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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2020 12:33:33 GMT
If we are going to criticise individuals i would have to say the most frustrating player last night was Hare , defensively he is no better than Leahy Harsh. He was playing against one of the best players in the division last night but he will have definitely been disappointed with his crossing.
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Post by baggins on Nov 4, 2020 12:55:17 GMT
It's just difficult to know where more than one goal per game is going to come from.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Nov 4, 2020 14:49:18 GMT
With the formation we play it's imperative that one of the 3 centre backs steps up into midfield which will help push Westbrooke forward and Grant possibly but he can also drop in if the CB carries on going. We did this for about 10 minutes last night I think just after Poshs second goal and it bought our best chance of the game with Hanlan who scuffed his shot at the keeper.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 4, 2020 15:01:53 GMT
Ive been thinking about this more since I wrote the post and perhaps I have been a little unfair on Grant in that there is a good player in there but it is at full back as to me he is a defender playing midfield rather than a defensive midfielder and I believe there is a difference and it is a big one because we are actually employing 7 defenders in the team including the goalkeeper so it is hardly surprising that the ball stays in our half a lot of the time! Our three centre halves are spending most of their time not marking anybody at all so that is three players less to compete for the ball. I honestly feel we have a better quality of squad than we have had for years but are a strong striker short to start with. Personally I would go back to a basic formation Jaakkola Grant Ehmer Harries Koiki Hanlon Westbrooke Oztumer Nicholson Daley Out of contract striker/Mitchell Lawson Subs Baldwin GK Tutonda Upson McCoremick Hare Hargreaves Think you're losing the plot Steve - sorry. You're advocating playing 2 players out of position - Grant and Hanlan (both also happen to be playing vey well where they are ) and playing two small strikers up front - the ball won't stick up there !
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Post by markczgas on Nov 4, 2020 15:04:46 GMT
It's just difficult to know where more than one goal per game is going to come from. That's true, but it isn't like we can't score at all. We've only failed to score in 2 games ( they are the top 2 teams currently). We have yet to see the best of Nicholson and Otzumer - they'll create and score a few when they have more game time and Ayunga will hopefully be back soon (he's already scored a good goal v Walsall). A bit of patience and I think we'll start scoring more.
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Post by baggins on Nov 4, 2020 15:37:53 GMT
It's just difficult to know where more than one goal per game is going to come from. That's true, but it isn't like we can't score at all. We've only failed to score in 2 games ( they are the top 2 teams currently). We have yet to see the best of Nicholson and Otzumer - they'll create and score a few when they have more game time and Ayunga will hopefully be back soon (he's already scored a good goal v Walsall). A bit of patience and I think we'll start scoring more. I really do hope you're right fella.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 4, 2020 15:39:54 GMT
I would be interested in... (When fit)
Jaakkola Kilgour Ehmer Harries Hare Westbrook Grant Tutonda Nicholson Ayunga Hanlan
Ayunga is the target man with Hanlan playing a bit deeper in the space between the mids and def. I think with him picking the ball up and driving at defenses and Ayunga being the tip of the spear that will work wonders. My only concern then is the fitness required of Ayunga as I can't see him doing all these bits Hanlan does but I guess when he gets tired shift back to what we are doing now with Hanlan at the number 9 and Daly coming in to harass in the number 10 role.
We also have excellent options to rotate/refresh with McCormick/Ozzy/Hargreaves/JML/Koiki/Baldwin
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Post by markczgas on Nov 4, 2020 15:44:01 GMT
I would be interested in... (When fit) Jaakkola Kilgour Ehmer Harries Hare Westbrook Grant Tutonda Nicholson Ayunga Hanlan Ayunga is the target man with Hanlan playing a bit deeper in the space between the mids and def. I think with him picking the ball up and driving at defenses and Ayunga being the tip of the spear that will work wonders. My only concern then is the fitness required of Ayunga as I can't see him doing all these bits Hanlan does but I guess when he gets tired shift back to what we are doing now with Hanlan at the number 9 and Daly coming in to harass in the number 10 role. We also have excellent options to rotate/refresh with McCormick/Ozzy/Hargreaves/JML/Koiki/Baldwin My team too ,but a fully fit Little for Hare - just think he's got more quality than the ever-willing bouncing Hare.
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Post by Langford Gas on Nov 4, 2020 16:24:15 GMT
If we are going to criticise individuals i would have to say the most frustrating player last night was Hare , defensively he is no better than Leahy Harsh. He was playing against one of the best players in the division last night but he will have definitely been disappointed with his crossing. I agree that last night he was up against a useful opponent ,but for me it was the same Saturday often out of position and the wrong side of his man and as i said in another post his usually excellent crossing detracts from his defensive ability . I'm not suggesting Hare is not a decent player ,like most of the squad he will get better. The point i was trying to make was if its ok to criticise Grant last night who IMO had a decent game you can't ignore the other performances and like Hare was up against a very good player ,the other ten were also up against a very good team. Digressing slightly, i thought JCH who looked in very good shape hardly broke into a sweat ! Good defending or did he not look interested
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2020 17:51:21 GMT
I would be interested in... (When fit) Jaakkola Kilgour Ehmer Harries Hare Westbrook Grant Tutonda Nicholson Ayunga Hanlan Ayunga is the target man with Hanlan playing a bit deeper in the space between the mids and def. I think with him picking the ball up and driving at defenses and Ayunga being the tip of the spear that will work wonders. My only concern then is the fitness required of Ayunga as I can't see him doing all these bits Hanlan does but I guess when he gets tired shift back to what we are doing now with Hanlan at the number 9 and Daly coming in to harass in the number 10 role. We also have excellent options to rotate/refresh with McCormick/Ozzy/Hargreaves/JML/Koiki/Baldwin That's basically last night's side with Ayunga replacing Daly, bearing in mind he was playing at Bath's level last season is really going to be our saviour? Although he can't be any worse than Daly's looked since he scored in the first 5 minutes v Hull.
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Post by stevek192 on Nov 4, 2020 21:13:45 GMT
Markczgas, Not as lost it as you might think! I think you will find Grant was a defender and Hanlon a winger. Grant was converted to a defensive midfielder at Plymouth on loan and IMO it shows as he is all sideways and back and Hanlan prefersw to take players on from wide positions. Daly and Mitchell-Lawson are not i9dea but we have no other fit strikers on our books. We have too many midfielders and not enough attackers.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 4, 2020 21:44:50 GMT
We have very limited striking options.My son went to UNI at Plymouth and is a keen Muff fan.They scored four last night.Just imagine scoring four in one game!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 4, 2020 22:06:02 GMT
Markczgas, Not as lost it as you might think! I think you will find Grant was a defender and Hanlon a winger. Grant was converted to a defensive midfielder at Plymouth on loan and IMO it shows as he is all sideways and back and Hanlan prefersw to take players on from wide positions. Daly and Mitchell-Lawson are not i9dea but we have no other fit strikers on our books. We have too many midfielders and not enough attackers. Grant was a central defender not RB, we may as well use Kilgour again if we want to rest Hare. I'm pretty sure Hanlon played as a No 10 at Gills not as a winger, although you say we've got no attackers but the one decent one we have got you now want to play on the wing, are you losing the plot?
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Post by socrates on Nov 4, 2020 23:12:12 GMT
Hanlan and Daley are working very hard and doing well up front. They are not the reason we’re hardly creating or scoring goals. It’s the tactic and tempo that’s the Main problem.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 5, 2020 9:10:23 GMT
I would be interested in... (When fit) Jaakkola Kilgour Ehmer Harries Hare Westbrook Grant Tutonda Nicholson Ayunga Hanlan Ayunga is the target man with Hanlan playing a bit deeper in the space between the mids and def. I think with him picking the ball up and driving at defenses and Ayunga being the tip of the spear that will work wonders. My only concern then is the fitness required of Ayunga as I can't see him doing all these bits Hanlan does but I guess when he gets tired shift back to what we are doing now with Hanlan at the number 9 and Daly coming in to harass in the number 10 role. We also have excellent options to rotate/refresh with McCormick/Ozzy/Hargreaves/JML/Koiki/Baldwin That's basically last night's side with Ayunga replacing Daly, bearing in mind he was playing at Bath's level last season is really going to be our saviour? Although he can't be any worse than Daly's looked since he scored in the first 5 minutes v Hull. Not saying saviour at all, just i would be interested in seeing it - especially Hanlan in the spaces in between facing goal with players to run at
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Post by lpgas1 on Nov 5, 2020 12:45:08 GMT
We must be the only team that has a defensive midfielder who doesn’t pick up two or three goals/assists every match. Bring back Ogogo, we’re really missing his goals and creativity! So many think Ogogo is the answer but if he plays in this system we would get hammered more as he would be caught out of position regularly. But that's ok because he puts in a good tackle a game and the fans love it. He scored a few too. Here is some Boring GC football that helped us reach 4th
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Post by Kipper on Nov 5, 2020 14:00:22 GMT
Can't but wonder if this posession-type football will see Rovers' fighting to stay in division. Was Mr. Garner's recruitment that good? I'm afraid you have to be more up-and-at-em in division 1. Covertry won promotion with posession football, having far more quality players.
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Post by socrates on Nov 5, 2020 17:15:16 GMT
Can't but wonder if this posession-type football will see Rovers' fighting to stay in division. Was Mr. Garner's recruitment that good? I'm afraid you have to be more up-and-at-em in division 1. Covertry won promotion with posession football, having far more quality players. Coventry won promotion last season with tempo and cut through teams due to that combined with fantastic movement from their forwards midfielders and wing backs. . They didn’t slow it to a snails pace and bore their fans to death. The way we’re playing is the same as MK Dons and also Swindon did a few years ago and they got relegated. If your going to have a possession based tactic then you need movement from players when you’ve got the ball and you need to fill the gaps between midfield and attack and midfield and defence , it needs to be fluid . What we’ve got so far is a very structured tactic trying to play possession based football and that’s why we dont play any of that possession based football in the final third. 4-2-3-1 would be better , we’d have players further up the pitch and could have Hanlan Otzumer and Nicholson as the three attacking midfielders supporting our poacher Daley. The two defensive midfielders can then protect the back 4 when any of them advance like the fullbacks or the centre halves for corners free kicks for example.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 5, 2020 18:33:54 GMT
Was at that Shrewsbury game. MILLWALL TONE,OLLIE,SERCS AND OGOGO.What a great game.Do wish three of those four were still here,Ollie being the odd man out.
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Post by markczgas on Nov 5, 2020 19:19:06 GMT
Was at that Shrewsbury game. MILLWALL TONE,OLLIE,SERCS AND OGOGO.What a great game.Do wish three of those four were still here,Ollie being the odd man out. Craig, Clarke and Sercs now play in L2 and Ogogo in National League - how come ? a Trump conspiracy ?
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