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Post by Langford Gas on Jan 30, 2021 20:23:06 GMT
He picks the managers though, just wondering how the DNA is now ! Wael, nice guy though he is, doesn’t seem to be the best at running a football club. He’s in charge of the purse strings though and his main role in so far as the football side of things goes is to bankroll the team- fair enough. As such you’d think he really needs better people that he can entrust to run the football side of the club efficiently and successfully. If Martin Starnes is the best we can do then we might as well accept relegation now. Since Coughlan left every decision seems to have backfired. Can’t pick a manager, can’t spot a player and yet Widdrington gets a promotion! What sort of message does that send out? The whole lot needs an overhaul from the board down to the team. Spot on As i said earlier they are the Cosy trinity,MS,TW and PT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2021 20:26:10 GMT
By evolve I mean change his approach or habits, I wasn't referring to him turning into Guardiola. That’s my point though. He used to play four at the back at Exeter and playing four at the back is more old school. So he has evolved. Not saying it’s been for the better, but was quite funny you said he has not evolved and then you spoke about him not playing four at the back. We did play four at the back under him before. But when we got all our attacking options injured, he changed formation. We need to change back now. I would prefer a back four as well. Well, I seem to recall Mk Dons fans saying he was overly defensive with them, 5 at the back, nonsensical substitutions etc. He has lived up to their billing to a T. Whatever happened to the Paul Tisdale that supposedly played exciting passing football with young players? One thing seems clear is that he has not gone away and learned from his failure at MK Dons, by their account he is doing exactly the same as there except he is expecting a different result. This is the same sort of intransigence that you get with dinosaurs like McGhee. It’s like they know best even when results clearly tell them that they don’t
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 30, 2021 20:45:59 GMT
That’s my point though. He used to play four at the back at Exeter and playing four at the back is more old school. So he has evolved. Not saying it’s been for the better, but was quite funny you said he has not evolved and then you spoke about him not playing four at the back. We did play four at the back under him before. But when we got all our attacking options injured, he changed formation. We need to change back now. I would prefer a back four as well. Well, I seem to recall Mk Dons fans saying he was overly defensive with them, 5 at the back, nonsensical substitutions etc. He has lived up to their billing to a T. Whatever happened to the Paul Tisdale that supposedly played exciting passing football with young players? One thing seems clear is that he has not gone away and learned from his failure at MK Dons, by their account he is doing exactly the same as there except he is expecting a different result. This is the same sort of intransigence that you get with dinosaurs like McGhee. It’s like they know best even when results clearly tell them that they don’t Don't you mean one random MK Dons fan, he couldn't have been totally disastrous for them as they got promoted! We're now paying the price for the squad BG put together just when a salary and player numbers cap was introduced, which could well mean PT's hands are tied. The blame really lies with whoever signed off the signings of Liddle and Koike rather than a striker, or just kept the money back for January.
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Post by onedaygas83 on Jan 30, 2021 20:46:53 GMT
I've been saying this for a while now that we cant defend with numbers at the back so why do we continue to pick a defensive formation with defensive players? We need to hit teams now because its getting to the point its sh** or bust if we stay up and I'd rather see the likes of tutando on the wing with Rodman or hare on the other side. We cant play through the middle against teams so we need to go back to a basic 442 and get balls in the box from wide areas and that means playing 2 big guns upfront. We don't seem to play much football on the deck nowadays as it's going long ball more often than not so let's start playing with width and pace instead of tossing it about at the back.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 30, 2021 20:56:48 GMT
That’s my point though. He used to play four at the back at Exeter and playing four at the back is more old school. So he has evolved. Not saying it’s been for the better, but was quite funny you said he has not evolved and then you spoke about him not playing four at the back. We did play four at the back under him before. But when we got all our attacking options injured, he changed formation. We need to change back now. I would prefer a back four as well. Well, I seem to recall Mk Dons fans saying he was overly defensive with them, 5 at the back, nonsensical substitutions etc. He has lived up to their billing to a T. Whatever happened to the Paul Tisdale that supposedly played exciting passing football with young players? One thing seems clear is that he has not gone away and learned from his failure at MK Dons, by their account he is doing exactly the same as there except he is expecting a different result. This is the same sort of intransigence that you get with dinosaurs like McGhee. It’s like they know best even when results clearly tell them that they don’t Wouldn’t say we are that defensive. Against Peterborough and at the start today, we had 3 upfront a lot of the time. He said at Exeter the first season was about not losing, then when he could bring player’s in, he changed the style over time. Don’t know if Tisdale will work out. But at the moment, he has an unbalanced squad. With no leaders, no goal scorer etc. The problem we have as a club, is that we tried to change too much over one summer. At the moment we seem to be getting injuries to the same position at the same time. It was the forward players. Now the 2 experienced midfielders at the same time. Anssi is a big miss as well. We were ok top when that scored the 2nd. Anssi would have saved that IMO, then you never know. Tisdale has to sort it out. But without a goal scorer and a few leaders, I think we would struggle anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2021 21:00:51 GMT
Well, I seem to recall Mk Dons fans saying he was overly defensive with them, 5 at the back, nonsensical substitutions etc. He has lived up to their billing to a T. Whatever happened to the Paul Tisdale that supposedly played exciting passing football with young players? One thing seems clear is that he has not gone away and learned from his failure at MK Dons, by their account he is doing exactly the same as there except he is expecting a different result. This is the same sort of intransigence that you get with dinosaurs like McGhee. It’s like they know best even when results clearly tell them that they don’t Don't you mean one random MK Dons fan, he couldn't have been totally disastrous for them as they got promoted! We're now paying the price for the squad BG put together just when a salary and player numbers cap was introduced, which could well mean PT's hands are tied. The blame really lies with whoever signed off the signings of Liddle and Koike rather than a striker, or just kept the money back for January. Did you go on their forum and read the thread about him? I did. They all said what the MK Dons fan said here pretty much so the opinion of him certainly isn't random. Considering he got them promoted they still don't have much positive to say and they claim promotion was in spite of him! Either way, he's had one good season at league one level- thats my main issue. I'd rather have someone like Duff or at a push Flynn who at least haven't failed at league one level even if only because they haven't been tested at it yet. For me Tisdale was a bland and lazy appointment from a board that looks short of creative solutions. I wanted him to succeed but he's got to the point where he's making Garner look good and when that happens it's hard to have any faith that he is the answer to any of our problems. Edit: maybe the creative solutions bit is unfair as giving Garner a job was a very creative way of drilling a hole in a promotion push! Tisdale was a very lazy appointment though. I'm not sure were they to fire Tisdale that they would cast a wide net for his successor so in some ways Tisdale seems a safer option than whoever this board could hire next.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jan 30, 2021 21:07:15 GMT
Not quite our strongest side , sure Ansi, and Daly would have made a difference at both ends of the field today, it is frustrating though to read The shrews new striker scored twice today, but though todays result was very disappointing i am confident of a strong end to season and comfortable survival.
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Post by kampucheagas on Jan 30, 2021 21:13:52 GMT
Not quite our strongest side , sure Ansi, and Daly would have made a difference at both ends of the field today, it is frustrating though to read The shrews new striker scored twice today, but though todays result was very disappointing i am confident of a strong end to season and comfortable survival. Really? In my experience we have all the hallmarks of a team headed in the wrong direction. Can’t defend, lack a leader and can’t score. One good striker could change everything. Without any signings I wouldn’t be as optimistic as you! Love to be proved wrong.
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Post by gulfofaden on Jan 30, 2021 21:17:58 GMT
Good god, it’s really despondent.
An incredibly frustrating game. The usual. 2 goals we didn’t need to concede, gift wrapped.
The defending for both was awful.
I like westbroke but I am starting to agree his lack of tackle is becoming an issue. It looks like a general lack of purpose in his play.
I’m not sure why we can’t coach him “put yourself about more” is it because he can’t, won’t, or we are trying to use what we think are his strengths, passing, which he is clearly out of form with.
I personally think you can’t play Oz and westbroke together. They are both behind strikers players. Westbroke isn’t box fo box, he wants to be Oz’s understudy.
Nicholson, I actually think he’s a winger. Be interesting in a 3 up top, or wide in a 442.
We just don’t know our formation, and we don’t know how to defend. It really does look like almost a lack of urgency and effort. Other teams want it more.
We have 2 moves, long ball from Harries (I am changing my view on him, his long lasting is superb) or pass it round so their defence can get set up. We are repeatedly faced with 10 men guarding everything, our build up is too slow. The players don’t have the guts to make that killer pass or shoot.
It’s like they all need to give 20% more and a little more “headless chicken” please. Too willing to give up good positions to just pass to wing back for a cross. It’s a cop out, it’s what teams do when they don’t know what to do.
All of that said, let’s not forget we were all over them for large parts of the game. We had more of everything - possession, chances, shots.
I didn’t see a truly awful performance. I saw a fairly good one with a few moments of awful defending, and many moments of not taking chances. And that’s what counts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2021 21:18:00 GMT
Well, I seem to recall Mk Dons fans saying he was overly defensive with them, 5 at the back, nonsensical substitutions etc. He has lived up to their billing to a T. Whatever happened to the Paul Tisdale that supposedly played exciting passing football with young players? One thing seems clear is that he has not gone away and learned from his failure at MK Dons, by their account he is doing exactly the same as there except he is expecting a different result. This is the same sort of intransigence that you get with dinosaurs like McGhee. It’s like they know best even when results clearly tell them that they don’t Wouldn’t say we are that defensive. Against Peterborough and at the start today, we had 3 upfront a lot of the time. He said at Exeter the first season was about not losing, then when he could bring player’s in, he changed the style over time. Don’t know if Tisdale will work out. But at the moment, he has an unbalanced squad. With no leaders, no goal scorer etc. The problem we have as a club, is that we tried to change too much over one summer. At the moment we seem to be getting injuries to the same position at the same time. It was the forward players. Now the 2 experienced midfielders at the same time. Anssi is a big miss as well. We were ok top when that scored the 2nd. Anssi would have saved that IMO, then you never know. Tisdale has to sort it out. But without a goal scorer and a few leaders, I think we would struggle anyway. Some fair points there although I'm not sure it was a case of changing too much too soon, if you get the right mix of players then you can crack on immediately. The problem is not too much change its more too many wrong decisions: keeping Garner, backing Garner, squad balance, recruitment...I can't think of one decision the club has got right since GC left. Actually, selling jch was the right call. So yeah I appreciate your view that Tisdale can't be blamed for having to work with Garner and Widdrington's trash but is he faultless in how he's going about it? I think he's sabotaging himself and it's adding to our poor recruitment problems.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 30, 2021 21:18:18 GMT
Not quite our strongest side , sure Ansi, and Daly would have made a difference at both ends of the field today, it is frustrating though to read The shrews new striker scored twice today, but though todays result was very disappointing i am confident of a strong end to season and comfortable survival. Its because Cotterill knows how to do well in this league, and Tisdale doesn't. PT seems to have the same ceiling limit as Clarke
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 30, 2021 21:35:38 GMT
Not quite our strongest side , sure Ansi, and Daly would have made a difference at both ends of the field today, it is frustrating though to read The shrews new striker scored twice today, but though todays result was very disappointing i am confident of a strong end to season and comfortable survival. Its because Cotterill knows how to do well in this league, and Tisdale doesn't. PT seems to have the same ceiling limit as Clarke His win % at this level should have been the real alarm bell. 31% when he joined us and it’s currently tracking at 29.6%. You need 36.6% to stay up. I never wanted this failure of a manager and this is why. He was found out years ago and again at MK.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2021 21:51:48 GMT
Its because Cotterill knows how to do well in this league, and Tisdale doesn't. PT seems to have the same ceiling limit as Clarke His win % at this level should have been the real alarm bell. 31% when he joined us and it’s currently tracking at 29.6%. You need 36.6% to stay up. I never wanted this failure of a manager and this is why. He was found out years ago and again at MK. Hardly a failure at Exeter, after all they are a very small club. Promotions from Conference and league two. A Relegation from league one and four play off finals at Wembley could hardly be described as a failure. Promotion in his first season at MK dons and sacked after eleven games or so in league one. More of a success than failure for them. I well remember you didn't want Cotterill at the gas because you didn't like him and his mate Hamer. I wonder where we would be now with those two at the mighty gas. Certainly a lot better off than we are now I would suggest.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2021 22:02:37 GMT
His win % at this level should have been the real alarm bell. 31% when he joined us and it’s currently tracking at 29.6%. You need 36.6% to stay up. I never wanted this failure of a manager and this is why. He was found out years ago and again at MK. Hardly a failure at Exeter, after all they are a very small club. Promotions from Conference and league two. A Relegation from league one and four play off finals at Wembley could hardly be described as a failure. Promotion in his first season at MK dons and sacked after eleven games or so in league one. More of a success than failure for them. I well remember you didn't want Cotterill at the gas because you didn't like him and his mate Hamer. I wonder where we would be now with those two at the mighty gas. Certainly a lot better off than we are now I would suggest. The Gaschat hatred of Cotterill is so self sabotaging. The guy knows how to do well at this level, why should we vociferously turn that down because he’s been a bit of a berk in the media? Are we that not bothered about promotion?
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Post by LJG on Jan 30, 2021 22:10:46 GMT
Westbrooke is sh**e. Total and utter sh**e. Need rid of asap. Hanlan works hard and is a good player but isn't the guy to get 20+ a season. Defensively we are dreadful. Missing Anssi. Tisdale talks a good game and I got reeled in but he has 3 games to save his job IMO. Going down. Tisdale is a delusional narcissist only suited to the career we took him away from: management consultant.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Jan 30, 2021 22:23:46 GMT
Hardly a failure at Exeter, after all they are a very small club. Promotions from Conference and league two. A Relegation from league one and four play off finals at Wembley could hardly be described as a failure. Promotion in his first season at MK dons and sacked after eleven games or so in league one. More of a success than failure for them. I well remember you didn't want Cotterill at the gas because you didn't like him and his mate Hamer. I wonder where we would be now with those two at the mighty gas. Certainly a lot better off than we are now I would suggest. The Gaschat hatred of Cotterill is so self sabotaging. The guy knows how to do well at this level, why should we vociferously turn that down because he’s been a bit of a berk in the media? Are we that not bothered about promotion? Funnily enough, it would have been an ideal time for him to come in and take over when BG was put in a taxi. It’s clear that a lot of supporters can’t see past his previous connections but that wouldn’t have mattered with no fans in the ground this season. Opinions would soon have changed if he had got us playing and made use of his excellent contacts in the game. By the time fans were back in he would have been lauded as the best manager around.
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Post by LJG on Jan 30, 2021 22:27:18 GMT
The Gaschat hatred of Cotterill is so self sabotaging. The guy knows how to do well at this level, why should we vociferously turn that down because he’s been a bit of a berk in the media? Are we that not bothered about promotion? Funnily enough, it would have been an ideal time for him to come in and take over when BG was put in a taxi. It’s clear that a lot of supporters can’t see past his previous connections but that wouldn’t have mattered with no fans in the ground this season. Opinions would soon have changed if he had got us playing and made use of his excellent contacts in the game. By the time fans were back in he would have been lauded as the best manager around. Cotterill- another delusional narcissist.
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Post by biggles on Jan 30, 2021 22:53:16 GMT
always look on the bright side of life so we've lost home to rochdale1-2 so we're going down lets go down with a smile not a frown and always look on the bright side of relegation wael!
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Post by LJG on Jan 30, 2021 23:01:55 GMT
always look on the bright side of life so we've lost home to rochdale1-2 so we're going down lets go down with a smile not a frown and always look on the bright side of relegation wael! Another poem?
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Post by gashead1981 on Jan 30, 2021 23:08:41 GMT
His win % at this level should have been the real alarm bell. 31% when he joined us and it’s currently tracking at 29.6%. You need 36.6% to stay up. I never wanted this failure of a manager and this is why. He was found out years ago and again at MK. Hardly a failure at Exeter, after all they are a very small club. Promotions from Conference and league two. A Relegation from league one and four play off finals at Wembley could hardly be described as a failure. Promotion in his first season at MK dons and sacked after eleven games or so in league one. More of a success than failure for them. I well remember you didn't want Cotterill at the gas because you didn't like him and his mate Hamer. I wonder where we would be now with those two at the mighty gas. Certainly a lot better off than we are now I would suggest. Tisdale has got a ceiling, just like DC and a lot of other good managers. L2 is Tisdales ceiling. There isn’t anything wrong with that, you make a good living in those leagues, but all the evidence is in front of you that Tis cannot manage at a higher level. Ignore it if you want, but 9 defeats in 11 at MK and 7 in 12 for us doesn’t make good reading. You’re right, I didn’t want Cotterill then and I wouldn’t want him now either. That said, you would have the argument that he is probably someone who we could do with in a relegation fight. We wouldn’t have any shrinking violets on the field with him as gaffer and it would be structured football. As regards managers, Adkins, Cowley, Stendel, Cook were all available when we took Tis on and are available now. But we didn’t even approach, interview or open it up to anyone else. Trouble is the longer we leave the less attractive we become and the further towards relegation we slide.
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