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Post by axegas on Nov 17, 2020 14:34:33 GMT
I don’t think Tisdale would be a bad appointment at all if Starnes does choose to appoint him. It would be a represent a continuation of the philosophy of giving young players opportunities and playing a possession style of football but what Tisdale has over Garner is years and years of experience both as a player and a manager.
You’ve only got to look at his CV at Exeter, back to back promotions, an 8th place finish in league one with a club quite a bit smaller than us, 4 playoff finishes, the likes of Ollie Watkins, Ethan Ampadu, Matt Grimes, Jordan Storey, George Friend, Tom Nichols all sold on for a tidy sums after he gave them a chance.
People seem to be turning their noses up at him for his recent spell at MK Dons but even then he managed to get them promoted in his first season in charge.
Yes, Paul Cook would be a good appointment but if you think he’s going to come to a lower mid table league one club after impressing as a manager in the championship then forget about it and other than him I’m not seeing too many other managers that fits what we want to achieve as well as Tisdale.
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Post by justin blue on Nov 17, 2020 14:39:46 GMT
how many promotions beyond league 2 He got Exeter to finish in eighth place in league One, which is better than we have achieved since we got promoted. He would not be my first choice, but wouldn't be entirely unhappy if he got it.
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Post by darkbluegas on Nov 17, 2020 14:51:26 GMT
how many promotions beyond league 2 He got Exeter to finish in eighth place in league One, which is better than we have achieved since we got promoted. He would not be my first choice, but wouldn't be entirely unhappy if he got it. After all Wael’s efforts to move the club forward I can’t believe he’ll show so much lack of ambition to appoint Tisdale
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Post by yattongas on Nov 17, 2020 14:52:25 GMT
It’s a no from me for Tisdale . Spent too long knocking round in the divisions below , his brief spells at this level haven’t been great. Just like DC he got found out when he moved up to this level I think Tisdale did as well. I’d be surprised if we pick him...... and I’m not often wrong 😉
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 14:57:55 GMT
Watching that you can now see why Tisdale is favourite for the Job. It sounded like he read out Tis's CV. Apart from the bit about getting results in the meantime.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 14:59:12 GMT
Since Martyn has spoken PT gone from 1/3 to 1/6 That’s just people who’ve read this thread and lumped on
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 15:04:10 GMT
I don’t think Tisdale would be a bad appointment at all if Starnes does choose to appoint him. It would be a represent a continuation of the philosophy of giving young players opportunities and playing a possession style of football but what Tisdale has over Garner is years and years of experience both as a player and a manager. You’ve only got to look at his CV at Exeter, back to back promotions, an 8th place finish in league one with a club quite a bit smaller than us, 4 playoff finishes, the likes of Ollie Watkins, Ethan Ampadu, Matt Grimes, Jordan Storey, George Friend, Tom Nichols all sold on for a tidy sums after he gave them a chance. People seem to be turning their noses up at him for his recent spell at MK Dons but even then he managed to get them promoted in his first season in charge. Yes, Paul Cook would be a good appointment but if you think he’s going to come to a lower mid table league one club after impressing as a manager in the championship then forget about it and other than him I’m not seeing too many other managers that fits what we want to achieve as well as Tisdale’s. He’s got a great record in the league below, but it sounds like in this division he’s ended up playing “backwards football” like Garner did, passing backwards and struggling to create chances. I think passing football merchants can end up tieing their own noose by being so wedded to their principles. Contrast that with Coughlan who banged the ball down the pitch and got shots on target, scored goals and won games. I’m not saying we should go back to Coughlan by the way, just that we should be looking for someone who knows how to get results in this league because it’s becoming a step up that catches some managers out, or at least, not someone who has proven in recent years that they don’t know how to get results in this league eg I’d take Duff over Tisdale personally.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 17, 2020 15:07:37 GMT
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Post by CrispPusher on Nov 17, 2020 15:14:41 GMT
A relief that the poor performances were not missed/ignored by the people running the club. Let's hope they get the appointment rigt this time!
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Post by axegas on Nov 17, 2020 15:16:30 GMT
I don’t think Tisdale would be a bad appointment at all if Starnes does choose to appoint him. It would be a represent a continuation of the philosophy of giving young players opportunities and playing a possession style of football but what Tisdale has over Garner is years and years of experience both as a player and a manager. You’ve only got to look at his CV at Exeter, back to back promotions, an 8th place finish in league one with a club quite a bit smaller than us, 4 playoff finishes, the likes of Ollie Watkins, Ethan Ampadu, Matt Grimes, Jordan Storey, George Friend, Tom Nichols all sold on for a tidy sums after he gave them a chance. People seem to be turning their noses up at him for his recent spell at MK Dons but even then he managed to get them promoted in his first season in charge. Yes, Paul Cook would be a good appointment but if you think he’s going to come to a lower mid table league one club after impressing as a manager in the championship then forget about it and other than him I’m not seeing too many other managers that fits what we want to achieve as well as Tisdale’s. He’s got a great record in the league below, but it sounds like in this division he’s ended up playing “backwards football” like Garner did, passing backwards and struggling to create chances. I think passing football merchants can end up tieing their own noose by being so wedded to their principles. Contrast that with Coughlan who banged the ball down the pitch and got shots on target, scored goals and won games. I’m not saying we should go back to Coughlan by the way, just that we should be looking for someone who knows how to get results in this league because it’s becoming a step up that catches some managers out, or at least, not someone who has proven in recent years that they don’t know how to get results in this league eg I’d take Duff over Tisdale personally.There’s more proof that Tisdale can get results in this league than Duff can considering he took Exeter to 8th in league one which is something that Rovers haven’t achieved in the 21st Century, I’m just putting it out there. Look I know what you mean, I’d like an experienced League One manager that has taken sides from this division up before whilst still meeting Wael’s criteria of being able to develop young players and actually play a nice style of football. Trouble is, there aren’t many that fill that. Perhaps the likes of Simon Grayson and Nigel Adkins, but I can’t see it though considering their recent spells haven’t exactly been great. I also don’t think we’ll be taking a manager from another club, it’s something that Rovers rarely do and with the finances like they are I can’t see us forking out on compensation for someone like Flynn or Duff who might not want to come anyway.
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Post by blueridge on Nov 17, 2020 15:22:09 GMT
Thought that was an excellent interview. Can't see an appointment anytime soon - and on that basis I reckon the Club will be going through a full interview process. Personally would still like Paul Cook who's been here and done it at this level.
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Post by poorblue on Nov 17, 2020 15:23:27 GMT
Fans are asking for a successful experienced manager at this level. The Club presumably want the same plus are seeking a manager with the same philosophy. If you take the number of clubs in the EFL there are 92 teams. If you take the last 10 years they have all had say an average of at least 3 managers ( some with many more). That's a bare minimum of 276 "experienced" managers out there to be appointed. How many of those have been successful? Of those who were successful how many of those were sacked for later being unsuccessful (DC is one). Can anyone quote me a manager who over the last 10 years that has not been sacked even after being a success? Nearly every experienced manager who has been sacked (successful or not) then becomes the saviour of the next club who takes him on until his sacking that is. Good pay for most of those who can get it though. IMO successful managers are those who work for monied clubs ( in relation to the division ) where managers have large squads so when signing wrong players they have enough money to discard them and play another better fit player. Many a good manager without money bites the dust whilst poor managers with money stay just a little bit longer when they spent the money unwisely. Where does the likes of Tisdale, DC and Lee Johnson fit into that scenario?
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 17, 2020 15:33:24 GMT
Since Martyn has spoken PT gone from 1/3 to 1/6 Paul Trollope?! I thought exactly the same o2. Paul Tisdale will have to be something else. Everyone knows who JW, DC, PT, GC and BG are. If Tisdale is appointed he’ll have to be PTs, until he gets us up to the Championship and then we’ll have to change them around because he’ll have earnt PT. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 17, 2020 15:50:13 GMT
I don’t think Tisdale would be a bad appointment at all if Starnes does choose to appoint him. It would be a represent a continuation of the philosophy of giving young players opportunities and playing a possession style of football but what Tisdale has over Garner is years and years of experience both as a player and a manager. You’ve only got to look at his CV at Exeter, back to back promotions, an 8th place finish in league one with a club quite a bit smaller than us, 4 playoff finishes, the likes of Ollie Watkins, Ethan Ampadu, Matt Grimes, Jordan Storey, George Friend, Tom Nichols all sold on for a tidy sums after he gave them a chance. People seem to be turning their noses up at him for his recent spell at MK Dons but even then he managed to get them promoted in his first season in charge. Yes, Paul Cook would be a good appointment but if you think he’s going to come to a lower mid table league one club after impressing as a manager in the championship then forget about it and other than him I’m not seeing too many other managers that fits what we want to achieve as well as Tisdale’s. He’s got a great record in the league below, but it sounds like in this division he’s ended up playing “backwards football” like Garner did, passing backwards and struggling to create chances. I think passing football merchants can end up tieing their own noose by being so wedded to their principles. Contrast that with Coughlan who banged the ball down the pitch and got shots on target, scored goals and won games. I’m not saying we should go back to Coughlan by the way, just that we should be looking for someone who knows how to get results in this league because it’s becoming a step up that catches some managers out, or at least, not someone who has proven in recent years that they don’t know how to get results in this league eg I’d take Duff over Tisdale personally. Whilst I understand questions over Tisdale, his record isn’t bad and his time at MKDons in League 1 was unlucky. Crippling injuries amongst his forwards did for him, and his owner did not have the patience that our owners have imo. But it’s a good point over Michael Duff and I’d add Matt Taylor from Exeter as an equally good candidate. Mind you 365, I’ve got to laugh at how you’ve described GCs time with us! We “banged the ball down the pitch and got shots on target, scored goals and won games.” I love it! But tbh it wasn’t really like that was it? 2nd half against Southend perhaps but most of the time it was attritional, hard football that avoided getting beat very often but had more draws than wins. 😉 And I know that you’re not advocating a return to GC, that’s always been clear! (With which I agree.) From Starnes’ interview it appears that it won’t be a quick appointment. Seeing what many are saying on here now and together with the SkyBet odds, in a weeks time I’m sure the expectation for Tisdale will be overwhelming. Not my favourite either but he is a good solid and reliable manager who will fit many of the attributes Starnes and Wael are looking for. UTG!
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 17, 2020 15:54:31 GMT
Thought that was an excellent interview. Can't see an appointment anytime soon - and on that basis I reckon the Club will be going through a full interview process. Personally would still like Paul Cook who's been here and done it at this level. Even if we could afford him would he be interested in a 3/5 year project, or want results i.e. promotion in a shorter time frame? I'm sensing if it's not Tisdale then it'll be a young manager like Flynn or Duff who's in no rush to get us promoted.
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Post by xenongas on Nov 17, 2020 16:01:43 GMT
It’s a no from me for Tisdale . Spent too long knocking round in the divisions below , his brief spells at this level haven’t been great. Just like DC he got found out when he moved up to this level I think Tisdale did as well. I’d be surprised if we pick him...... and I’m not often wrong 😉
When asked about Bristol Rovers, Tisdale said: "It’s a no from me for Rovers . Spent too long knocking round in the divisions below , their brief spells at this level haven’t been great. Just like Yeovil they got found out when they moved up to this level I think Rovers did as well."
Only joking around but my point is I don't think we're at the level of a Pompey or Sunderland in this division where a manager will be thinking they can return to the Championship within a season or two. We're an outside bet for playoffs hoping to shorten those odds over the coming seasons.
I don't have any strong opinions on the new face either way to be honest. Especially after the Starnes interview. There is every chance the one after this one will be the one pushing for the top places in League One. That isn't a lack of ambition from my point of view, just getting the system behind the scenes watertight and moving away from bringing in a messiah that might change everything and rocket us into Europe!
I like that the club have listened and are putting this sort of communication out. Like others have said, he didn't actually say anything particularly juicy but a prompt interview after a big decision makes the club seem a lot more open than previously.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Nov 17, 2020 16:04:32 GMT
Impressed with Martyn; personally, I would struggle to really disagree with anything he had to say. I am pleased to know we are at last looking to introduce a long term strategy, a Bristol Rovers DNA which any new manager will need to buy into. UTG
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 17, 2020 16:11:11 GMT
A relief that the poor performances were not missed/ignored by the people running the club. Let's hope they get the appointment rigt this time! I got the impression he was genuinely watered off with BG.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 17, 2020 16:13:04 GMT
A relief that the poor performances were not missed/ignored by the people running the club. Let's hope they get the appointment rigt this time! I got the impression he was genuinely watered off with BG. Then, he'll be in the majority...
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Post by Strange Gas on Nov 17, 2020 16:15:09 GMT
Reasons to be cheerful. Let’s get thefuck on with it please, seems very clear about what he wants, and certainly sits well with me 👍
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