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Post by Jomo on Nov 17, 2020 20:19:50 GMT
I echo the thoughts of so many others. Excellent interviews with both Starnes and T-Widds.
I'm feeling very confident for the next appointment and for the future of our club.
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Post by socrates on Nov 17, 2020 20:22:33 GMT
Great interview from Starnes imo. Really encouraging to hear that him and Wael have a plan, especially that it’s attacking football. I’d much rather we take our time as he says, find a manager who can work with this young well put together squad. Actually optimistic about this, lots of good names out there. Utg there was little attacking football in the last few weeks and is this a well put together squad? Dont think so, just one experienced striker, and 2 kids. 12 midfielders.11 defenders. You call this good? Its an abomination. No other club would have these sorts of figures. As for the squad in general. It is way too big Agreed. Yes we’ve got a fair few young players that will hopefully come good but with only 3 strikers of which one has a long term injury , 4 bloody left backs , no tough defensive midfielders , very few strong characters I’d say Garner has left us in a right mess. It might not take more than the next window to sort out but I’m certain our new manager whoever it may be will be looking forward to that window very much. A squad isn’t about having lots of young players with potential if it’s got no balance and no experience and no leaders it will be weak as we’ve seen.
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Post by lpgas1 on Nov 17, 2020 20:23:34 GMT
Quality ! this club needs people like Tommy Widdrington He said if they win, it will be difficult to get out of the team. A bit like Coughlin. If they play well they stay in the team. At last. common sense. meanwhile Walsall fans want DC sacked. they cannot understand him constantly changing the team, and playing players in the wrong positions
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 17, 2020 20:29:39 GMT
I’m love to see Starnes fight Hamer in a charity exhibition bout.
I think if Starnes could avoid the famous Hamer hammer he could outjab him to a points victory.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 17, 2020 21:06:55 GMT
there was little attacking football in the last few weeks and is this a well put together squad? Dont think so, just one experienced striker, and 2 kids. 12 midfielders.11 defenders. You call this good? Its an abomination. No other club would have these sorts of figures. As for the squad in general. It is way too big Agreed. Yes we’ve got a fair few young players that will hopefully come good but with only 3 strikers of which one has a long term injury , 4 bloody left backs , no tough defensive midfielders , very few strong characters I’d say Garner has left us in a right mess. It might not take more than the next window to sort out but I’m certain our new manager whoever it may be will be looking forward to that window very much. A squad isn’t about having lots of young players with potential if it’s got no balance and no experience and no leaders it will be weak as we’ve seen. Not sure it’s a right mess socrates. Just a squad which is unbalanced. We’ve gone from having few creative central midfielders last season and before to having too many central MFs now and not enough strikers. I think there’s a decent team there but BG wasn’t the right man to mould it into an effective team. The new manager, if he can get Grant to keep improving so that he can be that defensive midfielder and decide upon a system that suits the players could find some success. But you’re right about January, a striker is essential. UTG!
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 17, 2020 21:36:40 GMT
there was little attacking football in the last few weeks and is this a well put together squad? Dont think so, just one experienced striker, and 2 kids. 12 midfielders.11 defenders. You call this good? Its an abomination. No other club would have these sorts of figures. As for the squad in general. It is way too big Agreed. Yes we’ve got a fair few young players that will hopefully come good but with only 3 strikers of which one has a long term injury , 4 bloody left backs , no tough defensive midfielders , very few strong characters I’d say Garner has left us in a right mess. It might not take more than the next window to sort out but I’m certain our new manager whoever it may be will be looking forward to that window very much. A squad isn’t about having lots of young players with potential if it’s got no balance and no experience and no leaders it will be weak as we’ve seen. And what I should have added was, it was known that BG was an inexperienced manager who had struggled last season yet he was allowed, apparently to recruit players as if there was no tomorrow. The board obviously sanctioned all these incomings, perhaps there should have been someone talking to him about the need for certain players and for balance. So in a way the board have to take their share of the blame over the situation. I suspect that’s why Starnes sounded a bit p***** o** with Garner in the interview earlier today, he came across as if the boards patience had worn thin. I find it a bit strange after the season he had last time that there appeared to be little control over who he signed. He needed, we needed someone giving him advice about the size and balance needed in a squad. UTG!
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Post by james246 on Nov 17, 2020 21:43:21 GMT
there was little attacking football in the last few weeks and is this a well put together squad? Dont think so, just one experienced striker, and 2 kids. 12 midfielders.11 defenders. You call this good? Its an abomination. No other club would have these sorts of figures. As for the squad in general. It is way too big Agreed. Yes we’ve got a fair few young players that will hopefully come good but with only 3 strikers of which one has a long term injury , 4 bloody left backs , no tough defensive midfielders , very few strong characters I’d say Garner has left us in a right mess. It might not take more than the next window to sort out but I’m certain our new manager whoever it may be will be looking forward to that window very much. A squad isn’t about having lots of young players with potential if it’s got no balance and no experience and no leaders it will be weak as we’ve seen. Yes 4 left backs and only 3 strikers (two of whom had no league experience to speak of, the one with experience is a good player but not a poacher). The art of winning is to kick the ball into the net at least once more than the opposition, there was nothing about Ben's management that suggested he understood this.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 17, 2020 21:50:17 GMT
I echo the thoughts of so many others. Excellent interviews with both Starnes and T-Widds. I'm feeling very confident for the next appointment and for the future of our club. It feels like we have a strong idea and identity of what we want and what we are trying to do.
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 17, 2020 21:52:01 GMT
Agreed. Yes we’ve got a fair few young players that will hopefully come good but with only 3 strikers of which one has a long term injury , 4 bloody left backs , no tough defensive midfielders , very few strong characters I’d say Garner has left us in a right mess. It might not take more than the next window to sort out but I’m certain our new manager whoever it may be will be looking forward to that window very much. A squad isn’t about having lots of young players with potential if it’s got no balance and no experience and no leaders it will be weak as we’ve seen. Yes 4 left backs and only 3 strikers (two of whom had no league experience to speak of, the one with experience is a good player but not a poacher). The art of winning is to kick the ball into the net at least once more than the opposition, there was nothing about Ben's management that suggested he understood this. not garners biggest fan but how was he allowed to have a unbalanced squad if widdrington plays a pivotal role in the recruitment of players?would he not have noticed the imbalance
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Nov 17, 2020 22:21:49 GMT
I’m love to see Starnes fight Hamer in a charity exhibition bout. I think if Starnes could avoid the famous Hamer hammer he could outjab him to a points victory. They’d waffle each other senseless before the fighting even began.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 22:40:05 GMT
He’s got a great record in the league below, but it sounds like in this division he’s ended up playing “backwards football” like Garner did, passing backwards and struggling to create chances. I think passing football merchants can end up tieing their own noose by being so wedded to their principles. Contrast that with Coughlan who banged the ball down the pitch and got shots on target, scored goals and won games. I’m not saying we should go back to Coughlan by the way, just that we should be looking for someone who knows how to get results in this league because it’s becoming a step up that catches some managers out, or at least, not someone who has proven in recent years that they don’t know how to get results in this league eg I’d take Duff over Tisdale personally. Whilst I understand questions over Tisdale, his record isn’t bad and his time at MKDons in League 1 was unlucky. Crippling injuries amongst his forwards did for him, and his owner did not have the patience that our owners have imo. But it’s a good point over Michael Duff and I’d add Matt Taylor from Exeter as an equally good candidate. Mind you 365, I’ve got to laugh at how you’ve described GCs time with us! We “banged the ball down the pitch and got shots on target, scored goals and won games.” I love it! But tbh it wasn’t really like that was it? 2nd half against Southend perhaps but most of the time it was attritional, hard football that avoided getting beat very often but had more draws than wins. 😉 And I know that you’re not advocating a return to GC, that’s always been clear! (With which I agree.) From Starnes’ interview it appears that it won’t be a quick appointment. Seeing what many are saying on here now and together with the SkyBet odds, in a weeks time I’m sure the expectation for Tisdale will be overwhelming. Not my favourite either but he is a good solid and reliable manager who will fit many of the attributes Starnes and Wael are looking for. UTG! Well, I’ve seen it mentioned on here that GC’s hallmark was shots. To be fair long ball football if done well will give you shots because you’re trading guaranteed possession in your own half for the possibility of possession in the opponents final third, you need to capitalise on what you get by winning the ball and then trying to get something from it. It seems to make sense that for a team who are good at winning high balls up the pitch a large number of shots on goal is a natural by product. It’s interesting the complete contrast in approach and the results that stemmed from that. In fact whilst I thought Coughlan was building on sand I think I’d rather have a good long ball merchant than a poor passing football man because as Garner and plenty of other new managers with big ideas have proven just passing the ball around your defence is NOT good football and if you can’t progress up the pitch you’ll struggle to even create chances. I really hope the new guy knows how to coach our players to go forward and that’s why I’m sceptical of Tisdale, based on Mk dons and the fact he’s only had one good season out of three with Exeter at this level. If we got relegated I’d be happier with Tisdale in league two.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 22:42:36 GMT
there was little attacking football in the last few weeks and is this a well put together squad? Dont think so, just one experienced striker, and 2 kids. 12 midfielders.11 defenders. You call this good? Its an abomination. No other club would have these sorts of figures. As for the squad in general. It is way too big Agreed. Yes we’ve got a fair few young players that will hopefully come good but with only 3 strikers of which one has a long term injury , 4 bloody left backs , no tough defensive midfielders , very few strong characters I’d say Garner has left us in a right mess. It might not take more than the next window to sort out but I’m certain our new manager whoever it may be will be looking forward to that window very much. A squad isn’t about having lots of young players with potential if it’s got no balance and no experience and no leaders it will be weak as we’ve seen. Widdrington is not blameless in that which is why it interested me that he was talking with assuredness that it’s the right set of players. He’s very confident in the recruitment and that it was all Garner’s fault it seems. Imo we’ve got a massively unbalanced squad (without even debating whether the players are good enough) and I think both Garner and Widdrington have to hold their hands up to it that we’ve got so few attacking options most of which also lack league experience.
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Post by yattongas on Nov 17, 2020 23:26:24 GMT
Agreed. Yes we’ve got a fair few young players that will hopefully come good but with only 3 strikers of which one has a long term injury , 4 bloody left backs , no tough defensive midfielders , very few strong characters I’d say Garner has left us in a right mess. It might not take more than the next window to sort out but I’m certain our new manager whoever it may be will be looking forward to that window very much. A squad isn’t about having lots of young players with potential if it’s got no balance and no experience and no leaders it will be weak as we’ve seen. Widdrington is not blameless in that which is why it interested me that he was talking with assuredness that it’s the right set of players. He’s very confident in the recruitment and that it was all Garner’s fault it seems. Imo we’ve got a massively unbalanced squad (without even debating whether the players are good enough) and I think both Garner and Widdrington have to hold their hands up to it that we’ve got so few attacking options most of which also lack league experience. We’re def a striker short of what we need , an experienced striker .
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2020 23:37:56 GMT
Widdrington is not blameless in that which is why it interested me that he was talking with assuredness that it’s the right set of players. He’s very confident in the recruitment and that it was all Garner’s fault it seems. Imo we’ve got a massively unbalanced squad (without even debating whether the players are good enough) and I think both Garner and Widdrington have to hold their hands up to it that we’ve got so few attacking options most of which also lack league experience. We’re def a striker short of what we need , an experienced striker . It’s so breathtakingly obvious that it’s frustrating as hell. Even worse that we sold JCH nice and early so we knew we had this problem with quite a long time to do something about it. I’m not sure the budget needed to go on so many midfielders and wing backs either. What we were trying to achieve in the transfer market after getting some ball playing centre backs in I don’t really know. For me it will be interesting to see what the new guy does with all these players when he comes in.
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Post by olskooltoteender on Nov 18, 2020 2:18:24 GMT
I thought exactly the same o2. Paul Tisdale will have to be something else. Everyone knows who JW, DC, PT, GC and BG are. If Tisdale is appointed he’ll have to be PTs, until he gets us up to the Championship and then we’ll have to change them around because he’ll have earnt PT. UTG! Nah - he can be “Yer Tis” - doesn’t get much more Bristolian than that . . .
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Post by olskooltoteender on Nov 18, 2020 3:05:34 GMT
Great I/V from MS - I think it bears out what I’ve said on other threads that this project, this vision for the clubs future, was never Garners invention - it’s down to Wael & MS and in Garner they’ve tried to find a manager who will buy into that and bring it to fruition on the pitch - unfortunately Garner wasn’t up to the job so they’ve acted decisively and are now looking for another manager to make the vision reality and help us move forward. It’s not very Rovers, but that’s got to be a good thing in these current times . . UTG
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Post by Qatar Gas on Nov 18, 2020 4:58:41 GMT
Starnes mentioned about wanting to keep the same backroom staff and that a new manager would have to work with them. Could this rule out some of the bigger names? If we were trying to tempt them you would think they would want full control over brining in their assistants etc.
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Post by bluebiro on Nov 18, 2020 7:25:06 GMT
Maybe widdrington was the one who pushed for garner to be manager and convinced wael to take the punt on him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2020 8:50:18 GMT
A very decent honest assessment from the Chairman.
Feel positive that we have a plan for the future of the Club .... vital they get this next appointment right and sense they just might.
I got the feeling MS feels we might have too many youngsters at the moment so will be interesting how the new man redresses the balance. Thinking we will see some January movement in and out for sure.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 18, 2020 9:06:10 GMT
RE lack of defensive midfielders, may be Abs will come back into the fold?
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