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Post by neilv93 on Oct 20, 2020 19:17:18 GMT
I will openly admit to only catching the last 20/25 minutes of tonight's game due to work.
However, 10 points from our last four games and more importantly, tonight is the first time under Garner I've appreciated our game management and control. Sure, Salop dominated possession but bar one game where Jaakola made an excellent save (we definitely have the best GK in L1 btw), I thought we nullified them brilliantly.
We held the ball up well in wide areas and still threatened a bit without over-exerting ourselves or being too risky. Westbrooke is such a classy, elegant midfielder and if our bench options are Turkish Messi and Nicholson (who might be pressing for a start soon) then I have every reason to be excited about this squad. Those three in particular, until Zain's late withdrawal, are so tidy in possession and that really helps us in the final third when holding onto a lead - stops us dropping deeper and, you know... giving the ball away.
HUGE well done to Garner, Mesure and the staff - we've really turned a corner since Donny and I firmly believe it's all finally falling into place like Little said it would. On to Accies this Saturday. UTG!
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 20, 2020 21:10:02 GMT
I have to be honest and say there were times in the 2nd half when I thought ‘here we go again’ as we seemed like we were handing the initiative to Shrewsbury. We saw the game out well in the end though.
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Post by oasisgas on Oct 20, 2020 21:28:42 GMT
What I noticed about tonights game is that we have become very streetwise.
I don’t agree with teams time wasting and players going down to waste time but lets be honest, If we didn’t do that others teams will so might as well follow other teams tactics.
Anssi was not rushing to take his kicks but had they gone 1-0 up then Anssi would have been rushing while their keeper would have be taking his time on kicks and being clever.
There was also a moment in the first half where we were under the cosh and Ehmer used his experience to go down clutching his head to slow the game down. Maybe he was injured but I remember at the time thinking he is doing this to slow their momentum.
Frustrating when it happens against you but over the season it will even itself out.
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Post by Icegas on Oct 20, 2020 21:30:38 GMT
After Donny I said BG had to win his next game or he should be fired.It was 25 odd games then and only 2 wins and the fall from us being 4th on boxing day could not be ignored.
But he has turned it around in the last 4/5 games and credit is due to him.👏
It's not me being fickle,just looking at facts.Football is a result,or at least - seeing progress based business and now we are begining to see this with Wael's long term vision under captain BG.
You can see where we are heading and we could well have the most talented,exciting young squad outside the championship right now.
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Post by axegas on Oct 20, 2020 21:30:45 GMT
The subs made a big impact. For the first part of the second half I was worried as we were sitting deep and inviting a lot of pressure from Shrewsbury, it was a bit like the Burton game. Yet, when Oztumer and Nicholson came on, we managed to retain possession better and keep it in Shrewsbury’s half whilst their legs tired. Both are quality options just to have on the bench to bring on.
We were actually unlucky to make it two, lovely pass from Oztumer to put Hanlan through on goal. Our squad depth is a lot better this season than in previous years IMO.
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Post by CrispPusher on Oct 20, 2020 21:52:09 GMT
Whether through profligacy on their part, or game management on our's we saw the game out and got the all important three points. Saying that I think if we had an inferior goalkeeper to Anssi we would have conceded tonight, which further confirms my belief that we have the best goalkeeper at this level by a long stroke.
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Oct 20, 2020 21:55:22 GMT
Everything the Sunderland manager said about us time wasting and Sam Ricketts clearly annoyed by our tactics is music to my ears. It’s About time we showed a bit of dirty tactics and gave ourselves a streetwise edge.
We’ve been pushovers In this league for far too long.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 20, 2020 22:07:36 GMT
The subs made a big impact. For the first part of the second half I was worried as we were sitting deep and inviting a lot of pressure from Shrewsbury, it was a bit like the Burton game. Yet, when Oztumer and Nicholson came on, we managed to retain possession better and keep it in Shrewsbury’s half whilst their legs tired. Both are quality options just to have on the bench to bring on. We were actually unlucky to make it two, lovely pass from Oztumer to put Hanlan through on goal. Our squad depth is a lot better this season than in previous years IMO. Agreed. Hopefully Ayunga is back soon as he’ll be another good impact sub option - I’m sure Hanlan will be in need of a rest soon too.
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Post by xenongas on Oct 20, 2020 22:31:07 GMT
I honestly don't think we're up there with the dark arts pedigree of Sunderland and Fleetwood - which I hasten to add I would not want to be. Yes Jaakola takes his time when we're up and yes we take our time when the ball is dead but I think that is pretty middle of the road stuff and good game management if you want to call it that. Mourinho wants Spurs to be bastards to win. You can do that without crossing over to the dark arts I reckon.
When the subs were made tonight we were much better with keeping the ball at the right end of the pitch, preventing any threat to our goal.
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Post by lpgas1 on Oct 20, 2020 22:35:26 GMT
I hate all the diving and "winning a free kick". Personally I think it is cheating
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Post by yaz on Oct 20, 2020 22:37:18 GMT
After Donny I said BG had to win his next game or he should be fired.It was 25 odd games then and only 2 wins and the fall from us being 4th on boxing day could not be ignored. But he has turned it around in the last 4/5 games and credit is due to him.👏 It's not me being fickle,just looking at facts.Football is a result,or at least - seeing progress based business and now we are begining to see this with Wael's long term vision under captain BG. You can see where we are heading and we could well have the most talented,exciting young squad outside the championship right now. Good results so far this month but October was the month we had to win games and pick up points against these 'easier' teams. So far so good. Harder games follow in November.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2020 23:58:27 GMT
Everything the Sunderland manager said about us time wasting and Sam Ricketts clearly annoyed by our tactics is music to my ears. It’s About time we showed a bit of dirty tactics and gave ourselves a streetwise edge. We’ve been pushovers In this league for far too long. It’s a fine line, do we want a reputation like Wycombe had last season where you become known for your bullshit more than your qualities?
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Post by axegas on Oct 21, 2020 0:10:58 GMT
Everything the Sunderland manager said about us time wasting and Sam Ricketts clearly annoyed by our tactics is music to my ears. It’s About time we showed a bit of dirty tactics and gave ourselves a streetwise edge. We’ve been pushovers In this league for far too long. It’s a fine line, do we want a reputation like Wycombe had last season where you become known for your bullshit more than your qualities? If it would get us promoted like Wycombe, then honestly yes.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 21, 2020 6:02:19 GMT
Can't argue that 3 out of 4 wins is impressive and BG deserves credit where it's due.
But, as it's BG management, there is still questionable decisions for me....when we went down to one line striker v Burton because of BG subs, we conceded. Ok, yesterday we held out.
We need to continue to push up and onto teams rather than sit back if we have a narrow lead, it helps the defence and alleviates pressure...two strikers aid and abet this.
A marked improvement recently, granted, well done BG for turning it around.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Oct 21, 2020 6:04:52 GMT
Can't argue that 3 out of 4 wins is impressive and BG deserves credit where it's due. But, as it's BG management, there is still questionable decisions for me....when we went down to one line striker v Burton because of BG subs, we conceded. Ok, yesterday we held out. We need to continue to push up and onto teams rather than sit back if we have a narrow lead, it helps the defence and alleviates pressure...two strikers aid and abet this. A marked improvement recently, granted, well done BG for turning it around. Nicholson was pretty much just a like-for-like replacement for Daly & played up alongside Hanlan when he came on, didn’t he? Oztumer was playing as a #10 behind a front two of Hanlan-Nicholson? It’s how it looked to me, anyway.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 21, 2020 6:37:37 GMT
Can't argue that 3 out of 4 wins is impressive and BG deserves credit where it's due. But, as it's BG management, there is still questionable decisions for me....when we went down to one line striker v Burton because of BG subs, we conceded. Ok, yesterday we held out. We need to continue to push up and onto teams rather than sit back if we have a narrow lead, it helps the defence and alleviates pressure...two strikers aid and abet this. A marked improvement recently, granted, well done BG for turning it around. Nicholson was pretty much just a like-for-like replacement for Daly & played up alongside Hanlan when he came on, didn’t he? Oztumer was playing as a #10 behind a front two of Hanlan-Nicholson? It’s how it looked to me, anyway. When?
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Post by Congas on Oct 21, 2020 6:53:49 GMT
Everything the Sunderland manager said about us time wasting and Sam Ricketts clearly annoyed by our tactics is music to my ears. It’s About time we showed a bit of dirty tactics and gave ourselves a streetwise edge. We’ve been pushovers In this league for far too long. It’s a fine line, do we want a reputation like Wycombe had last season where you become known for your bullshit more than your qualities? We have far more quality than Wycombe, which shows in the way we mix our style to suit our needs at the time. They stick with their boorish tactics throughout their games and are coming a cropper in the Championship because of that.
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Post by Blueside on Oct 21, 2020 7:45:52 GMT
I hate all the diving and "winning a free kick". Personally I think it is cheating I wouldn't disagree with this view. The point everyone (including me) is making is that we have been far too "honest" over the past heaven knows how many seasons, and it got us nowhere and has been to our detriment, other than leading a few football fair play tables on occasion. Sadly, it is a real case of: "if you can't beat them, join them". As other posters have said you can take it to a certain level without losing too much honour.
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Post by oldgas on Oct 21, 2020 7:59:18 GMT
I honestly don't think we're up there with the dark arts pedigree of Sunderland and Fleetwood - which I hasten to add I would not want to be. Yes Jaakola takes his time when we're up and yes we take our time when the ball is dead but I think that is pretty middle of the road stuff and good game management if you want to call it that. Mourinho wants Spurs to be bastards to win. You can do that without crossing over to the dark arts I reckon. When the subs were made tonight we were much better with keeping the ball at the right end of the pitch, preventing any threat to our goal. When it comes to the Dark Arts there is nothing to compare with the antics that horrible Wycombe team used to employ. I don't think they're doing that in the Champ at the moment to hold onto a draw or win, but they may do it to stop themselves getting properly toned every week!
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Post by warwickgas on Oct 21, 2020 8:03:15 GMT
Was the Game Management started by Ricketts before a ball was even kicked? The suggestion from the commentators was that the pitch had been marked out to be very narrow. A cynic might say that it was done to minimise the effectiveness of our wingbacks.
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