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Post by xenongas on Jan 21, 2021 11:26:29 GMT
It's remarkable that a board backing their manager can be spun as a negative. Was it backing a manager or Tommy W ? Fair point and another reason I don't like the lazy "it's all BG's fault" in earlier comments. Either way, trying to spin the backing of management or recruitment departments as a negative is beyond belief.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 21, 2021 11:33:24 GMT
Balance 1 completed. A competent GK Balance 2 completed. A right back Balance 3 tbc. A big target man Balance 4 tbc. A ball winning and carrying midfielder
All my own opinions UTG
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Post by xenongas on Jan 21, 2021 11:37:09 GMT
Balance 1 completed. A competent GK Balance 2 completed. A right back Balance 3 tbc. A big target man Balance 4 tbc. A ball winning and carrying midfielder All my own opinions UTG I think balance 4 is ambitious because you're unlikely to get both in one player. I'd be happy with a ball winner with forward thinking players close around them.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 21, 2021 11:38:24 GMT
Balance 1 completed. A competent GK Balance 2 completed. A right back Balance 3 tbc. A big target man Balance 4 tbc. A ball winning and carrying midfielder All my own opinions UTG I think balance 4 is ambitious because you're unlikely to get both in one player. I'd be happy with a ball winner with forward thinking players close around them. Some would argue thats Ogogo... but I was thinking more along the lines of Sheehan at Newport. I often wonder if Barrett can do it? Thoughts?
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 21, 2021 11:40:49 GMT
Anyway, personally I'd revert to a back four of Leahy, Kilgour, Baldwin & Ehmer. I'd have Abs sitting in front of the defence in for Grant, and then in front of that is anyone's guess as to who is fit. With such a run of games coming up, I think keeping the back four together is imperative. A lot of training time will be taken up by recovery unfortunately. Anyway, personally I'd like a back four of Leahy, Kilgour, Ehmer & Williams. I'd have Abs sitting in front of the defence in for Grant, and then in front of that is anyone's guess as to who is fit. With such a run of games coming up, I think keeping the back four together is imperative. A lot of training time will be taken up by recovery unfortunately.
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Post by legas on Jan 21, 2021 11:42:12 GMT
I think balance 4 is ambitious because you're unlikely to get both in one player. I'd be happy with a ball winner with forward thinking players close around them. Some would argue thats Ogogo... but I was thinking more along the lines of Sheehan at Newport. I often wonder if Barrett can do it? Thoughts? Could see Barrett orchestrating things with good passing from a deep midfield position and maybe running forward with it on occasions. Not sure about tough tackling though.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 21, 2021 11:45:22 GMT
Some would argue thats Ogogo... but I was thinking more along the lines of Sheehan at Newport. I often wonder if Barrett can do it? Thoughts? Could see Barrett orchestrating things with good passing from a deep midfield position and maybe running forward with it on occasions. Not sure about tough tackling though. At 22 and with Ogogo coaching him... maybe a gem at that playmaker DM role? but can imagine he wants a number 10 role
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Post by xenongas on Jan 21, 2021 11:46:08 GMT
I think balance 4 is ambitious because you're unlikely to get both in one player. I'd be happy with a ball winner with forward thinking players close around them. Some would argue thats Ogogo... but I was thinking more along the lines of Sheehan at Newport. I often wonder if Barrett can do it? Thoughts? I'd like to see Ogogo in there because he's in the building already and you know what you'll get from him. I have been hoping Grant would be a footballing upgrade on Ogogo but I'm still waiting on that front. I don't know much about Sheehan so can't comment. Which bits are you suggesting Barrett for? From the limited times I've seen him he looks like he'd fit the Charlie Adam mould of sitting central and spraying passes about. But I can't say I see him as doing the dirty work alongside it, although I can only remember him being played quite far forward whilst he's been here. Nor do I see him as a dribbler coming from deep.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 21, 2021 11:51:00 GMT
Some would argue thats Ogogo... but I was thinking more along the lines of Sheehan at Newport. I often wonder if Barrett can do it? Thoughts? I'd like to see Ogogo in there because he's in the building already and you know what you'll get from him. I have been hoping Grant would be a footballing upgrade on Ogogo but I'm still waiting on that front. I don't know much about Sheehan so can't comment. Which bits are you suggesting Barrett for? From the limited times I've seen him he looks like he'd fit the Charlie Adam mould of sitting central and spraying passes about. But I can't say I see him as doing the dirty work alongside it, although I can only remember him being played quite far forward whilst he's been here. Nor do I see him as a dribbler coming from deep. Yeah Ogogo probably deserves a chance as I thought his pressing alone was great in the pizza cup and now Upson looks injured maybe his time is here? Yeah I think we all have had limited exposure to what Barrett can do and it seems like his passing range and ideas are up there which made me think. If he can develop into a ball holder (hard to tackle him) and add some decent tackling (i'm not taking full guns blazing Ogogo style) then he could fit into a DM role like Sheehan (explained below) Regarding Sheehan...this (not so much the goals although ill take them haha): I share your view on Grant and he is still young so we probably have to wait for that to happen.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 21, 2021 11:51:36 GMT
Could see Barrett orchestrating things with good passing from a deep midfield position and maybe running forward with it on occasions. Not sure about tough tackling though. At 22 and with Ogogo coaching him... maybe a gem at that playmaker DM role? but can imagine he wants a number 10 role Tbh, I think with his recent Wales call-up the Sheehan train has left the terminal. A shame, but we've got Ben Liddle!
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 21, 2021 11:53:59 GMT
At 22 and with Ogogo coaching him... maybe a gem at that playmaker DM role? but can imagine he wants a number 10 role Tbh, I think with his recent Wales call-up the Sheehan train has left the terminal. A shame, but we've got Ben Liddle! Liddle is another one where we have no exposure to what he can bring. He could fit perfectly. Tis will no doubt be assessing all this with his 15 years in football and over 700 games as manager lol. As opposed to me... a fat bloke procrastinating from work!
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Post by blueridge on Jan 21, 2021 11:58:37 GMT
Could see Barrett orchestrating things with good passing from a deep midfield position and maybe running forward with it on occasions. Not sure about tough tackling though. At 22 and with Ogogo coaching him... maybe a gem at that playmaker DM role? but can imagine he wants a number 10 role With you on that one. His build is what is - can’t see it changing too much. One of finest players ever to play the game without any exaggeration back in 50’s was overweight. Some on here may recall him - not from these fair isles.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jan 21, 2021 12:10:06 GMT
Balance 1 completed. A competent GK Balance 2 completed. A right back Balance 3 tbc. A big target man Balance 4 tbc. A ball winning and carrying midfielder All my own opinions UTG And a fair comment
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 21, 2021 12:38:16 GMT
Tbh, I think with his recent Wales call-up the Sheehan train has left the terminal. A shame, but we've got Ben Liddle! Liddle is another one where we have no exposure to what he can bring. He could fit perfectly. Tis will no doubt be assessing all this with his 15 years in football and over 700 games as manager lol. As opposed to me... a fat bloke procrastinating from work! Which, is exactly the issue with the makeup of this squad. Too many players signed for tomorrow, not enough for today.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 21, 2021 12:39:33 GMT
Balance 1 completed. A competent GK Balance 2 completed. A right back Balance 3 tbc. A big target man Balance 4 tbc. A ball winning and carrying midfielder All my own opinions UTG And a fair comment I'd suggest 4 could be done in the interim by Abs, a striker that can make the ball stick should be the priority.
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 21, 2021 13:19:56 GMT
So against Crewe we played 3 different formations at times. The starting formation was 3-5-1-1 and we kept that until the 78th minute with our only change being Barrett in for Upson when he pulled up holding his hammy. _ | _ | Day | _ | _ | _ | Baldwin | Kilgour | Harries | _ | Ehmer | Grant | McCormick | Upson | Leahy | _ | _ | Westbrooke | _ | _ | _ | _ | Hanlan | _ | _ |
Then for five minutes we went 4-2-3-1 having brought on Rodman and Koiki for Harries and Leahy _ | _ | Day | _ | _ | Ehmer | Baldwin | _ | Kilgour | Leahy | _ | Grant | _ | Barrett | _ | _ | Rodman | Westbrooke | McCormick | _ | _ | _ | Hanlan | _ | _ |
We then played the remainder of the game as a 3-4-2-1 with Ayunga replacing Hanlan _ | _ | Day | _ | _ | _ | Ehmer | Kilgour | Baldwin | _ | Rodman | Grant | _ | Barrett | Koiki | _ | Westbrooke | _ | McCormick | _ | _ | _ | Ayuna | _ | _ |
Playing 3 at the back always seems to leave us a little bare at the back and is a worry whenever a team break, that being said we also looked better going forward and created a high number of attempts (one of our highest ever this season?) against Crewe. I wouldn't be surprised to see this formation used again vs Oxford as worrying as that sounds. Now a couple of things... Upson went off injured... do we know anything more? Holding is hammy you would imagine quite a few weeks out so his starting place is more than likely up for grabs. Would we likely see Barrett starting or Ogogo? Both give completely different skills to this team. Next up is Hanlan... will he get a rest? Subbed off with the commentator reckons he was limping but many suggesting he was fine. Must be knackered mind so I wouldn't be surprised to see Ayunga start. If playing the wing backs we need players with high energy levels. Both Koiki and Leahy rated highly against Crewe so it's anyone guess as to who gets the nod. You would expect Leahy to retain his place though. One assumes Hare and Tutonda will not be selected as not even on the bench again at Crewe but possibly a place for Rodman at RWB? Still probably risky. I think if we do use this formation again... and given the fact we created a lot I would imagine small changes will be made. My prediction first then what i would like to see. My Prediction: _ | _ | Day | _ | _ | _ | Baldwin | Kilgour | Harries | _ | Ehmer | Grant | McCormick | Barrett | Leahy | _ | _ | Westbrooke | _ | _ | _ | _ | Hanlan | _ | _ |
What I would like to see: _ | _ | Day | _ | _ | _ | Kilgour | Baldwin | Ehmer | _ | Ogogo | Grant | McCormick | Barrett | Koiki | _ | _ | Westbrooke | _ | _ | _ | _ | Hanlan | _ | _ |
So we have Ogogo in as RWB, still have the energy and tackling ability that I think would suit the role on the right and used to play on the right side of defense in his early career I believe. Doesn't have to whip crosses in as we have no main threat in the air. Koiki in for Leahy (give him a bit of rest) and play to his strenths (speed and strength). Barrett always looking for the ball off the defense so options other than Baldwin to start each attack. Decent interchange play for Macca and Westy hopefully creating space or opportunity for Hanlan. Grant stay back and shield. Set pieces...slow down. Set up with our 4-5 6ft plus players and get in those dangerous areas. Saw too many short ones that went backwards after the first pass in good areas. Hey its not perfect but worth a thought i reckon.
Agogo is not a wingback. Not by any stretch. Of the available players I would go with this. 41311 ---Williams---Alfie-----Ehmer----Leahy ------------------Grant---- ------------ Rodman -----Westbrooke---------Tutonda -------------------------LMC-------------- ----------Hanlan---------------- Or 442 ---Williams---Alfie-----Ehmer----Leahy Rodman---Westbrooke---Ogogo----Tutonda -------Hanlan--------LMC---------------
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Post by newmarketgas on Jan 21, 2021 13:27:56 GMT
At 22 and with Ogogo coaching him... maybe a gem at that playmaker DM role? but can imagine he wants a number 10 role With you on that one. His build is what is - can’t see it changing too much. One of finest players ever to play the game without any exaggeration back in 50’s was overweight. Some on here may recall him - not from these fair isles. Puskas ? He was brilliant.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 21, 2021 13:36:02 GMT
Now Williams is here and is apparently a decent RWB, it wouldn’t surprise me if Tis went 3 at the back again on Saturday whilst Oz & Nicholson are still out.
Maybe:
____________Day ____Ehmer__Kilgour__Harries Williams_Ogogo___Grant_Leahy ____McCormick___Westbrooke ___________Hanlan
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Post by xenongas on Jan 21, 2021 14:13:50 GMT
I'd like to see Ogogo in there because he's in the building already and you know what you'll get from him. I have been hoping Grant would be a footballing upgrade on Ogogo but I'm still waiting on that front. I don't know much about Sheehan so can't comment. Which bits are you suggesting Barrett for? From the limited times I've seen him he looks like he'd fit the Charlie Adam mould of sitting central and spraying passes about. But I can't say I see him as doing the dirty work alongside it, although I can only remember him being played quite far forward whilst he's been here. Nor do I see him as a dribbler coming from deep. Yeah Ogogo probably deserves a chance as I thought his pressing alone was great in the pizza cup and now Upson looks injured maybe his time is here? Yeah I think we all have had limited exposure to what Barrett can do and it seems like his passing range and ideas are up there which made me think. If he can develop into a ball holder (hard to tackle him) and add some decent tackling (i'm not taking full guns blazing Ogogo style) then he could fit into a DM role like Sheehan (explained below) Regarding Sheehan...this (not so much the goals although ill take them haha): I share your view on Grant and he is still young so we probably have to wait for that to happen. I am on a real downer about the central midfielders at the moment, I just can't see what qualities they bring. On the other hand, it is clear to see what an Ogogo brings to the team.
From that video I see what you mean. He came out on top in a challenge with Stuart Sinclair which is always impressive! Appears to play well against teams in green too!
Those videos always pose more questions than answers for me. Like who paid for it to be done in the first place? Is it representative? because it seemed to heavily focus on a handful of games. I always wonder if someone had the time and the motivation, whether they could put together one of those for a player who most would agree hasn't performed well over a season and make them look like world beaters.
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Post by blueridge on Jan 21, 2021 14:21:18 GMT
With you on that one. His build is what is - can’t see it changing too much. One of finest players ever to play the game without any exaggeration back in 50’s was overweight. Some on here may recall him - not from these fair isles. Puskas ? He was brilliant. What a player - awesome!!
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