward. I think we nullified them well after the changes, but we looked vulnerable before them. Obviously not the most convincing of wins, but a sensible performance, and I'd say Garner got it right as we could easily (and should) have nicked a late one to kill off the game completely. There's definitely the makings of something decent there, but can't help but feel that it could easily go either way at the minute. Fair post! I think many of us are thinking similar. Much much marked improvement and credit for that because up until October, we were staring at something altogether different this season.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 21, 2020 11:46:09 GMT
Game management covers a multitude of sins I suppose. From Wycombe's time wasting, winding up the opposition, to clubs keeping possession to run down time and falling over to get free kicks. It looks like we’ve become a bit canny over this. We did time waste at Sunderland but it was a bit rich Parkinson moaning about it when he’s been doing it for years. I hope we don’t become like Wycombe and get a league-wide reputation, but I’d like the same result, promotion. FWIW, I feel that at the moment there are a lot of boys-club managers such as Robinson, Parkinson, Appleton, Ferguson, Lambert and others who’ve come up the same way and have a great feeling that they are entitled. I’m not sure that Ben G is part of their club because he’s come from nowhere, got a “big” job with us and is doing it another way. When he gets one over on them they don’t like it and seek excuses anywhere. They certainly don’t give credit to any club that beats them and always look to the ref, “we missed chances” etc. to excuse themselves. As to the op, I see game management as trying to control the game when you’re winning. We didn’t do it against Burton but we did last night. Shrewsbury with 20 minutes to go never looked like getting an equaliser. The subs were made at the correct time and made it hard for them, Ben G had learnt a lesson perhaps. Whatever it was, well done to everyone for managing the game well. UTG!
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 21, 2020 13:22:31 GMT
Harries and Daly got injured just after signing, so they didn't play much last season. Both look like good player's, now that they are fit. Barrett hasn't got fit yet, he will struggle to get in the team, now that we have made some good signings in that position. Accept that but BG has had 2 whole transfer windows and should be judged accordingly. I think it's disingenuous to suggest after January it was solely down to an inherited team because of our performances. Timmy Abraham featured more than Daly or Zain Walker.. Ginnely? Daly is still only 20 and he was injured and Walker is still young. Most of the player's brought in are young. In a years time, they should all be better player's. I would take mid table this season. If we can keep this squad together, they could develop into a decent squad. It was always going to be a long term project. Still don't know if it will work, but atleast it's starting to look more promising.
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 21, 2020 13:23:53 GMT
Atleast Garner is learning from his mistakes. On Saturday he made a defensive change and put Upson on for McCormick. Last night he changed him for a more attacking playing and we finished stronger.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 21, 2020 15:06:26 GMT
Atleast Garner is learning from his mistakes. On Saturday he made a defensive change and put Upson on for McCormick. Last night he changed him for a more attacking playing and we finished stronger. I like this post but can't wholly agree with it as Burton and Shrews played, set up and in tempo were very different. We appeared to get a more attacking Tutonga in the match v Shrews because he was pretty much out of the match v Burton. BG subs (always a few minutes either side of 70minute mark) v Burton definitely affected our play negatively, but perhaps last night McCormick replaced by EH helped because EH needs to be dripped into the team gently? Perhaps because of lack of training/match time? I don't know, just putting it out there......but the real test if BG learns will be if his subs affect tangible change when we really need it. That's a mark of a good manager.
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