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Post by Gas-Ed on Dec 22, 2020 23:49:54 GMT
Ipswich boss Paul Lambert says the scarcity of Covid-19 testing in the EFL is "putting people's lives at risk" after he tested positive for the virus. Lambert is one of eight people at the club to have had a positive Covid test. The EFL has competition-wide testing at different times throughout the season with the next round scheduled for the week commencing 4 January. "It's the protocols that have worried me more than anything else," Lambert told BBC Sport. "I think you're putting people's lives at risk by not getting them tested regularly. It's been shocking. "I know friends in Bundesliga 3, which is the equivalent of League One, and they've been tested over 50 times since they've been back in pre-season. "Without our owner, who has paid for two out of his own pocket, we'd have been down to about six testings which is nowhere near enough." www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55413489——————— This sounds very worrying indeed. How can football be deemed as safe when players from all over the country are mixing week in week out? I thought testing would be done weekly, but clearly not.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 23, 2020 7:54:18 GMT
How many fit professional sportsmen have died from COVID, probably none, it's ludicrous to say lives are being put at risk.
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Post by teanbiscuits on Dec 23, 2020 7:58:07 GMT
How many fit professional sportsmen have died from COVID, probably none, it's ludicrous to say lives are being put at risk. Most people in football have families to go home to.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 8:17:31 GMT
How many fit professional sportsmen have died from COVID, probably none, it's ludicrous to say lives are being put at risk. Most people in football have families to go home to. Exactly. It’s the transmission risk, not the personal risk.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 8:19:48 GMT
How many fit professional sportsmen have died from COVID, probably none, it's ludicrous to say lives are being put at risk. Your post is "ludicrous". It's not just about the footballers, it's about anyone they come into contact with. The thought that the players and staff stay in their own bubble is ludicrous, they quite obviously come into contact with their families, people at grounds, hotels they visit etc etc. Like gasEd I am astounded that regular testing does not take place and its no wonder what is happening now at clubs up and down the country.
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Post by pudseygas on Dec 23, 2020 8:35:31 GMT
How many fit professional sportsmen have died from COVID, probably none, it's ludicrous to say lives are being put at risk. What a stupid post 😳
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Post by thegasman on Dec 23, 2020 9:02:50 GMT
www.itfc.co.uk/news/2020/december/new-covid-strain-hits-ipswich/New strain behind Town Covid cases as speed of transmission causes EFL alarm, with Club physio backing a football circuit breaker Town physio, Matt Byard, anticipates there will be more positive Covid-19 tests in the squad this week and has confirmed it’s the new variant strain that has hit Portman Road. The Club’s general manager of football operations, Lee O’Neill, is the latest to test positive for the virus, joining manager Paul Lambert and five players who are all in self-isolation. The training ground has been closed and players and staff told to stay away from the Club. Portsmouth, Peterborough and Sunderland have also reported positive cases over the last few days but it’s the outbreak at Town that has caused extra concern at the EFL. “In previous cases at clubs, the confirmatory source can normally be isolated down to a coach journey or a lengthy meeting indoors. We however, have had the same protocols in place since we started pre-season training,” Matt told the Club website. “The players are still arriving to training in kit, training and then going straight home. No showers are in use, no canteen where they eat communally. If you consider a staged return to normal behaviour at the training ground in five phases, then we are at the beginning of phase two. “We have only had two cases here in nine months [Kayden Jackson and Matt Gill] so to get seven in one week is alarming. “ I have looked at every avenue and the only scenario for transmission has to be our match against Burton last week and because it seems to have been passed on in a matchday environment, it is confirmation of a new development. We still have stringent protocols in place in terms of use of the dressing-rooms, I might add. “We are doing things the right way. We always have done. Players and staff deserve a great deal of credit as they adhere routinely to the guidelines and the new way of operating. This has been thoroughly supported by senior staff and executives. It would have been very easy to allow players and staff to change in the building and have showers, especially given the change in weather. Our adherence to guidelines is still likely to have reduced potential transmission risk, even under these circumstances. “This new strain of the virus clearly transmits far quicker than the original Covid strain and we have the data and symptom profile that confirms that is what we are dealing with here. “We have tested all the playing and coaching staff and from the results, we can detect the level of infection and see the patterns emerging, however it’s the speed of the transmission that tells us it’s the new strain. “We will be re-testing all the staff on Wednesday who have previously tested negative and I do have concerns that there will be more positive cases. It’s important to recognise the timing of testing is absolutely crucial in determining the diagnosis. A wrongly timed test can very likely produce a false result. We have to very closely determine potential transmission risks and consider the period of incubation before becoming infectious. “We have been complimented by the EFL for the procedures we have had in place at the training ground and on matchday - and that is one of the reasons they have become very concerned over the latest developments. “I know the EFL are looking at bringing in extra measures, with maybe more testing for example. I have always supported routine testing to secure a return to playing programme. Personally, with so many clubs affected by this presently and this new strain development, football may benefit from a ‘circuit breaker’ before a return to playing securely.” First time I've seen this put forward, could spell disaster if found to be the case.
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Post by LJG on Dec 23, 2020 9:09:07 GMT
www.itfc.co.uk/news/2020/december/new-covid-strain-hits-ipswich/New strain behind Town Covid cases as speed of transmission causes EFL alarm, with Club physio backing a football circuit breaker Town physio, Matt Byard, anticipates there will be more positive Covid-19 tests in the squad this week and has confirmed it’s the new variant strain that has hit Portman Road. The Club’s general manager of football operations, Lee O’Neill, is the latest to test positive for the virus, joining manager Paul Lambert and five players who are all in self-isolation. The training ground has been closed and players and staff told to stay away from the Club. Portsmouth, Peterborough and Sunderland have also reported positive cases over the last few days but it’s the outbreak at Town that has caused extra concern at the EFL. “In previous cases at clubs, the confirmatory source can normally be isolated down to a coach journey or a lengthy meeting indoors. We however, have had the same protocols in place since we started pre-season training,” Matt told the Club website. “The players are still arriving to training in kit, training and then going straight home. No showers are in use, no canteen where they eat communally. If you consider a staged return to normal behaviour at the training ground in five phases, then we are at the beginning of phase two. “We have only had two cases here in nine months [Kayden Jackson and Matt Gill] so to get seven in one week is alarming. “ I have looked at every avenue and the only scenario for transmission has to be our match against Burton last week and because it seems to have been passed on in a matchday environment, it is confirmation of a new development. We still have stringent protocols in place in terms of use of the dressing-rooms, I might add. “We are doing things the right way. We always have done. Players and staff deserve a great deal of credit as they adhere routinely to the guidelines and the new way of operating. This has been thoroughly supported by senior staff and executives. It would have been very easy to allow players and staff to change in the building and have showers, especially given the change in weather. Our adherence to guidelines is still likely to have reduced potential transmission risk, even under these circumstances. “This new strain of the virus clearly transmits far quicker than the original Covid strain and we have the data and symptom profile that confirms that is what we are dealing with here. “We have tested all the playing and coaching staff and from the results, we can detect the level of infection and see the patterns emerging, however it’s the speed of the transmission that tells us it’s the new strain. “We will be re-testing all the staff on Wednesday who have previously tested negative and I do have concerns that there will be more positive cases. It’s important to recognise the timing of testing is absolutely crucial in determining the diagnosis. A wrongly timed test can very likely produce a false result. We have to very closely determine potential transmission risks and consider the period of incubation before becoming infectious. “We have been complimented by the EFL for the procedures we have had in place at the training ground and on matchday - and that is one of the reasons they have become very concerned over the latest developments. “I know the EFL are looking at bringing in extra measures, with maybe more testing for example. I have always supported routine testing to secure a return to playing programme. Personally, with so many clubs affected by this presently and this new strain development, football may benefit from a ‘circuit breaker’ before a return to playing securely.” First time I've seen this put forward, could spell disaster if found to be the case. What an absurd thing for him to say. Haven't we just explored in this thread hiw footballers have families and don't stay in a bubble as a team?
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Post by Charlton Hayes Gas on Dec 23, 2020 9:12:29 GMT
www.itfc.co.uk/news/2020/december/new-covid-strain-hits-ipswich/New strain behind Town Covid cases as speed of transmission causes EFL alarm, with Club physio backing a football circuit breaker Town physio, Matt Byard, anticipates there will be more positive Covid-19 tests in the squad this week and has confirmed it’s the new variant strain that has hit Portman Road. The Club’s general manager of football operations, Lee O’Neill, is the latest to test positive for the virus, joining manager Paul Lambert and five players who are all in self-isolation. The training ground has been closed and players and staff told to stay away from the Club. Portsmouth, Peterborough and Sunderland have also reported positive cases over the last few days but it’s the outbreak at Town that has caused extra concern at the EFL. “In previous cases at clubs, the confirmatory source can normally be isolated down to a coach journey or a lengthy meeting indoors. We however, have had the same protocols in place since we started pre-season training,” Matt told the Club website. “The players are still arriving to training in kit, training and then going straight home. No showers are in use, no canteen where they eat communally. If you consider a staged return to normal behaviour at the training ground in five phases, then we are at the beginning of phase two. “We have only had two cases here in nine months [Kayden Jackson and Matt Gill] so to get seven in one week is alarming. “ I have looked at every avenue and the only scenario for transmission has to be our match against Burton last week and because it seems to have been passed on in a matchday environment, it is confirmation of a new development. We still have stringent protocols in place in terms of use of the dressing-rooms, I might add. “We are doing things the right way. We always have done. Players and staff deserve a great deal of credit as they adhere routinely to the guidelines and the new way of operating. This has been thoroughly supported by senior staff and executives. It would have been very easy to allow players and staff to change in the building and have showers, especially given the change in weather. Our adherence to guidelines is still likely to have reduced potential transmission risk, even under these circumstances. “This new strain of the virus clearly transmits far quicker than the original Covid strain and we have the data and symptom profile that confirms that is what we are dealing with here. “We have tested all the playing and coaching staff and from the results, we can detect the level of infection and see the patterns emerging, however it’s the speed of the transmission that tells us it’s the new strain. “We will be re-testing all the staff on Wednesday who have previously tested negative and I do have concerns that there will be more positive cases. It’s important to recognise the timing of testing is absolutely crucial in determining the diagnosis. A wrongly timed test can very likely produce a false result. We have to very closely determine potential transmission risks and consider the period of incubation before becoming infectious. “We have been complimented by the EFL for the procedures we have had in place at the training ground and on matchday - and that is one of the reasons they have become very concerned over the latest developments. “I know the EFL are looking at bringing in extra measures, with maybe more testing for example. I have always supported routine testing to secure a return to playing programme. Personally, with so many clubs affected by this presently and this new strain development, football may benefit from a ‘circuit breaker’ before a return to playing securely.” First time I've seen this put forward, could spell disaster if found to be the case. Hancock was saying the other day this new strain is 70% more transmittable. I guess I hadn’t taken into account that could now include close proximity outside at events like football matches. Like you say, I think the more we understand about this new strand is could mean the end of the league.
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Post by miltongas on Dec 23, 2020 9:17:09 GMT
Most people in football have families to go home to. Exactly. It’s the transmission risk, not the personal risk. And this what so many people don’t seem to understand. The virus is incredibly easy to transmit and yet people don’t follow the rules or believe it won’t affect them.
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Post by cockergas on Dec 23, 2020 9:39:43 GMT
How many fit professional sportsmen have died from COVID, probably none, it's ludicrous to say lives are being put at risk. Your post is "ludicrous". It's not just about the footballers, it's about anyone they come into contact with. The thought that the players and staff stay in their own bubble is ludicrous, they quite obviously come into contact with their families, people at grounds, hotels they visit etc etc. Like gasEd I am astounded that regular testing does not take place and its no wonder what is happening now at clubs up and down the country. think ludicrous is a bit harsh. He is probably factually correct but as you say he doesn’t take into account the transmission.. that said I expect a fair percentage of footballers are living in digs away from their families. If they do have families these are likely to be young and at low risk themselves. If they and their families are obeying the rules then they won’t be travelling to see parents or at risk relatives, their kids will currently be home from school. These are professionals who are well drilled in looking after their bodies. If everyone uses common sense and follows the rules then the risk is minimised. The biggest risk will be the ground staff, coaches, admin etc, more likely to be living at home, less physically fit, probably having more contact with local family, but again if these guys follow the correct protocol then risk of infecting a first teamer should be minimal.
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Post by gregsy on Dec 23, 2020 9:48:13 GMT
I think trying to separate higher and lower risk groups is a dangerous thing because at the end of the day a transmission is a transmission. And at the end ot that day there is always going to be someone from a lower risk group coming into the vicinity of a vulnerable person....
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Post by RD on Dec 23, 2020 9:50:09 GMT
How many fit professional sportsmen have died from COVID, probably none, it's ludicrous to say lives are being put at risk. Of all the absolute nonsense you've posted over the years Topper, that may just be the most nonsensical yet. Jesus wept.
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Post by RD on Dec 23, 2020 9:50:48 GMT
I think trying to separate higher and lower risk groups is a dangerous thing because at the end of the day a transmission is a transmission. And at the end of that very day there is always going to be someone from a lower risk group coming into the vicinity of a vulnerable person.... At the end of the day, I agree
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Post by cockergas on Dec 23, 2020 10:02:11 GMT
I think trying to separate higher and lower risk groups is a dangerous thing because at the end of the day a transmission is a transmission. And at the end of that very day there is always going to be someone from a lower risk group coming into the vicinity of a vulnerable person.... At the end of the day, I agree surely that’s what we have been doing from the start, high risk having to self isolate, also being allocated the vaccine first, no one allowed to visit care homes etc
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Post by yaz on Dec 23, 2020 10:20:46 GMT
If tiers represent risks and are used as a basis for deciding upon contact boundaries, then footballers, who are not immune but human like the rest of us, who make contact with their families are as likely to spread the virus, if not more? The only foreseeable way to cross the tier boundary without baby risk is to have testing carried out BEFORE a person moves from a higher tier to a lower tier and assuming tests produce near enough 100% correct results?
Can test equipment be used alone by the person under test? Are the tests cheap and easy to carry out and analyse? Do results take minutes to produce? Like a breathalyser? If so and equipment cheap, players should be provided testers for self test before leaving home for “work” each day AND should be able to keep results and prove test pass at a future date?
I don’t see Premier League stopping as football is important, especially more in these times, to keep the people occupied and not “idle” at home? The advantages of keeping it going far outweigh any risks that the government may see?
Up The Testing UTG
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Post by LJG on Dec 23, 2020 10:22:57 GMT
www.itfc.co.uk/news/2020/december/new-covid-strain-hits-ipswich/New strain behind Town Covid cases as speed of transmission causes EFL alarm, with Club physio backing a football circuit breaker Town physio, Matt Byard, anticipates there will be more positive Covid-19 tests in the squad this week and has confirmed it’s the new variant strain that has hit Portman Road. The Club’s general manager of football operations, Lee O’Neill, is the latest to test positive for the virus, joining manager Paul Lambert and five players who are all in self-isolation. The training ground has been closed and players and staff told to stay away from the Club. Portsmouth, Peterborough and Sunderland have also reported positive cases over the last few days but it’s the outbreak at Town that has caused extra concern at the EFL. “In previous cases at clubs, the confirmatory source can normally be isolated down to a coach journey or a lengthy meeting indoors. We however, have had the same protocols in place since we started pre-season training,” Matt told the Club website. “The players are still arriving to training in kit, training and then going straight home. No showers are in use, no canteen where they eat communally. If you consider a staged return to normal behaviour at the training ground in five phases, then we are at the beginning of phase two. “We have only had two cases here in nine months [Kayden Jackson and Matt Gill] so to get seven in one week is alarming. “ I have looked at every avenue and the only scenario for transmission has to be our match against Burton last week and because it seems to have been passed on in a matchday environment, it is confirmation of a new development. We still have stringent protocols in place in terms of use of the dressing-rooms, I might add. “We are doing things the right way. We always have done. Players and staff deserve a great deal of credit as they adhere routinely to the guidelines and the new way of operating. This has been thoroughly supported by senior staff and executives. It would have been very easy to allow players and staff to change in the building and have showers, especially given the change in weather. Our adherence to guidelines is still likely to have reduced potential transmission risk, even under these circumstances. “This new strain of the virus clearly transmits far quicker than the original Covid strain and we have the data and symptom profile that confirms that is what we are dealing with here. “We have tested all the playing and coaching staff and from the results, we can detect the level of infection and see the patterns emerging, however it’s the speed of the transmission that tells us it’s the new strain. “We will be re-testing all the staff on Wednesday who have previously tested negative and I do have concerns that there will be more positive cases. It’s important to recognise the timing of testing is absolutely crucial in determining the diagnosis. A wrongly timed test can very likely produce a false result. We have to very closely determine potential transmission risks and consider the period of incubation before becoming infectious. “We have been complimented by the EFL for the procedures we have had in place at the training ground and on matchday - and that is one of the reasons they have become very concerned over the latest developments. “I know the EFL are looking at bringing in extra measures, with maybe more testing for example. I have always supported routine testing to secure a return to playing programme. Personally, with so many clubs affected by this presently and this new strain development, football may benefit from a ‘circuit breaker’ before a return to playing securely.” First time I've seen this put forward, could spell disaster if found to be the case. Hancock was saying the other day this new strain is 70% more transmittable. I guess I hadn’t taken into account that could now include close proximity outside at events like football matches. Like you say, I think the more we understand about this new strand is could mean the end of the league. There is absolutely no counting method known to modern science that would allow Hancock to know whether this "new strain" is 70% more transmissible. Certainly not at this time. That is a made up figure.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2020 10:28:12 GMT
How many fit professional sportsmen have died from COVID, probably none, it's ludicrous to say lives are being put at risk. Of all the absolute nonsense you've posted over the years Topper, that may just be the most nonsensical yet. Jesus wept. Oi! That’s my line 😃
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Post by socrates on Dec 23, 2020 11:16:32 GMT
I think trying to separate higher and lower risk groups is a dangerous thing because at the end of the day a transmission is a transmission. And at the end ot that day there is always going to be someone from a lower risk group coming into the vicinity of a vulnerable person.... Yeah it’s like having a watering section in a swimming pool. The whole idea of swapping and changing different tiers in different areas constantly is ridiculous. England is a tiny country with millions of people and the government have created a complete mess where most people now either don’t know what their latest rules are or have given up listening and are using their own common sense which in many cases isn’t a good thing either.
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