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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 5, 2020 19:48:05 GMT
Holy mother of Mary. What a right back we’ve signed.
He looked brilliant in that position. Such good link up play.
He’s a really skilful footballer. Very smart move by PT, he seems much better there than in the middle. He’s wasted as a centre back on that performance. Handy for the defence to have a tall additional defender on the flanks. Although based on their 2nd of goal we have a way to go in defending set pieces
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Post by markczgas on Dec 5, 2020 20:12:25 GMT
Holy mother of Mary. What a right back we’ve signed. He looked brilliant in that position. Such good link up play. He’s a really skilful footballer. Very smart move by PT, he seems much better there than in the middle. He’s wasted as a centre back on that performance. Handy for the defence to have a tall additional defender on the flanks. Although based on their 2nd of goal we have a way to go in defending set pieces Agree completely, but this is one game and today Wimb did not have a player on the left at all today. If we come across a different team with a skilful, pacy merchant down his flank it might be a different story as Ehmer isn't blessed with pace. Anyways, I'd keep him there for now, but would prefer to see a specialist playing there -i.e a fit Mark Little - he was looking very good at the start of the season and then another injury.
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Dec 6, 2020 15:28:35 GMT
Post by cj on Dec 6, 2020 15:28:35 GMT
If we are playing 442 now, Our RB choices will be: Hare, who hasn't been himself so far this. Great goal vs Darlo though. Little, not sure how long he is out for. Kilgour, much better in the middle of the defence. Rodman, not sure how long he is out for. Now we have Ehmer, who was really impressive yesterday.
I would carry on using Ehmer at RB for now. Use Hare for the Orient game.
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Dec 6, 2020 15:35:27 GMT
Post by axegas on Dec 6, 2020 15:35:27 GMT
The only problem with Ehmer playing at RB, is what centre back partnership are we going to play in the middle? I know Ehmer may not have had the best of starts to his Rovers career but the fact remains he’s our most experienced and reliable centre back.
I’m not too enthused about a Kilgour-Baldwin or Harries-Baldwin centre back pairing if I’m honest, even with the impressive performance yesterday, we still managed to leave a man unmarked to score from a free kick. We can’t rely on the attack to score 4 every game.
I’m hoping Little can come back from injury fairly soon, he seems to be our best RB from a defensive point of view.
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Dec 6, 2020 15:53:44 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 15:53:44 GMT
For me, it’s observations like this that illustrate why Garner had to go, Tisdale’s experience allows him to Identify the optimum use of the tools available.
But as a PP said, there has to naturally be some caution exercised as so far this squad has had far more bad games than good and we need to see him tested against some of the more capable wingers in this division.
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Dec 6, 2020 16:14:04 GMT
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Post by socrates on Dec 6, 2020 16:14:04 GMT
Holy mother of Mary. What a right back we’ve signed. He looked brilliant in that position. Such good link up play. He’s a really skilful footballer. Very smart move by PT, he seems much better there than in the middle. He’s wasted as a centre back on that performance. Handy for the defence to have a tall additional defender on the flanks. Although based on their 2nd of goal we have a way to go in defending set pieces Agree completely, but this is one game and today Wimb did not have a player on the left at all today. If we come across a different team with a skilful, pacy merchant down his flank it might be a different story as Ehmer isn't blessed with pace. Anyways, I'd keep him there for now, but would prefer to see a specialist playing there -i.e a fit Mark Little - he was looking very good at the start of the season and then another injury. The thing with little is he’s been injured more than fit and although the likes of him , rodman and Davies are good players I think we should probably look to offload them at the nearest opportunity because there’s no point in having these good players if they only play a handful of games a season.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 17:39:53 GMT
Way too premature to consider Ehmer a long term solution at right back. Btw, PT is playing four at the back but why does anyone think we are playing a 4-4-2 formation?
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Dec 6, 2020 18:30:03 GMT
Post by lpgas1 on Dec 6, 2020 18:30:03 GMT
Way too premature to consider Ehmer a long term solution at right back. Btw, PT is playing four at the back but why does anyone think we are playing a 4-4-2 formation? When things are going wrong, always revert to the default position. Personally I think it suits us. Players are simple folk and the talk of 3,1,2,3,1, and some such things obviously hard to understand for them
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 19:37:53 GMT
Way too premature to consider Ehmer a long term solution at right back. Btw, PT is playing four at the back but why does anyone think we are playing a 4-4-2 formation? When things are going wrong, always revert to the default position. Personally I think it suits us. Players are simple folk and the talk of 3,1,2,3,1, and some such things obviously hard to understand for them Not suggesting we play one formation or the other - it just looked 4-2-3-1 to me with Hanlan on his own so puzzled why a few people are suggesting we’ve been playing a 4-4-2. It’s interesting that those of a certain age view a conventional 4-4-2 (2 centre mid, 2 wingers, 2 strikers) as ‘tried and trusted’ etc but I wonder how many of the players under say 25 will have played that formation much as they come through the various academies?
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Dec 6, 2020 19:46:40 GMT
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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 6, 2020 19:46:40 GMT
When things are going wrong, always revert to the default position. Personally I think it suits us. Players are simple folk and the talk of 3,1,2,3,1, and some such things obviously hard to understand for them Not suggesting we play one formation or the other - it just looked 4-2-3-1 to me with Hanlan on his own so puzzled why a few people are suggesting we’ve been playing a 4-4-2. It’s interesting that those of a certain age view a conventional 4-4-2 (2 centre mid, 2 wingers, 2 strikers) as ‘tried and trusted’ etc but I wonder how many of the players under say 25 will have played that formation much as they come through the various academies? 442 is sooo 90s. It’s easily countered and football has evolved past it, just like it evolved past sweepers and 5 forwards A little overstated. 442 can be successful, but it needs some really specialised players. Mainly, 2 very specific centre mids who are good enough to beat 3 people. 2 specialised wingers who can beat people. A large forward or preferably 2 who can attack crosses. Most teams don’t possess 2 amazing centre mids with endless energy. Capello tried his 442 and it was so clear why it’s outdated. Straight lines, predictable. I know this is league 1. I would welcome us playing it in certain games. The main difference is you have 4 wide players 2 on each side, versus most other formations have one, with their strikers drifting out to support, or midfielders. If we were playing a team with very weak and slow wing players, and were a goal behind, why not? I just don’t think getting championship football at BRFC is going to come via 442.
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Dec 6, 2020 21:36:45 GMT
Post by hardingegas on Dec 6, 2020 21:36:45 GMT
Unfortunately, Little is fast becoming the new THD - I don't think we'll be seeing much of him in the near future.
Would it be worth giving young Hoole a game against Orient or would Hargreaves be worth a try in that position just to give him game time?
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Dec 7, 2020 0:11:56 GMT
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Post by socrates on Dec 7, 2020 0:11:56 GMT
When things are going wrong, always revert to the default position. Personally I think it suits us. Players are simple folk and the talk of 3,1,2,3,1, and some such things obviously hard to understand for them Not suggesting we play one formation or the other - it just looked 4-2-3-1 to me with Hanlan on his own so puzzled why a few people are suggesting we’ve been playing a 4-4-2. It’s interesting that those of a certain age view a conventional 4-4-2 (2 centre mid, 2 wingers, 2 strikers) as ‘tried and trusted’ etc but I wonder how many of the players under say 25 will have played that formation much as they come through the various academies? It was 4-2-3-1
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Dec 7, 2020 0:47:20 GMT
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 7, 2020 0:47:20 GMT
Not suggesting we play one formation or the other - it just looked 4-2-3-1 to me with Hanlan on his own so puzzled why a few people are suggesting we’ve been playing a 4-4-2. It’s interesting that those of a certain age view a conventional 4-4-2 (2 centre mid, 2 wingers, 2 strikers) as ‘tried and trusted’ etc but I wonder how many of the players under say 25 will have played that formation much as they come through the various academies? It was 4-2-3-1 Looked like 442 diamond to me: ibb.co/2kccHNKThat average player positions map shows a very clear: _________Upson Westbrooke____Grant ________Oztumer ____Hanlan____Nicholson
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Dec 7, 2020 5:33:39 GMT
Post by Qatar Gas on Dec 7, 2020 5:33:39 GMT
If we are playing 442 now, Our RB choices will be: Hare, who hasn't been himself so far this. Great goal vs Darlo though. Little, not sure how long he is out for. Kilgour, much better in the middle of the defence. Rodman, not sure how long he is out for. Now we have Ehmer, who was really impressive yesterday. I would carry on using Ehmer at RB for now. Use Hare for the Orient game. We have players who are better suited to play as a full back or a wing back. Hare is better as a wing back than full back. Rodman can fill in as a wing back, he would be wasted as a full back. Little is probably our best natural full back when fit. He did play well first couple of games of the season before getting injured. Therefore, I would keep Ehmer there for now. Despite the set piece goal, that was probably Kilgours best performance this season so hopefully he will get somewhere back to his form of last season.
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Dec 7, 2020 18:30:39 GMT
Post by wilmslowgas on Dec 7, 2020 18:30:39 GMT
Ehmer had a good game at full back no doubt. But it would be wise to see him in that position for a number of games before passing judgement. For example, how will he deal with a tricky or fast winger? I feel the best right back at the club is Little. I wish we could get him fit because he knows that position inside out and has played there regularly at a higher level.
My ideal centre half pairing would be a pick from Ehmer, Kilgour and Davies. Sadly, all three have suffered to date from fitness issues or chronic loss of form. However, if just two of them could get their act together we could see the beginning of a really solid central defence.
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