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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 18:47:20 GMT
142 games is abit out from 30 games 😗 Apologies, total side-track vent coming up in this post that has nothing to do with our new signing..but this is just a small example of what can contribute to this whole culture of misinformation and the spread thereof in today's world of smart phones and social media. It's one thing making an error which is completely understandable, as I'm guessing oldgas misread the previous post about Williams's number of appearances in the last few seasons. Fine in itself of course, as we can all make mistakes, but then they go onto take that misread information and form an inaccurate biased view based on something they've misunderstood and express anger about something that's not true. In this world of social media and information at everyone's finger tips, these sort of honest mistakes seem to snowball into full blown rage rants full of inaccuracies, and even conspiracy theories. Anyway, this is something that's generally been getting my goat lately so sorry for the tangent guys! Back on topic, I am by no means excited by the signing, but I do think it's a sensible one, and I'm hopeful that this arrival will be a good step towards us becoming more solid at the back. In the good(bad) old days before social media I think it was called chinese whispers. I was once involved in an experiment which involved a short story being retold secretly from one person to the next and so on for 20 people. The story involved deliberately contained quite a number of specific details and we were asked to try and accurately convey what we were told to the next person. No surprise the final story bore little resemblance to the original one and even contained random details which were not in the original. Sound familiar? Technology just makes it quicker and easier to f**k things up now!
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 21, 2021 18:53:31 GMT
Finally a right back! Hopefully we can settle upon a consistent back 4 and get our injured players back quickly. We are in a relegation scrap so Tis needs to get in a striker and we should have enough to stay out the bottom 4.
Some investment In the summer could see us do well next season as I do feel we have some quality, a front 4 of say Nicholson, Oz, McCormick and Stockley (or similar) would be more than good enough for League 1.
Some dross to clear out but enough of a nucleus to work with. Just gotta scrap enough points to stay safe.
UTG
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2021 19:06:46 GMT
I couldn’t answer that but I grew up with rovers teams being full of Welsh players. Maybe nostalgia is getting the better of me That’s right, he was known as George. We used to have teams that were half Welsh, as the South Wales nursery churned out a steady stream of players. Over the years Bryn Jones, Wayne Jones, David Williams, Geraint Williams, Neil Slatter, Martin Thomas to name just a few. Vaughn Jones. One of my favourite players when I was a kid. How we could do with a no nonsense left back like him right now. With Jock on the other side.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 21, 2021 19:11:43 GMT
That’s right, he was known as George. We used to have teams that were half Welsh, as the South Wales nursery churned out a steady stream of players. Over the years Bryn Jones, Wayne Jones, David Williams, Geraint Williams, Neil Slatter, Martin Thomas to name just a few. Vaughn Jones. One of my favourite players when I was a kid. How we could do with a no nonsense left back like him right now. With Jock on the other side. That really was a well drilled defence wasn’t it? With Yates and Twentyman in the middle and big Nigel in goal! The best I’ve seen in watching for 35 years! UTG
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2021 19:14:12 GMT
Baldwin will drop to the bench without a doubt. Unless PT is just trying to confuse our next opponents, it seems that might not be the case: "Is he someone you feel can go straight into the team if you need him to?' Yeah, absolutely. Whether he will or not is a different matter because I thought we played really well on Tuesday, but in time, yes." Was PT watching a different game than the rest of us on Tuesday's evening? Apparently we had 17 shots on goal played really well and any negativity about Tuesday night is boring. So I’ve been told.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 21, 2021 19:15:40 GMT
Unless PT is just trying to confuse our next opponents, it seems that might not be the case: "Is he someone you feel can go straight into the team if you need him to?' Yeah, absolutely. Whether he will or not is a different matter because I thought we played really well on Tuesday, but in time, yes." Was PT watching a different game than the rest of us on Tuesday's evening? Apparently we had 17 shots on goal played really well and any negativity about Tuesday night is boring. So I’ve been told. Grow up! 😜
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2021 19:19:28 GMT
Apparently we had 17 shots on goal played really well and any negativity about Tuesday night is boring. So I’ve been told. Grow up! 😜 Meaning ?
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2021 19:25:06 GMT
Well it looks like Tisdale has identified the right back position as a problem area and done something about it so that’s good. Hopefully we can bring in an attacking player and a ballwinner into midfield to give us some fight and protection of the back four. I wouldn’t mind Ogogo Grant or Upson going out on loan if we could bring in a leader in that position to help pull us in the right direction. Every good side has one.
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2021 19:37:37 GMT
Vaughn Jones. One of my favourite players when I was a kid. How we could do with a no nonsense left back like him right now. With Jock on the other side. That really was a well drilled defence wasn’t it? With Yates and Twentyman in the middle and big Nigel in goal! The best I’ve seen in watching for 35 years! UTG Yeah that was a great side. Brian Parkin was an excellent replacement for Nigel too. Holloway and Reece in the middle with Percy out wide , Mehew our top scorer in that title winning side pushing on from midfield and Bruno and Billy Ocean up front. Most of those players were off casts from other clubs not deemed good enough but Francis built a team. My worry with this current team is that whilst most of them are technically good they still haven’t gelled. It’s only been half a season but if I was to pick one thing that we’re missing it would be a midfield general who’s got leadership characteristics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2021 20:26:26 GMT
Well Love is al around up here, mum says he reminds her of Marti Pellow ffs 😩
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 21, 2021 20:43:27 GMT
Welcome George nice comments on MKD forum so hopefully will improve us, must mean a few going out now.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 21, 2021 20:43:48 GMT
142 games is abit out from 30 games 😗 Apologies, total side-track vent coming up in this post that has nothing to do with our new signing..but this is just a small example of what can contribute to this whole culture of misinformation and the spread thereof in today's world of smart phones and social media. It's one thing making an error which is completely understandable, as I'm guessing oldgas misread the previous post about Williams's number of appearances in the last few seasons. Fine in itself of course, as we can all make mistakes, but then they go onto take that misread information and form an inaccurate biased view based on something they've misunderstood and express anger about something that's not true. In this world of social media and information at everyone's finger tips, these sort of honest mistakes seem to snowball into full blown rage rants full of inaccuracies, and even conspiracy theories. Anyway, this is something that's generally been getting my goat lately so sorry for the tangent guys! Back on topic, I am by no means excited by the signing, but I do think it's a sensible one, and I'm hopeful that this arrival will be a good step towards us becoming more solid at the back. I don’t think social media has the monopoly on misinformation. Newspapers don’t agree on anything, politicians don’t agree on anything, historians don’t agree on anything, economists don’t agree on anything.... While things like appearances are fact or fiction, most things are a matter of the interpretation of facts, which everyone does differently, hence nobody agrees. The danger of fretting about misinformation is we end up with somebody or some institution being set up as a ministry of truth, or people like Facebook and Twitter (private companies) being allowed to discriminate fact from fiction, as is already happening. Careful what we wish for, the cure for a few BS social media stories could be much, much worse. I come fresh from watching a video by a major media outlet which contained outright lies which I know first hand to be wrong. I have no faith in anyone or any company, committee or quango to not slant things. Power and influence are too corrupting, we will never find the angels we need to tell the truth consistently. Hence, I prefer an open right for everyone to claim their truths and it’s up to us to decide who we believe.
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Post by singupgas on Jan 21, 2021 20:59:38 GMT
If he improves our leaky defense then it has to be a good thing.
Williams Ehmer Kilgour Leahy probably the back 4 PT will go with.
As other are say a Striker must (Jayden Stockley please) and I would also throw in an experienced a cm.
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Post by Jomo on Jan 21, 2021 21:26:07 GMT
Apologies, total side-track vent coming up in this post that has nothing to do with our new signing..but this is just a small example of what can contribute to this whole culture of misinformation and the spread thereof in today's world of smart phones and social media. It's one thing making an error which is completely understandable, as I'm guessing oldgas misread the previous post about Williams's number of appearances in the last few seasons. Fine in itself of course, as we can all make mistakes, but then they go onto take that misread information and form an inaccurate biased view based on something they've misunderstood and express anger about something that's not true. In this world of social media and information at everyone's finger tips, these sort of honest mistakes seem to snowball into full blown rage rants full of inaccuracies, and even conspiracy theories. Anyway, this is something that's generally been getting my goat lately so sorry for the tangent guys! Back on topic, I am by no means excited by the signing, but I do think it's a sensible one, and I'm hopeful that this arrival will be a good step towards us becoming more solid at the back. I don’t think social media has the monopoly on misinformation. Newspapers don’t agree on anything, politicians don’t agree on anything, historians don’t agree on anything, economists don’t agree on anything.... While things like appearances are fact or fiction, most things are a matter of the interpretation of facts, which everyone does differently, hence nobody agrees. The danger of fretting about misinformation is we end up with somebody or some institution being set up as a ministry of truth, or people like Facebook and Twitter (private companies) being allowed to discriminate fact from fiction, as is already happening. Careful what we wish for, the cure for a few BS social media stories could be much, much worse. I come fresh from watching a video by a major media outlet which contained outright lies which I know first hand to be wrong. I have no faith in anyone or any company, committee or quango to not slant things. Power and influence are too corrupting, we will never find the angels we need to tell the truth consistently. Hence, I prefer an open right for everyone to claim their truths and it’s up to us to decide who we believe. I completely agree that newspapers perpetuate misinformation, or at the very least they twist stories to paint them in a certain light, without telling outright lies. Hence why I either don't read newspapers, or I read stories from multiple sources in order to make my own mind up what best represents reality. What you say about politicians is not the same point. Politicians discuss issues and have varying opinions, ideals and priorities. I may not agree with a lot of them, but that doesn't mean I think they are lying or spreading misinformation. This is the root of a lot of conspiracy theories, which spread far too easily due to idiots on YouTube or social media making nonsense up, and spreading it to mentally vulnerable or malleable people. Many items of misinformation and waves of conspiracy theories can be traced back to some con artist deliberately spreading false information, and in this pandemic this can be very dangerous. I agree that a centralised ministry of truth would not be the way forward, but I do feel that more should to be done to prevent such ease of spreading dangerous lies and false information. It's too easy now for anarchists and idiots to "claim their own truth" and have it broadcasted to anyone and everyone. Edit: I realise this discussion is off topic and is not the purpose of this thread, so I will leave it there and mods feel free to move it to General chat.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 21, 2021 22:38:47 GMT
Vaughn Jones. One of my favourite players when I was a kid. How we could do with a no nonsense left back like him right now. With Jock on the other side. That really was a well drilled defence wasn’t it? With Yates and Twentyman in the middle and big Nigel in goal! The best I’ve seen in watching for 35 years! UTG Rovers, or any team I guess, when they have success are full of good partnerships. Those from 89/90 were very good as were the ones from 73/74, Taylor and Green as CHs, Jacobs and Parsons at FB, Prince and Stanton in the middle and of course Warboys and Bannister up front. Nowadays most managers like to change things, tinker and get a strong squad which they feel a need to rotate. All these things make it harder now for partnerships to become strong. Football has changed and it’s unusual to see partnerships that last longer than a season in the EFL. Players do well and move on making what we saw in the past very unusual now. But we do need to try and make partnerships between now and the end of the season and give players the chance to get used to each other. UTG!
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 21, 2021 22:49:10 GMT
142 games is abit out from 30 games 😗 Apologies, total side-track vent coming up in this post that has nothing to do with our new signing..but this is just a small example of what can contribute to this whole culture of misinformation and the spread thereof in today's world of smart phones and social media. It's one thing making an error which is completely understandable, as I'm guessing oldgas misread the previous post about Williams's number of appearances in the last few seasons. Fine in itself of course, as we can all make mistakes, but then they go onto take that misread information and form an inaccurate biased view based on something they've misunderstood and express anger about something that's not true. In this world of social media and information at everyone's finger tips, these sort of honest mistakes seem to snowball into full blown rage rants full of inaccuracies, and even conspiracy theories. Anyway, this is something that's generally been getting my goat lately so sorry for the tangent guys! Back on topic, I am by no means excited by the signing, but I do think it's a sensible one, and I'm hopeful that this arrival will be a good step towards us becoming more solid at the back. Good point Jono. FFS Guys , we need to be on point with our fact checking. Personally I’m excited about our new recruit. Good tackler , very fast, and is great under the high ball, also scored 3 tries this season. Welcome George
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2021 23:08:43 GMT
If he improves our leaky defense then it has to be a good thing. Williams Ehmer Kilgour Leahy probably the back 4 PT will go with. As other are say a Striker must (Jayden Stockley please) and I would also throw in an experienced a cm. Stockley would be a good signing on paper and from day one would look like the answer but Rovers being Rovers more than likely our next Taylor, Lambert , Hayles etc will come from the same kind of line as they did. I don’t mind if it’s a name like stockley or someone from div 2 or the conference as long as we bring someone in who does the business but we do need to add to our attacking options. Thing is , that’s the obvious signing we need to make and in January these goal scoring forwards are hard to sign. The thing that worries me is whilst most seem to be crying out for a 20 goal a season striker ( which we are unlikely to find in this window ) and Tisdale has said he’s looking for , what you’ve mentioned and I really think we need just as much is a midfield general with strong leadership qualities who can come in lead by example and toughen the team up. All good teams have at least one, at the moment with Ogogo out of favour we don’t have any. Arguably McCormick is playing that role during matches at the moment which speaks volumes for him as he’s only a kid and on loan but he gets stuck in covers every blade of grass and has bags of ability too. But as much as that’s praise for him it expose how much we lack bite where we really need it , in the defensive side of our midfield.
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Post by socrates on Jan 21, 2021 23:33:13 GMT
That really was a well drilled defence wasn’t it? With Yates and Twentyman in the middle and big Nigel in goal! The best I’ve seen in watching for 35 years! UTG Rovers, or any team I guess, when they have success are full of good partnerships. Those from 89/90 were very good as were the ones from 73/74, Taylor and Green as CHs, Jacobs and Parsons at FB, Prince and Stanton in the middle and of course Warboys and Bannister up front. Nowadays most managers like to change things, tinker and get a strong squad which they feel a need to rotate. All these things make it harder now for partnerships to become strong. Football has changed and it’s unusual to see partnerships that last longer than a season in the EFL. Players do well and move on making what we saw in the past very unusual now. But we do need to try and make partnerships between now and the end of the season and give players the chance to get used to each other. UTG! Totally. Partnerships over the last few years that spring to mind for me are Lockyer - Taylor , that long diagonal ball over the top not always that accurate but long enough and Taylor or sometimes Ellis clever enough to always get under it and gain possession in the final third Kilgour - Craig. Under Coughlan so solid for 12 months , brilliant, pulled clear finished mid table then looking every bit a promotion chasing pair of centre half’s, some of the league top sides couldn’t get past them. Brown and Monkhouse, the inside forward drifting inside whilst browner bombed down the wing overlapping playing one twos with anybody looking for the ball and at that time the players had so much confidence everybody wanted the ball. Mansell / lines with Olly Clarke - olly was player of the year two seasons out of three partnered with these two and he formed a great midfield partnership with mans and lines but after they both left struggled to find his way. Leadbitter / bodin . With billy playing on the right but his strongest foot being his left and full of tricks he was absolutely lethal cutting inside on it from that side which set up loads of space for leads to bomb down the wing and fire low closes for Taylor and Harrison from the touch line because Bodin took the defenders with Him. If Bodin didn’t play leads in then he’d score anyway. Sinclair and Taylor - these players were both players that were absolute menaces to opposition players and they pressed well together and linked well together and read each other’s games well, sincs would win the ball and Taylor already knew what Sinclair was going to do with it. Also Taylor set Stu up for most of his goals although there weren’t many they were passages of play they just knew what each other were going to do. There’s probably others in the last 6 years I haven’t thought of. Having gone through that I’m trying to think of one we’ve got now. I’m struggling but as you say hopefully they will gel soon.
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Post by biggles on Jan 21, 2021 23:54:52 GMT
more rubbish,george of the jungle going by most posters weve got enough defenders who is going to make way, and, is he going to score the goals we need to stay in this division. its not what you know its who you know. catastrophe if he was anygood would any team in a relegation battle let him go land us with more crap div2 here we come!!!!!
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Post by stevek192 on Jan 22, 2021 0:55:21 GMT
Biggles, (Big Yawn) We need a right back and trust Tisdale that he is a good one.Really hate how our "fans" treat new signings just because they arent Messi.
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