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Post by oasisgas on Dec 13, 2020 8:03:22 GMT
Since PT has come in there you can see that every player now has a clearer idea on their duty but for me the one player who has been crucial to this and has and will benefit from the new managers tactical approach is Ed Upson.
I only went to one game last season which was Coventry at home in the FA cup so I kinda went with a fresh view on the players playing that day.
What I couldn’t understand was that for me Upson was having a very good game but alot of the fans were moaning about him around me saying “thats all he does” which was what he was doing that day and playing short simple balls.
You don’t need to be playing 30 yard defence splitting passes which 9 times out of 10 will never come off, what he does and is crucial is he keeps things simple and ticking over nicely.
Hopefully he get his customary 25 yard screamer on Tuesday 🤞
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 13, 2020 8:17:10 GMT
Since PT has come in there you can see that every player now has a clearer idea on their duty but for me the one player who has been crucial to this and has and will benefit from the new managers tactical approach is Ed Upson. I only went to one game last season which was Coventry at home in the FA cup so I kinda went with a fresh view on the players playing that day. What I couldn’t understand was that for me Upson was having a very good game but alot of the fans were moaning about him around me saying “thats all he does” which was what he was doing that day and playing short simple balls. You don’t need to be playing 30 yard defence splitting passes which 9 times out of 10 will never come off, what he does and is crucial is he keeps things simple and ticking over nicely. Hopefully he get his customary 25 yard screamer on Tuesday 🤞 He and Barrett were I think being forced out by Ben, completely different player under paul, paul always has a few experienced players in his team so it has given him new purpose and looks do much better.
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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 13, 2020 8:18:45 GMT
Genuinely think some of Upsons issues are, being an older player, he needs a little run in the team to get fit enough. He said it himself, his first few games this year were poor as he was getting match sharp. He’s clearly as sharp as a razor now and playing better than I’ve ever seen him.
I have to say I was in the “Upson out” camp but boy what a player we have, happy to be proven wrong. Like JVS. I love it when players shove our words up our backsides and that’s exactly what both have done.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2020 9:36:13 GMT
Ed was great yesterday. Some very composed passing and kept it flowing. Plymouth’s mistake was giving him far too much space. Charlton will have that at the top of their notes. Pleased for you Ed, keep up the good work.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 13, 2020 9:59:38 GMT
Been really impressed with Ed since Tis has rehabilitated his Rovers career.
I definitely was one of those who thought he would just be slowly phased out of the squad this season & then quietly leave in the summer. But the bloke’s been fantastic, especially in the last two games, and the whole midfield looks more assured & composed with his experience sat at the base of it.
I think he’s the sort of player who’s naturally going to really benefit from the more energetic & forward-thinking team that Tis has put together - he’s never going to have the legs to run away from people so he needs lots of options & movement around him when he gets the ball, and he has that now.
Someone like Nicholson or Oztumer can get the ball and slalom away from 2 or 3 players and in a way, it doesn’t really matter what all their teammates are doing in that moment. But someone like Ed is much more reliant upon how the rest of the team is functioning for him to be able to shine.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Dec 13, 2020 10:05:29 GMT
Tutonda not favoured it would seem but he was real class v Lincoln.Great to have competition -even in goal!!!!
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Post by gulfofaden on Dec 13, 2020 10:36:16 GMT
Tutonda not favoured it would seem but he was real class v Lincoln.Great to have competition -even in goal!!!! I thought he was excellent too but just seemed to get worse as the season progressed. He was my favourite of the new players at the start. A bit weak defensively but more of a “run at them” type wing back than Leahy (who by the way I am realising is in the team as like Hare, his passing is excellent. Seems a new fashion. Wing backs who can long pass really well. Given most wing backs tend to end up playing a ball down the channel when we can’t go through the middle, it’s actually a really good idea. Hanlan gets quite good service from Leahy. Tutonda I imagine will have his time. I’d want DT on in a game we are losing. More likely to make a clanger than LL but def more likely to get in behind or beat someone
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Post by hardingegas on Dec 13, 2020 12:57:43 GMT
Must admit I thought Upson's legs had gone and we needed a replacement this season. Trouble is Garner was obsessed with youth so when he was out of the team at the start of the season it cost us points.
Tisdale is more savvy, knowing you need a blend of experience and young legs, and it's given Upson a new lease of to recycle the ball to the playmakers in the team.
Interesting he mentions getting match fit with more game time which we seem to forget when it comes to the older players.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 13, 2020 13:57:31 GMT
Since PT has come in there you can see that every player now has a clearer idea on their duty but for me the one player who has been crucial to this and has and will benefit from the new managers tactical approach is Ed Upson. I only went to one game last season which was Coventry at home in the FA cup so I kinda went with a fresh view on the players playing that day. What I couldn’t understand was that for me Upson was having a very good game but alot of the fans were moaning about him around me saying “thats all he does” which was what he was doing that day and playing short simple balls. You don’t need to be playing 30 yard defence splitting passes which 9 times out of 10 will never come off, what he does and is crucial is he keeps things simple and ticking over nicely. Hopefully he get his customary 25 yard screamer on Tuesday 🤞 He and Barrett were I think being forced out by Ben, completely different player under paul, paul always has a few experienced players in his team so it has given him new purpose and looks do much better. Plus Hargreaves and Kilgour had been sidelined, which was particularly odd given that BG was supposed to be developing our own young players. Leahy was also another experienced pro apparently on the way out, you do wonder if BG had a clue how to manager a football club.
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 13, 2020 14:01:10 GMT
He and Barrett were I think being forced out by Ben, completely different player under paul, paul always has a few experienced players in his team so it has given him new purpose and looks do much better. Plus Hargreaves and Kilgour had been sidelined, which was particularly odd given that BG was supposed to be developing our own young players. Leahy was also another experienced pro apparently on the way out, you do wonder if BG had a clue how to manager a football club. Someone told me Ben told Alfie he was not a centre half if it ain't that he certainly is not anything else, odd comment. Would have thought he would have loved Alfie and Cam but maybe wanted to develop his own signings or get another 2 left backs in.😂
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Post by rememberhalifax on Dec 13, 2020 16:17:50 GMT
Seems a bit of a Marmite character does Ed , your either for or against. Think some of the criticism has been unfair. Does not seem to be allowed 5 and 6 out of 10 games like say a Lines would be ,has to be 7 and 8s or get rid! i think we do need his experience in amongst the young guns, as aside note hope Tutonda is not discarded, has a lot to offer going forward and would be a shame if he got disheartened.
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Post by bluegas on Dec 13, 2020 17:28:08 GMT
Someone told me Ben told Alfie he was not a centre half if it ain't that he certainly is not anything else, odd comment. Would have thought he would have loved Alfie and Cam but maybe wanted to develop his own signings or get another 2 left backs in.😂 Reminiscent of one Martin Dobson who pushed a young Steve Yates into midfield.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Dec 13, 2020 19:50:46 GMT
Someone told me Ben told Alfie he was not a centre half if it ain't that he certainly is not anything else, odd comment. Would have thought he would have loved Alfie and Cam but maybe wanted to develop his own signings or get another 2 left backs in.😂 Reminiscent of one Martin Dobson who pushed a young Steve Yates into midfield. Kilgour most definitely is a centre back. He's still young and will benefit from playing alongside more experienced confident players. As he did with Tony Craig. Kilgour's few appearances at full back clearly showed that he is not equipped for that position.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Dec 14, 2020 9:43:52 GMT
This time last year, EU was one of the candidates for player of the season (certainly by our markings in the player rating thread) and was scoring the odd goal here and there.
When he was DC first signing in his doomed last season, I couldn't see why we were signing a relegated player.
Now I can see he can be pivotal. Well done EU for finding his form again under PT, and I hope it continues.... he's like the oil in the engine room.
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Post by gassa on Dec 14, 2020 9:44:10 GMT
Always thought that Ed Upson was an honest, hard-working midfielder. Nothing fancy but loads of running, making himself available and picking up passes to move on. I like him.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 14, 2020 12:35:09 GMT
Ed Upson is a good footballer on his day. I dont disagree that he isn't. But his problem has always been consistency. He's not a player you know and can rely that he will turn up and give 100%, every game, week in, week out particularly when the going gets tough. I know players aren't going to perform well every game, form is always temporary, but you come to know what to expect from certain players by watching them and when I see Upson on the team sheet, I always wonder which one will turn up. The one capable of linking a midfield, with a range of passing who is able to break up play as well as move it forward or the one who will be weak in a tackle, over run, outclassed with a poor touch and no vision beyond 10 yards to either side.
Upson tends to have 5 MOM games per year, 5 other good games and the others I would say are below par or bordering useless. If he could switch the percentage to being 70% effective in 2 areas of his all round game every game, eg, the Upson that took Yeovil to the championship, then he would be a great midfielder.
The problem is, when you play the role he does in the team, consistency has to be the one strong point of your game.
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Post by chewbacca on Dec 14, 2020 12:57:43 GMT
Upson will always split supporters with his approach because it comes across as a little languid when in reality he probably covers as much ground as anyone. He reminds me in a way of Chris Lines who polarised in his first stint at the club.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Dec 14, 2020 14:52:34 GMT
One key attribute of a defensive midfielder is reliability. These players are unsung heroes and give steady performances every game. They are the sort of players often unnoticed by the fans but absolutely treasured by teammates.
At his best, Upson plays this role perfectly. Sadly, imo he doesn't play at that level nearly often enough.
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