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Post by LJG on Jan 24, 2021 11:41:52 GMT
What would I do. I would get holloway in It's Tisdale that needs to move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 11:48:55 GMT
We can’t defend even with 6 defenders on the pitch, so I’d go back to a back four and playing midfielders in midfield instead of Baldwin: ____________Day Williams_Kilgour__Ehmer_Leahy Rodman_Ogogo__McCormick_Koiki _______Ayunga___Hanlan Think that team might well be good enough to challenge for a top 6 finish in league 2.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 24, 2021 11:59:43 GMT
We can’t defend even with 6 defenders on the pitch, so I’d go back to a back four and playing midfielders in midfield instead of Baldwin: ____________Day Williams_Kilgour__Ehmer_Leahy Rodman_Ogogo__McCormick_Koiki _______Ayunga___Hanlan Think that team might well be good enough to challenge for a top 6 finish in league 2. I wouldn’t fancy the XI Tis put out in the National League, so that’s a big improvement on that nonsensical dross yesterday.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 24, 2021 12:28:06 GMT
Kelly is the LB. it even says so on the website. If you want to go into semantics about LB vs LWB then be my guest, but they’re all defenders that play on the left side meaning if one of them plays there, you cant put one of the other ones there. EG, you don’t put Leahy at LB and then Koiki and LWB, do you? So I’d say it’s pretty obvious how we have 4 LBs [ Micheal Kelly has played left centre half every time he has started this year. LB is very different to LWB. Garner releases Holmes-Dennis abs signed Tutonda and koiki. So under your analogy last year we had 3 left backs and this year we have 4? Hardly the squad building crime of the century is it? And Adam Virgo played as a striker, should we consider him a striker now? I also thought 3 was too many but at least understood the reasoning as THD was always injured. Garner resigned Kelly and signed Tutonda & Koiki, so that’s 3 LBs on him whilst knowing we already had Leahy. Leahy was also his first choice LB in the first place so he then signed THREE back ups. Seeming as we can only ever play one of them at a time, it doesn’t matter how different the positions are. We have more LBs than strikers, I’d say that’s pretty criminal. If we were flying high then you could get over it, but seeming as we’re in a relegation fight, can’t score and can’t defend - I’d say it’s sh** recruitment. What do you consider it as?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2021 12:50:57 GMT
[ Micheal Kelly has played left centre half every time he has started this year. LB is very different to LWB. Garner releases Holmes-Dennis abs signed Tutonda and koiki. So under your analogy last year we had 3 left backs and this year we have 4? Hardly the squad building crime of the century is it? And Adam Virgo played as a striker, should we consider him a striker now? I also thought 3 was too many but at least understood the reasoning as THD was always injured. Garner resigned Kelly and signed Tutonda & Koiki, so that’s 3 LBs on him whilst knowing we already had Leahy. Leahy was also his first choice LB in the first place so he then signed THREE back ups. Seeming as we can only ever play one of them at a time, it doesn’t matter how different the positions are. We have more LBs than strikers, I’d say that’s pretty criminal. If we were flying high then you could get over it, but seeming as we’re in a relegation fight, can’t score and can’t defend - I’d say it’s sh** recruitment. What do you consider it as? Rightly or wrongly, Tommy confirmed on radio Bristol that Ben viewed Kelly as a LCB and that was his planned position for this season
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Post by clayts2020 on Jan 24, 2021 13:18:08 GMT
[ Micheal Kelly has played left centre half every time he has started this year. LB is very different to LWB. Garner releases Holmes-Dennis abs signed Tutonda and koiki. So under your analogy last year we had 3 left backs and this year we have 4? Hardly the squad building crime of the century is it? And Adam Virgo played as a striker, should we consider him a striker now? I also thought 3 was too many but at least understood the reasoning as THD was always injured. Garner resigned Kelly and signed Tutonda & Koiki, so that’s 3 LBs on him whilst knowing we already had Leahy. Leahy was also his first choice LB in the first place so he then signed THREE back ups. Seeming as we can only ever play one of them at a time, it doesn’t matter how different the positions are. We have more LBs than strikers, I’d say that’s pretty criminal. If we were flying high then you could get over it, but seeming as we’re in a relegation fight, can’t score and can’t defend - I’d say it’s sh** recruitment. What do you consider it as? I think Dave T was garners preferred. He seemed to play Leahy at the start while Dave got up to fitness. The fact is we have 3 LBs and 3 RBs in the squad. That seems right to me. 3LBs 3RBs and 5CHs For what is effectively 5 at the back or 3 at the back with wing backs that works as a squad. What is needed now is playing a settled back 5 every week, coaching them to be well drilled and consistent. At the moment we are changing the shape two or three times a game. Defender like consistency and familiarity.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 24, 2021 15:12:36 GMT
Alright Mary Prove me wrong if you like? Kelly centre half? Don’t think so
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Post by alanrg on Jan 24, 2021 16:58:16 GMT
We could not do any worse than get Tom Mehew back
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Post by BrightonGas on Jan 24, 2021 17:19:41 GMT
We could not do any worse than get Tom Mehew back
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Post by wilmslowgas on Jan 24, 2021 17:19:43 GMT
Alright Mary Prove me wrong if you like? Kelly centre half? Don’t think so If Kelly is the answer to our defensive woes I really give up. Time to start looking at L2 fixtures next season.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Jan 24, 2021 18:06:02 GMT
Was in a minority liking Peter Hartley.Magnificent when we won at Oldham and the Chelsea loanees scored.Solid and rock hard defender the type of which we miss very badly.Plays in India now. Surely Tutonda has to play Tuesday.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 24, 2021 19:47:33 GMT
We could not do any worse than get Tom Mehew back Playing on the same ground his dad graced all those years ago! Then again I reckon I could score in my carpet slippers against that defence!
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Post by hardingegas on Jan 24, 2021 20:15:59 GMT
After watching a few of the FA Cup games this weekend, as well as our poor performance against Oxford, it's obvious one of the main problems is we have no width - both in attack and protecting the flanks.
We're producing very few dangerous crosses and also getting overrun in the fullback areas.
We need a settled back four of Williams, Kilgour, Ehmer, Leahy and play them unchanged for a few games to get used to each other as a unit.
I think Hanlan would be better in a wide position so we definitely need a central striker.
My preferred lineup would be:
----------------------Day------------------- Williams---Kilgour---Ehmer---Leahy ---------McCormick---Ogogo---------- ---Nicholson---Oztumer---Hanlan--- ----------------New Striker---------------
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 24, 2021 20:28:07 GMT
After watching a few of the FA Cup games this weekend, as well as our poor performance against Oxford, it's obvious one of the main problems is we have no width - both in attack and protecting the flanks. We're producing very few dangerous crosses and also getting overrun in the fullback areas. We need a settled back four of Williams, Kilgour, Ehmer, Leahy and play them unchanged for a few games to get used to each other as a unit. I think Hanlan would be better in a wide position so we definitely need a central striker. My preferred lineup would be: ----------------------Day------------------- Williams---Kilgour---Ehmer---Leahy ---------McCormick---Ogogo---------- ---Nicholson---Oztumer---Hanlan--- ----------------New Striker--------------- Agree with the formation and it’s not far off a decent team. New player for Ogogo (eventually) and that elusive new striker. Would Daly look good in that system do you think?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 24, 2021 21:41:24 GMT
And Adam Virgo played as a striker, should we consider him a striker now? I also thought 3 was too many but at least understood the reasoning as THD was always injured. Garner resigned Kelly and signed Tutonda & Koiki, so that’s 3 LBs on him whilst knowing we already had Leahy. Leahy was also his first choice LB in the first place so he then signed THREE back ups. Seeming as we can only ever play one of them at a time, it doesn’t matter how different the positions are. We have more LBs than strikers, I’d say that’s pretty criminal. If we were flying high then you could get over it, but seeming as we’re in a relegation fight, can’t score and can’t defend - I’d say it’s sh** recruitment. What do you consider it as? I think Dave T was garners preferred. He seemed to play Leahy at the start while Dave got up to fitness. The fact is we have 3 LBs and 3 RBs in the squad. That seems right to me. 3LBs 3RBs and 5CHs For what is effectively 5 at the back or 3 at the back with wing backs that works as a squad. What is needed now is playing a settled back 5 every week, coaching them to be well drilled and consistent. At the moment we are changing the shape two or three times a game. Defender like consistency and familiarity. So you think it's reasonable, by your own reckoning, to have 6 FB's but only 3 strikers, one with limited league experience who normally played in the No 10 role, one ex NLS and the other a youngster with a checkered fitness record at his former club. Its almost as if BG overlooked replacing JCH with another experienced CF.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 24, 2021 21:42:57 GMT
And Adam Virgo played as a striker, should we consider him a striker now? I also thought 3 was too many but at least understood the reasoning as THD was always injured. Garner resigned Kelly and signed Tutonda & Koiki, so that’s 3 LBs on him whilst knowing we already had Leahy. Leahy was also his first choice LB in the first place so he then signed THREE back ups. Seeming as we can only ever play one of them at a time, it doesn’t matter how different the positions are. We have more LBs than strikers, I’d say that’s pretty criminal. If we were flying high then you could get over it, but seeming as we’re in a relegation fight, can’t score and can’t defend - I’d say it’s sh** recruitment. What do you consider it as? I think Dave T was garners preferred. He seemed to play Leahy at the start while Dave got up to fitness. The fact is we have 3 LBs and 3 RBs in the squad. That seems right to me. 3LBs 3RBs and 5CHs For what is effectively 5 at the back or 3 at the back with wing backs that works as a squad. What is needed now is playing a settled back 5 every week, coaching them to be well drilled and consistent. At the moment we are changing the shape two or three times a game. Defender like consistency and familiarity. I disagree, it's not a fact that we have 3 LBs in the squad. Just because Garner may have viewed Kelly as LB, doesn't mean that he's officially a LB. Anyway, let's agree to disagree. As for 3 LBs, 3 RBs & 5 CBs, I think thats too many for a 22 man squad. Alone you're taking up 50% of our squad in defence. I'm traditional, I'd be having 2 players for each position in that 22. I do agree though that we need a settled defence, not sure back 5 is the answer though. Genuinely wondering if you're Garner himself from those posts
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Post by biggles on Jan 24, 2021 21:43:00 GMT
i think we are getting tangled up in blue!
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 25, 2021 9:05:38 GMT
Replying to the OP When attacking 3-4-3 Grant drops in between CB's Williams and Koiki join the attacks offering overlaps and crosses into the box Ayunga is the target man . | . | . | Day | . | . | . | . | . | Kilgour | Grant | Ehmer | . | . | Williams | . | . | . | . | . | Koiki | ↓ | . | Westbrooke | . | McCormick | . | ↓ | . | Hanlan | . | . | . | Barrett | . | . | . | . | Ayunga | . | . | . |
When defending 4-5-1 Hanlan and Barrett to assist cover the wing play or tuck in if being attacked down the middle Ayunga stay forward as our option retaining possession following clearances
. | . | . | Day | . | . | . | Williams | . | Kilgour | . | Ehmer | . | Koiki | . | . | . | Grant | . | . | . | . | . | Westbrooke | . | McCormick | . | . | . | Hanlan | . | . | . | Barrett | . | . | . | . | Ayunga | . | . | . |
Now why Ayunga I hear you ask...well I have put them side by side on a number of stats and although Jonah has a very small sample size it makes for some interesting reading IMO Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Ariels Won | Ariels Lost | Ariels Won % | AWpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 50% | 6.2 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 31 | 96 | 24% | 1.6 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Dispossessed | DpM | UnsuccessfulTouches | UTpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 9.0 | 3.7 | 13.0 | 5.4 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 65 | 3.4 | 104 | 5.5 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Shots | SpM | Passes | PpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 9.0 | 3.7 | 48 | 19.8 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 39 | 2.0 | 259 | 13.6 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Suc Dribl | UnSuc Dribl | Suc Dribl % | Suc Dribl pM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 40% | 0.8 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 28 | 33 | 46% | 1.5 |
pM = per Match As you can see here it suggests that Jonah could fulfil that Target man duty slightly better than Brandon who I believe would benefit from a bit more space on the right hand side... not a winger more of an attacking right sided player. You can easily switch out a number of players here and fill them with others but I feel this team feels balanced with more players playing in their strongest roles (including Hanlan). Thoughts?
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Post by TAGas on Jan 25, 2021 9:15:42 GMT
Replying to the OP When attacking 3-4-3 Grant drops in between CB's Williams and Koiki join the attacks offering overlaps and crosses into the box Ayunga is the target man . | . | . | Day | . | . | . | . | . | Kilgour | Grant | Ehmer | . | . | Williams | . | . | . | . | . | Koiki | ↓ | . | Westbrooke | . | McCormick | . | ↓ | . | Hanlan | . | . | . | Barrett | . | . | . | . | Ayunga | . | . | . |
When defending 4-5-1 Hanlan and Barrett to assist cover the wing play or tuck in if being attacked down the middle Ayunga stay forward as our option retaining possession following clearances
. | . | . | Day | . | . | . | Williams | . | Kilgour | . | Ehmer | . | Koiki | . | . | . | Grant | . | . | . | . | . | Westbrooke | . | McCormick | . | . | . | Hanlan | . | . | . | Barrett | . | . | . | . | Ayunga | . | . | . |
Now why Ayunga I hear you ask...well I have put them side by side on a number of stats and although Jonah has a very small sample size it makes for some interesting reading IMO Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Ariels Won | Ariels Lost | Ariels Won % | AWpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 50% | 6.2 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 31 | 96 | 24% | 1.6 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Dispossessed | DpM | UnsuccessfulTouches | UTpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 9.0 | 3.7 | 13.0 | 5.4 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 65 | 3.4 | 104 | 5.5 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Shots | SpM | Passes | PpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 9.0 | 3.7 | 48 | 19.8 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 39 | 2.0 | 259 | 13.6 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Suc Dribl | UnSuc Dribl | Suc Dribl % | Suc Dribl pM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 40% | 0.8 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 28 | 33 | 46% | 1.5 |
pM = per Match As you can see here it suggests that Jonah could fulfil that Target man duty slightly better than Brandon who I believe would benefit from a bit more space on the right hand side... not a winger more of an attacking right sided player. You can easily switch out a number of players here and fill them with others but I feel this team feels balanced with more players playing in their strongest roles (including Hanlan). Thoughts?
I definitely get what you are saying and I think its definitely worth a go because we we're doing now isn't working. I think you're spot about keeping Ayunga as the target man and I've noticed the last coule of times that Brandon has been coming deep to collect the ball leaving him in his own on the halfway line! He's also been drifting out wide (right) which is fair enough because that's what he does. I don't think Ayunga is good enough personally, but the more practice/game time he gets he maybe able to get used to the role and league one and it's not like we have anyone else.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jan 25, 2021 9:17:57 GMT
Replying to the OP When attacking 3-4-3 Grant drops in between CB's Williams and Koiki join the attacks offering overlaps and crosses into the box Ayunga is the target man . | . | . | Day | . | . | . | . | . | Kilgour | Grant | Ehmer | . | . | Williams | . | . | . | . | . | Koiki | ↓ | . | Westbrooke | . | McCormick | . | ↓ | . | Hanlan | . | . | . | Barrett | . | . | . | . | Ayunga | . | . | . |
When defending 4-5-1 Hanlan and Barrett to assist cover the wing play or tuck in if being attacked down the middle Ayunga stay forward as our option retaining possession following clearances
. | . | . | Day | . | . | . | Williams | . | Kilgour | . | Ehmer | . | Koiki | . | . | . | Grant | . | . | . | . | . | Westbrooke | . | McCormick | . | . | . | Hanlan | . | . | . | Barrett | . | . | . | . | Ayunga | . | . | . |
Now why Ayunga I hear you ask...well I have put them side by side on a number of stats and although Jonah has a very small sample size it makes for some interesting reading IMO Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Ariels Won | Ariels Lost | Ariels Won % | AWpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 15.0 | 15.0 | 50% | 6.2 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 31 | 96 | 24% | 1.6 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Dispossessed | DpM | UnsuccessfulTouches | UTpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 9.0 | 3.7 | 13.0 | 5.4 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 65 | 3.4 | 104 | 5.5 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Shots | SpM | Passes | PpM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 9.0 | 3.7 | 48 | 19.8 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 39 | 2.0 | 259 | 13.6 | Competition | Player | Mins | Matches | Suc Dribl | UnSuc Dribl | Suc Dribl % | Suc Dribl pM | EFL1 | Jonah Ayunga | 218.0 | 2.4 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 40% | 0.8 | EFL1 | Brandon Hanlan | 1714 | 19.0 | 28 | 33 | 46% | 1.5 |
pM = per Match As you can see here it suggests that Jonah could fulfil that Target man duty slightly better than Brandon who I believe would benefit from a bit more space on the right hand side... not a winger more of an attacking right sided player. You can easily switch out a number of players here and fill them with others but I feel this team feels balanced with more players playing in their strongest roles (including Hanlan). Thoughts?
I definitely get what you are saying and I think its definitely worth a go because we we're doing now isn't working. I think you're spot about keeping Ayunga as the target man and I've noticed the last coule of times that Brandon has been coming deep to collect the ball leaving him in his own on the halfway line! He's also been drifting out wide (right) which is fair enough because that's what he does. I don't think Ayunga is good enough personally, but the more practice/game time he gets he maybe able to get used to the role and league one and it's not like we have anyone else. Yup, Ayunga is not the out and out answer but failing getting a more experienced bigun in (Armand or Bakayoko for example) then it makes more sense to me to put Jonah up there instead of wasting our Hanlan talent in that role
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