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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 4, 2020 21:55:55 GMT
The bloke seems obsessed with possession. It seems every match we fail to win he highlights how much possession we had. He says Pboro won because of 2 screamers, whilst there maybe a bit of truth in that they also had 4 shots on target compared to our 2. Whilst we often have a lot of the ball, we don't do anything significant enough with it. Mr Garner - Possession does not win football matches!
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Post by Icegas on Nov 5, 2020 8:13:29 GMT
Possession should win football matches,but as I stated on another thread we are punchless and have no fire in our play.It's like we are passing the ball around for the sake of it!😂
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 5, 2020 11:57:09 GMT
I suppose if we are in possession, the opposition are far less likely to score*+
* With exception to the Harries slice.
+ With exception to the Mike Baldwin back pass.
We just aren't talented enough to play possession based football against the top six teams in this league. I think BG would be best suited to not being so disingenuous with his post match comments...
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Post by barleycorn48 on Nov 5, 2020 14:43:31 GMT
I have a worry that the manager is mainly a coach whose beleives possession is everthing. I am not impressed with his after match talk, I beleive a good manager has to inspire his players
I do not feel he can motivate and inspire his players, and his match tactics seem to be negative.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Nov 5, 2020 14:46:33 GMT
MODS
Can we merge all of GGMIs threads into one great big moaning/knocking BG thread please?
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 5, 2020 15:04:20 GMT
I have a worry that the manager is mainly a coach whose beleives possession is everthing. I am not impressed with his after match talk, I beleive a good manager has to inspire his players I do not feel he can motivate and inspire his players, and his match tactics seem to be negative. It seems he's usually pleased with our performance after a defeat, I now wonder if it's just a pretence and hyperbole for the benefit of the press/fans or whether he congratulates the players on a good performance? If the latter it won't be doing much for his credibility amongst the players... |
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 5, 2020 15:18:43 GMT
The bloke seems obsessed with possession. It seems every match we fail to win he highlights how much possession we had. He says Pboro won because of 2 screamers, whilst there maybe a bit of truth in that they also had 4 shots on target compared to our 2. Whilst we often have a lot of the ball, we don't do anything significant enough with it. Mr Garner - Possession does not win football matches! Possession in the right areas, should lead to more chances and more points. Would like to see where we have had the majority of our possession. It's highly likely that the majority of it, has been in our own half. We like to pass the ball around the back quite a bit, before giving it away when we get in the other hand. |
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Post by Marshy on Nov 5, 2020 15:20:57 GMT
MODS Can we merge all of GGMIs threads into one great big moaning/knocking BG thread please? Tedious isn’t it. |
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Post by barleycorn48 on Nov 5, 2020 15:42:58 GMT
MODS Can we merge all of GGMIs threads into one great big moaning/knocking BG thread please? Tedious isn’t it. Yes the football is |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 5, 2020 17:11:25 GMT
MODS Can we merge all of GGMIs threads into one great big moaning/knocking BG thread please? Tedious isn’t it. I've hardly knocked the bloke lately but that won't suit your agenda so carry on.. |
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Post by cockergas on Nov 5, 2020 18:25:04 GMT
The bloke seems obsessed with possession. It seems every match we fail to win he highlights how much possession we had. He says Pboro won because of 2 screamers, whilst there maybe a bit of truth in that they also had 4 shots on target compared to our 2. Whilst we often have a lot of the ball, we don't do anything significant enough with it. Mr Garner - Possession does not win football matches! correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t we won 3 games in the league? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 5, 2020 18:26:52 GMT
The bloke seems obsessed with possession. It seems every match we fail to win he highlights how much possession we had. He says Pboro won because of 2 screamers, whilst there maybe a bit of truth in that they also had 4 shots on target compared to our 2. Whilst we often have a lot of the ball, we don't do anything significant enough with it. Mr Garner - Possession does not win football matches! correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t we won 3 games in the league? Yes. What does that have to do with my post though? |
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Post by cockergas on Nov 5, 2020 18:32:53 GMT
correct me if I’m wrong but haven’t we won 3 games in the league? Yes. What does that have to do with my post though? I know what your saying, having the most possession doesn’t win you any points, you need to score more than your opponent. I was just messing. However I much prefer the Garner style to Coughlan style, and we have won 3 times! |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 5, 2020 18:34:47 GMT
Yes. What does that have to do with my post though? I know what your saying, having the most possession doesn’t win you any points, you need to score more than your opponent. I was just messing. However I much prefer the Garner style to Coughlan style, and we have won 3 times! I only like possession based football if its quick and effective. Otherwise there isn't much between that or GC's style for me. If we can get better at it then it will be really good but at the moment just a bit meh! |
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 5, 2020 19:15:42 GMT
Probably worth adding that in our last two victories we only had 35% of the possession (Shrewsbury) and 40% (Lincoln).
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Post by wilmslowgas on Nov 5, 2020 20:59:10 GMT
Possession. on its own is virtually meaningless. The importance thing is where you get possession and what you do with it once you're there. To date, our lacklustre scoring rate and shots on goal total would seem to suggest that our possession. In the attacking area of the pitch is very ineffective.
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Post by socrates on Nov 5, 2020 22:45:05 GMT
I know what your saying, having the most possession doesn’t win you any points, you need to score more than your opponent. I was just messing. However I much prefer the Garner style to Coughlan style, and we have won 3 times! I only like possession based football if its quick and effective. Otherwise there isn't much between that or GC's style for me. If we can get better at it then it will be really good but at the moment just a bit meh! Yeah whilst I agree Coughlans football was very direct and not pretty it was winning football. Under Garner most games we’ve been boring as hell and we’ve either lost or drawn. Now I’m not saying it won’t come good it might but I fail to see how anybody in their right mind can say Garners team have been more enjoyable or exciting to watch than Coughlans side. For a start we created more chances , scored more and won more under Coughlan. That is obviously up until now, nobody knows what the future holds and I’m Sure the majority of us really hope that Garner can mould his squad in to an entertaining fluid passing winning team that is enjoyable to watch and can get us in to the top half and challenging for the top 6 but up until now I found watching Rovers much more enjoyable under Coughlan than Garner. The football under Garner is very similar to what it was like under DC after he passed those coaching badges. Time will tell. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 6, 2020 6:17:26 GMT
Yes. What does that have to do with my post though? I know what your saying, having the most possession doesn’t win you any points, you need to score more than your opponent. I was just messing. However I much prefer the Garner style to Coughlan style, and we have won 3 times! Is that how bad we are that we are now happy with 3 wins in 10? We were crap against Northampton and needed a penalty and a man sent off to finally beat them. How on earth we beat Shrewsbury is a mystery. I've waited 10 games but have really seen no improvement in Garner as a manager. |
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Post by phillistine on Nov 6, 2020 8:21:33 GMT
The problem with our brand of possession football is that the build up is slow and predictable and no matter how good it is it allows the opponents to defend in numbers. This in turn starves our attackers of the space that they need and stifles our attacking options. It is not coincidence that we look good early in games before this pattern has set in.
Our style of play needs a midfield which has an element of suprise - one that can suddenly change the tempo , zip the ball around quicker, dribble through with it occasionally to draw the defenders forward and even take some longer pot shots.
Ortzumer used to have that ability and hopefully with some game time under his belt can be that player again. i hope so because we will struggle otherwise
He needs to start against Walsall
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Post by cockergas on Nov 6, 2020 8:51:40 GMT
I know what your saying, having the most possession doesn’t win you any points, you need to score more than your opponent. I was just messing. However I much prefer the Garner style to Coughlan style, and we have won 3 times! Is that how bad we are that we are now happy with 3 wins in 10? We were crap against Northampton and needed a penalty and a man sent off to finally beat them. How on earth we beat Shrewsbury is a mystery. I've waited 10 games but have really seen no improvement in Garner as a manager. is this another case of spinning the stats to fit an agenda. We had a hard start with those first 3 games, we got a draw and lost 2. There was the usual meltdown but calm was called for with the message, let’s see where we are after 10 games. It’s a results business and you say you have seen no improvement, yet in the 7 games since the ‘give him 10’ was raised we have won three, drawn 2 and lost 2. Indeed the 2 we lost were against 2 very good teams. So results have improved. We have a young team, a new manager just starting out who’s views on how the game should be played match that of our owner. That owner is gradually restructuring how the whole club operates. We are building for a sustainable future, I for one am happy with this, yet some on here would seem to want ‘the same old same old’. Hovering around leagues 1 and 2, journeymen, living above our means and in the current climate.........well who knows |
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