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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 17:48:53 GMT
you must be gutted with the cup win. Thats really unfair and honestly a bit beneath you. No one on here who is unconvinced by Garner wants Rovers to lose. I’m genuinely not convinced that is true.
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Post by poorblue on Nov 7, 2020 18:02:19 GMT
I can accept the transition bit, the problem with transition is you don’t know the quality of the final product you will be left with. When you throw in a manager with no previous experience of the division or even management itself you massively increase the risk of whether this transition period will yield anything of value. Further, you then find yourself relegated and/or looking to replace that manager and bang, you’re in transition again and it’s all time and money wasted whilst the gap between the two Bristol clubs grows wider and we lose future generations of fans to the other side of the river. Yep let's do what other teams do, just like a certain team just across the water. Keep all your good players by giving 8 players a 10 year contract on massive wages. Certainly can't go bust can they and cheat the players and companies owed money and then carry on as if nothing has happened? Claims to be "The only team in Bristol" and well over a hundred years old. The Gas had one player (allegedly) who was on massive wages and what stick fans gave for that! Honourable, classy family club the Gas Pay massive wages and go for the prize of the Prem and fail whilst also going into £50m debt not once but twice on both counts, third time lucky?
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Post by phillistine on Nov 7, 2020 18:09:33 GMT
The problem with our brand of possession football is that the build up is slow and predictable and no matter how good it is it allows the opponents to defend in numbers. This in turn starves our attackers of the space that they need and stifles our attacking options. It is not coincidence that we look good early in games before this pattern has set in. Our style of play needs a midfield which has an element of suprise - one that can suddenly change the tempo , zip the ball around quicker, dribble through with it occasionally to draw the defenders forward and even take some longer pot shots. Ortzumer used to have that ability and hopefully with some game time under his belt can be that player again. i hope so because we will struggle otherwise He needs to start against Walsall i wont say - " I told you so" ...... oh ok i will. We saw the speed of thought that had been missing in previous games
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 7, 2020 18:25:30 GMT
The problem with our brand of possession football is that the build up is slow and predictable and no matter how good it is it allows the opponents to defend in numbers. This in turn starves our attackers of the space that they need and stifles our attacking options. It is not coincidence that we look good early in games before this pattern has set in. Our style of play needs a midfield which has an element of suprise - one that can suddenly change the tempo , zip the ball around quicker, dribble through with it occasionally to draw the defenders forward and even take some longer pot shots. Ortzumer used to have that ability and hopefully with some game time under his belt can be that player again. i hope so because we will struggle otherwise He needs to start against Walsall i wont say - " I told you so" ...... oh ok i will. We saw the speed of thought that had been missing in previous games Was it the speed of thought of Oztumer or the fact that an L1 side should always out play a L2 side? I guess we'll find out next Saturday assuming Ozt. keeps his place in the side. Oztimer probably had more of the ball in the first half today than Daly's managed in his last three games. McMormick also seems more effective at the top of the CM diamond than Nicholson.
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Post by Russgas on Nov 7, 2020 18:28:07 GMT
The problem with our brand of possession football is that the build up is slow and predictable and no matter how good it is it allows the opponents to defend in numbers. This in turn starves our attackers of the space that they need and stifles our attacking options. It is not coincidence that we look good early in games before this pattern has set in. Our style of play needs a midfield which has an element of suprise - one that can suddenly change the tempo , zip the ball around quicker, dribble through with it occasionally to draw the defenders forward and even take some longer pot shots. Ortzumer used to have that ability and hopefully with some game time under his belt can be that player again. i hope so because we will struggle otherwise He needs to start against Walsall i wont say - " I told you so" ...... oh ok i will. We saw the speed of thought that had been missing in previous games Yes he has to stay in the starting line up now,he showed enough class and quick thinking today to prove that. We had so much more balance to our midfield.
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Post by mrwarboys on Nov 7, 2020 18:32:59 GMT
Did lose today? asking for a friend.
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Post by madgas on Nov 7, 2020 18:36:57 GMT
Whilst Ozzy's ability made a difference I think so did three other things:
- Ball carrying at RWB and LWB. Hare has been good this season, but he's more of passer than ball carrier. Which doesnt suit this system perfectly. Hard decision but I think for balance Nicholson helps there.
- Again, Daly has had a fine fine season. But he's a 9 playing as a 10. I think having Ozzy in there helped structurally.
- Westbrooke didn't come too deep.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Nov 8, 2020 1:33:20 GMT
We play a very patient style of play and yes it can seem we aren't going forward quickly enough at times but for me we look bloody good on the ball. Kilgore clearly isn't the Garner type player at the back as he only gives a long ball up field when he gets it and I noticed this last season too. This isn't BGS final team and hes had to bring in a lot since the summer but he's got a style of play that I haven't seen before and that's playing with the ball on the floor and being composed with it. I wasn't a fan of BG last year but this season you can see a brand of football that will get better with time so let's back him for this season because he's not going anywhere.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Nov 8, 2020 11:11:06 GMT
Whilst Ozzy's ability made a difference I think so did three other things: - Ball carrying at RWB and LWB. Hare has been good this season, but he's more of passer than ball carrier. Which doesnt suit this system perfectly. Hard decision but I think for balance Nicholson helps there. - Again, Daly has had a fine fine season. But he's a 9 playing as a 10. I think having Ozzy in there helped structurally. - Westbrooke didn't come too deep. Agreed. The wingbacks are absolutely crucial to making our system & style of play work, and for me Hare was far more suited to GC football than BG football (although his crossing is superb, tbf). And Daly is an out-and-out poacher who won’t contribute much to build-up play or helping us keep the ball, where as Oztumer is top notch at both of those parts of the game. He just fits the dynamic of the team more. Thought some of the link-up and 1-2s between Westbrooke & Oztumer were very promising yesterday. Looked like two classy footballers who despite having not played together much so far, were already on the same wavelength.
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 8, 2020 11:26:49 GMT
Whilst Ozzy's ability made a difference I think so did three other things: - Ball carrying at RWB and LWB. Hare has been good this season, but he's more of passer than ball carrier. Which doesnt suit this system perfectly. Hard decision but I think for balance Nicholson helps there. - Again, Daly has had a fine fine season. But he's a 9 playing as a 10. I think having Ozzy in there helped structurally. - Westbrooke didn't come too deep. Agreed. The wingbacks are absolutely crucial to making our system & style of play work, and for me Hare was far more suited to GC football than BG football (although his crossing is superb, tbf). And Daly is an out-and-out poacher who won’t contribute much to build-up play or helping us keep the ball, where as Oztumer is top notch at both of those parts of the game. He just fits the dynamic of the team more. Thought some of the link-up and 1-2s between Westbrooke & Oztumer were very promising yesterday. Looked like two classy footballers who despite having not played together much so far, were already on the same wavelength. I agree and here's my challenge if we have Hare and Daly on the bench we have the personnel to change the system and our pattern of play. Do we have the Management team to see and do that as I don't just see this as Bens challenge as he has a team.
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Post by justin blue on Nov 8, 2020 11:54:27 GMT
While I agree that possession on its own does not win matches surely you have to be in possession to score goals barring penalties and OGs. I think BGs focus on possession is to make the team more comfortable in possession and while it might look slow and ponderous at times now, we are still a work in progress. We can go back to long ball or playing down the wings and crossing and we might get some success, However all of the years I have watched rovers we have been labeled a kick and rush side or a Whoosh side it would be nice for a change to be known as an attractive side or a footballing side,
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Post by phillistine on Nov 9, 2020 0:39:26 GMT
i wont say - " I told you so" ...... oh ok i will. We saw the speed of thought that had been missing in previous games Was it the speed of thought of Oztumer or the fact that an L1 side should always out play a L2 side? I guess we'll find out next Saturday assuming Ozt. keeps his place in the side. Oztimer probably had more of the ball in the first half today than Daly's managed in his last three games. McMormick also seems more effective at the top of the CM diamond than Nicholson. Daly plays further forward than Ozzy. He is a pure striker, an opportunist looking for the odd slip and for what its worth i think that he would have got a couple of goals in that first half when the ball was whizzing across the front of their goal. Ozzy to my mind should play at the head of the diamond in midfield with Daly and Hanlon in front of him.
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Post by playtowin on Nov 9, 2020 10:48:04 GMT
We play a very patient style of play and yes it can seem we aren't going forward quickly enough at times but for me we look bloody good on the ball. Kilgore clearly isn't the Garner type player at the back as he only gives a long ball up field when he gets it and I noticed this last season too. This isn't BGS final team and hes had to bring in a lot since the summer but he's got a style of play that I haven't seen before and that's playing with the ball on the floor and being composed with it. I wasn't a fan of BG last year but this season you can see a brand of football that will get better with time so let's back him for this season because he's not going anywhere. All of the back 3 have tended to end up launching it to end the triangles game on most occasions. Saturday was slightly better. It's difficult for keepers,in the past a full back would get the ball he had several options. Run forward with the ball . Pass up the line to the winger. Pass inside to a central defender or a midfield player. Try the long switch to the far winger. Or launch it to the strikers. The keeper only had to decide...left or right or kick up the middle.... The times have changed.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 11:18:08 GMT
I think some of the signings seem to be pretty astute - there is parts of our play that excites me and other parts that really frustrate me.
I am happy to be patient and hopefully we will improve in all aspects - it is a young team that need our support I like that. The Manager is a Rookie and will make plenty of mistakes - But will be learning all the time.
Those who thought we would be 'top six' this season really need to reflect on the quality of the sides we are up against - I think if we finish top ten this season it will mean progress - next season we have lads with more experience and will push on again.
Every expert on here has their own opinion - I am no expert but i am enjoying watching these guys far more than under the previous Regime.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 9, 2020 12:17:14 GMT
I think some of the signings seem to be pretty astute - there is parts of our play that excites me and other parts that really frustrate me. I am happy to be patient and hopefully we will improve in all aspects - it is a young team that need our support I like that. The Manager is a Rookie and will make plenty of mistakes - But will be learning all the time. Those who thought we would be 'top six' this season really need to reflect on the quality of the sides we are up against - I think if we finish top ten this season it will mean progress - next season we have lads with more experience and will push on again. Every expert on here has their own opinion - I am no expert but i am enjoying watching these guys far more than under the previous Regime. Agree
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Post by bridgwatergas on Nov 9, 2020 12:51:50 GMT
I think some of the signings seem to be pretty astute - there is parts of our play that excites me and other parts that really frustrate me. I am happy to be patient and hopefully we will improve in all aspects - it is a young team that need our support I like that. The Manager is a Rookie and will make plenty of mistakes - But will be learning all the time. Those who thought we would be 'top six' this season really need to reflect on the quality of the sides we are up against - I think if we finish top ten this season it will mean progress - next season we have lads with more experience and will push on again. Every expert on here has their own opinion - I am no expert but i am enjoying watching these guys far more than under the previous Regime. I'm enjoying watching us so much more this season as you can see what BG is trying to do and play football the modern way. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea as they want high tempo hard tackles and endless balls pumped into the box there is nothing wrong with that but if we want to progress as a football club Garnerball is the way we need to go.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Nov 9, 2020 13:01:57 GMT
I think some of the signings seem to be pretty astute - there is parts of our play that excites me and other parts that really frustrate me. I am happy to be patient and hopefully we will improve in all aspects - it is a young team that need our support I like that. The Manager is a Rookie and will make plenty of mistakes - But will be learning all the time. Those who thought we would be 'top six' this season really need to reflect on the quality of the sides we are up against - I think if we finish top ten this season it will mean progress - next season we have lads with more experience and will push on again. Every expert on here has their own opinion - I am no expert but i am enjoying watching these guys far more than under the previous Regime. I'm enjoying watching us so much more this season as you can see what BG is trying to do and play football the modern way. I know it's not everyone's cup of tea as they want high tempo hard tackles and endless balls pumped into the box there is nothing wrong with that but if we want to progress as a football club Garnerball is the way we need to go. I actually think that in any league you need the ability to do all manner of it from Coughlinball to Garnerball. Each team you face provides a different challenge and we need to be able to mix it with all types. The hardest by far you would imagine is Garnerball as you need to be technically gifted and intelligent for passing and space finding etc. That being said for Coughlinbball you need hard tackles and balls into the box. With this squad I feel we are not far off either type of game so for me its positives all around and I am fully onboard with 'the project' UTG
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