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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 2, 2021 10:43:50 GMT
Because we we’re already low on strikers and we’ve failed to add to them despite a serious lack of goals, whilst everyone around us are investing to avoid relegation. We seem to be accepting it. But it’s not like we didn’t try??? Is just trying acceptable? Just trying, and not delivering, is what gets you relegated. ‘Trying’ to me is doing whatever’s needed to ensure our league one status is not compromised. If the budget is an issue, get rid of some players, or sign a few players on loan. We’re not swimming in strikers, so go for the cheap option if needs be just do something. It doesn’t matter if they crash and burn so long as we take advantage of those options even if they’re crap. There are so many options but to do nothing says to me the management of the club don’t give a sh** or are seriously deluded about our chances of staying up with this current squad. Getting in nobody is the reverse of trying, even if attempts to sign a talisman have fallen on their ass. For what it’s worth I’d have taken a handful of Stefan Payne’s this window I’m that concerned about our lack of attacking options.
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Post by gasbath on Feb 2, 2021 10:46:20 GMT
Window plain to all to see what's required underwhelming as per normal
3 strikers in the squad not one of them experienced at the art of consistently scoring at this level
Other sides with 4-5 experienced strikers operating in the same financial restraints how can that be
Its funny how all these other teams bar Bury - Pompey/Luton/Charlton/Bolton etc. have all survived from their lowest, most not as low as ours and have/will push on back above us
I get we are in strange times and grateful to Wael for Financially supporting us but in business you need to speculate to accumulate and I can't see we've done that
If we got a striker over the line that surly would have sold another 1000 or so passes tonight even if they couldn't play just for the "feelgood" factor
I can't see anything but a loss tonight and it's going to turn poison in the aftermath
Lets hope not UTG
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 2, 2021 10:47:43 GMT
Watch the game on ifollow and you'll soon realise why Day is picked ahead of JVS. I'm struggling to blame Day for any of the goals conceded, he has made some fantastic stops and his distribution and communication is better than Jordi's. If you are only listening to the commentary, you're not getting half the information. If you only listened to the commentary against Peterborough, for example, you would swear we were constantly under the cosh and lucky not to survive a spanking, when we were dominant for much of the game and had many of the better chances. I've concluded that radio commentators pick a narrative early on and stick to it despite the evidence in front of their eyes. Until live streaming they could get away with it, but the game is very different when you've got the evidence in front of your eyes. Some fair points, but people on here who have watched the game have said what I’ve concluded about Day just from the commentary, so I don’t think it’s too wide of the mark although it seems there is an issue with things like the Peterborough commentary which described some chances for JCH that apparently didn’t actually happen. Some are better than others, but I can't stress how inaccurate the commentaries seem when you listen to them at the same time as watching the game. I'd never thought about it before this season, but ifollow has revealed lots. I'd strongly advise making your mind up on players having seen the performance and not relying on the radio. I've watched every game on ifollow this season (BBC/BT for the FA cup), but given our ifollow viewer count is something like 1200 each game, it seems like I'm in the minority.
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 2, 2021 10:52:04 GMT
Window plain to all to see what's required underwhelming as per normal 3 strikers in the squad not one of them experienced at the art of consistently scoring at this level Other sides with 4-5 experienced strikers operating in the same financial restraints how can that be Its funny how all these other teams bar Bury - Pompey/Luton/Charlton/Bolton etc. have all survived from their lowest, most not as low as ours and have/will push on back above us I get we are in strange times and grateful to Wael for Financially supporting us but in business you need to speculate to accumulate and I can't see we've done that If we got a striker over the line that surly would have sold another 1000 or so passes tonight even if they couldn't play just for the "feelgood" factor I can't see anything but a loss tonight and it's going to turn poison in the aftermath Lets hope not UTG I think you'd have to class Zain Walker and Sam Nicolson as strikers, given the advanced role they've played under Tisdale. Which team has 5 experienced strikers in this division? Genuine question.
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Post by james246 on Feb 2, 2021 11:00:28 GMT
With reference to the link below regarding the Paul Tisdale rant. I am not sure if our manager gets it, his formation is largely responsible for the recent poor results. On the club site only 3 strikers are listed, start each match with two of them, also start each match with four defenders because five seems to cause confusion at set pieces when they mark each other and not the opposition. Use SN (excellent player) as a winger. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leahy-discusses-tisdales-rant-calls-4954771 I hope Sam Frost in future articles gives the Rovers leadership hell for failing to sign a fourth striker
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 11:14:11 GMT
But it’s not like we didn’t try??? Is just trying acceptable? Just trying, and not delivering, is what gets you relegated. ‘Trying’ to me is doing whatever’s needed to ensure our league one status is not compromised. If the budget is an issue, get rid of some players, or sign a few players on loan. We’re not swimming in strikers, so go for the cheap option if needs be just do something. It doesn’t matter if they crash and burn so long as we take advantage of those options even if they’re crap. There are so many options but to do nothing says to me the management of the club don’t give a sh** or are seriously deluded about our chances of staying up with this current squad. Getting in nobody is the reverse of trying, even if attempts to sign a talisman have fallen on their ass. For what it’s worth I’d have taken a handful of Stefan Payne’s this window I’m that concerned about our lack of attacking options. So you’d rather we bought anything - even if it wasn’t what we wanted or needed or that added absolutely nothing to the squad just for the sake of signing someone? And Trying and getting nobody in isn’t the reverse of trying - it’s called they did everything the could but were ultimately unable to get what they wanted.... you can’t buy what isn’t available and or doesn’t want to come? Signing anyone at any price just for the sake of appeasement is the club wasting money that is better served elsewhere at a time when we are losing millions
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Post by gasbath on Feb 2, 2021 11:25:38 GMT
Window plain to all to see what's required underwhelming as per normal 3 strikers in the squad not one of them experienced at the art of consistently scoring at this level Other sides with 4-5 experienced strikers operating in the same financial restraints how can that be Its funny how all these other teams bar Bury - Pompey/Luton/Charlton/Bolton etc. have all survived from their lowest, most not as low as ours and have/will push on back above us I get we are in strange times and grateful to Wael for Financially supporting us but in business you need to speculate to accumulate and I can't see we've done that If we got a striker over the line that surly would have sold another 1000 or so passes tonight even if they couldn't play just for the "feelgood" factor I can't see anything but a loss tonight and it's going to turn poison in the aftermath Lets hope not UTG I think you'd have to class Zain Walker and Sam Nicolson as strikers, given the advanced role they've played under Tisdale. Which team has 5 experienced strikers in this division? Genuine question. Certainly looking at Charlton in the wrangle over Stockley I'm sure counted six Strikers in the mix not looked at many others as would just annoy me more I wouldn't count Nicholson as a striker he's a AM surly like Bodin and walker again potential granted but two seasons off being a regular
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Post by Gassy on Feb 2, 2021 11:34:05 GMT
With reference to the link below regarding the Paul Tisdale rant. I am not sure if our manager gets it, his formation is largely responsible for the recent poor results. On the club site only 3 strikers are listed, start each match with two of them, also start each match with four defenders because five seems to cause confusion at set pieces when they mark each other and not the opposition. Use SN (excellent player) as a winger. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leahy-discusses-tisdales-rant-calls-4954771 I hope Sam Frost in future articles gives the Rovers leadership hell for failing to sign a fourth striker Leahy in conceding from set pieces, “It’s so frustrating because if we knew the causes of our mistakes then we’d stop it immediately.” I have to say, that’s absolutely frightening that after so long the defence don’t have a clue what’s happening or going wrong. Honestly, what is Tisdale doing?!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 2, 2021 11:34:54 GMT
Is just trying acceptable? Just trying, and not delivering, is what gets you relegated. ‘Trying’ to me is doing whatever’s needed to ensure our league one status is not compromised. If the budget is an issue, get rid of some players, or sign a few players on loan. We’re not swimming in strikers, so go for the cheap option if needs be just do something. It doesn’t matter if they crash and burn so long as we take advantage of those options even if they’re crap. There are so many options but to do nothing says to me the management of the club don’t give a sh** or are seriously deluded about our chances of staying up with this current squad. Getting in nobody is the reverse of trying, even if attempts to sign a talisman have fallen on their ass. For what it’s worth I’d have taken a handful of Stefan Payne’s this window I’m that concerned about our lack of attacking options. So you’d rather we bought anything - even if it wasn’t what we wanted or needed or that added absolutely nothing to the squad just for the sake of signing someone? And Trying and getting nobody in isn’t the reverse of trying - it’s called they did everything the could but were ultimately unable to get what they wanted.... you can’t buy what isn’t available and or doesn’t want to come? Signing anyone at any price just for the sake of appeasement is the club wasting money that is better served elsewhere at a time when we are losing millions The thing is, the club is so afraid to make the Payne or Nichols mistake again they’re afraid to bring in anyone. In reality, if we bought in even loans which are low cost or perhaps even free, then they’d likely make an impact. We’re so low on attacking players even a player we’d normally consider duff would probably be ok for our circumstances. Not signing anyone, is effectively accepting the likelihood of relegation which is likely to cost more than a handful of cheap duffers. It’s like us going all out for Messi and not appreciating that someone like Ellis Harrison would do perfectly well in our situation.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 11:42:31 GMT
Is just trying acceptable? Just trying, and not delivering, is what gets you relegated. ‘Trying’ to me is doing whatever’s needed to ensure our league one status is not compromised. If the budget is an issue, get rid of some players, or sign a few players on loan. We’re not swimming in strikers, so go for the cheap option if needs be just do something. It doesn’t matter if they crash and burn so long as we take advantage of those options even if they’re crap. There are so many options but to do nothing says to me the management of the club don’t give a sh** or are seriously deluded about our chances of staying up with this current squad. Getting in nobody is the reverse of trying, even if attempts to sign a talisman have fallen on their ass. For what it’s worth I’d have taken a handful of Stefan Payne’s this window I’m that concerned about our lack of attacking options. So you’d rather we bought anything - even if it wasn’t what we wanted or needed or that added absolutely nothing to the squad just for the sake of signing someone? And Trying and getting nobody in isn’t the reverse of trying - it’s called they did everything the could but were ultimately unable to get what they wanted.... you can’t buy what isn’t available and or doesn’t want to come? Signing anyone at any price just for the sake of appeasement is the club wasting money that is better served elsewhere at a time when we are losing millions Have you seen the number of games we have got coming up? Our 3 strikers are already injury prone, our emergency 4th striker (Nicholson) is already injury prone. It’s frankly an impossible task for them all to stay fit at the best of times never mind with two games a week for at least two months. It’s highly likely we will get to a point where even being able to put Payne on the pitch, literally a warm body, is better than having to use a midfielder or wing back as a striker affecting the balance somewhere else in the side. With no experienced 4th striker signed even if only on a short term deal we are sailing very close to the wind- with players who have already been out with injury. It might all come good and we need to hope it does, because with Hanlon, Daly, Ayunga all having missed games previously, in Daly and Ayunga’s case significant numbers of games, the odds are against it. And that’s not even taking into account general fatigue of just playing so many games in a short space of time.
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Post by gasheadpirate on Feb 2, 2021 12:41:49 GMT
As Fraser said ‘we’re doomed’.
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 2, 2021 12:53:15 GMT
Is just trying acceptable? Just trying, and not delivering, is what gets you relegated. ‘Trying’ to me is doing whatever’s needed to ensure our league one status is not compromised. If the budget is an issue, get rid of some players, or sign a few players on loan. We’re not swimming in strikers, so go for the cheap option if needs be just do something. It doesn’t matter if they crash and burn so long as we take advantage of those options even if they’re crap. There are so many options but to do nothing says to me the management of the club don’t give a sh** or are seriously deluded about our chances of staying up with this current squad. Getting in nobody is the reverse of trying, even if attempts to sign a talisman have fallen on their ass. For what it’s worth I’d have taken a handful of Stefan Payne’s this window I’m that concerned about our lack of attacking options. So you’d rather we bought anything - even if it wasn’t what we wanted or needed or that added absolutely nothing to the squad just for the sake of signing someone? And Trying and getting nobody in isn’t the reverse of trying - it’s called they did everything the could but were ultimately unable to get what they wanted.... you can’t buy what isn’t available and or doesn’t want to come? Signing anyone at any price just for the sake of appeasement is the club wasting money that is better served elsewhere at a time when we are losing millions [brlose a lot more wonga by going down without some intent
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Post by TAGas on Feb 2, 2021 12:58:17 GMT
With reference to the link below regarding the Paul Tisdale rant. I am not sure if our manager gets it, his formation is largely responsible for the recent poor results. On the club site only 3 strikers are listed, start each match with two of them, also start each match with four defenders because five seems to cause confusion at set pieces when they mark each other and not the opposition. Use SN (excellent player) as a winger. www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leahy-discusses-tisdales-rant-calls-4954771 I hope Sam Frost in future articles gives the Rovers leadership hell for failing to sign a fourth striker Leahy in conceding from set pieces, “It’s so frustrating because if we knew the causes of our mistakes then we’d stop it immediately.” I have to say, that’s absolutely frightening that after so long the defence don’t have a clue what’s happening or going wrong. Honestly, what is Tisdale doing?! I read that too and I just took as a stupid comment from Leahy. Of course they know Tis has already said he's working on the problem in triangle Unless when being explained in the playback video sessions Leahy just isn't listening or cares Which is quite alarming as he's one of the main culprits for not defending properly
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 13:04:27 GMT
So you’d rather we bought anything - even if it wasn’t what we wanted or needed or that added absolutely nothing to the squad just for the sake of signing someone? And Trying and getting nobody in isn’t the reverse of trying - it’s called they did everything the could but were ultimately unable to get what they wanted.... you can’t buy what isn’t available and or doesn’t want to come? Signing anyone at any price just for the sake of appeasement is the club wasting money that is better served elsewhere at a time when we are losing millions Have you seen the number of games we have got coming up? Our 3 strikers are already injury prone, our emergency 4th striker (Nicholson) is already injury prone. It’s frankly an impossible task for them all to stay fit at the best of times never mind with two games a week for at least two months. It’s highly likely we will get to a point where even being able to put Payne on the pitch, literally a warm body, is better than having to use a midfielder or wing back as a striker affecting the balance somewhere else in the side. With no experienced 4th striker signed even if only on a short term deal we are sailing very close to the wind- with players who have already been out with injury. It might all come good and we need to hope it does, because with Hanlon, Daly, Ayunga all having missed games previously, in Daly and Ayunga’s case significant numbers of games, the odds are against it. And that’s not even taking into account general fatigue of just playing so many games in a short space of time. I don’t disagree that we need a striker but my view is it needs to be the right striker, not just anyone. If we just need a warm body why don’t we use our youngsters and aid their development? Walker , Phillips etc who are highly rated? I guess I think we’re just as likely to go down with the wrong striker as we are without having signed one and then we’d suffer both the cost of relegation and forking out on the wrong player. All opinions and speculation and ifs and buts from all of us... I guess all we can do now is wait and see and hope
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 2, 2021 13:25:56 GMT
It’s been easy to do that in January. We’ll be fine, it will be close but we need to stay positive, however hard it seems. 🙏 UTG! Coffee poured, fingers crossed! 🔵⚪🔵 We might need something stronger tonight.😉 UTG!
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Post by yattongas on Feb 2, 2021 16:39:49 GMT
If you think things are negative now wait until we lose tonight against Accrington Stanley . Losing to them always starts a Gas meltdown but tonight’s could be epic .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 17:26:34 GMT
If you think things are negative now wait until we lose tonight against Accrington Stanley . Losing to them always starts a Gas meltdown but tonight’s could be epic . I hope we don’t lose tonight as a) we need the points and b) I think you’re right - the melt down will be of epic proportions and I don’t think I can deal with the constant moan moan moan....
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 2, 2021 17:48:02 GMT
The only positive, is that it gives the remaining players a chance to show how much they're gonna fight until the rest of the season. Some will sink, some will swim..... They are playing for their future Not really most of the bunch of fairies have 2 and 3 years contracts. Our experienced players have contracts running out
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 2, 2021 17:49:42 GMT
Unlike the OP i do understand why people feel so negative about the club but i agree that we should all try to 'look for the positives' that are undoubtedly there. Like he says the situation is not hopeless, we are not cast adrift at the bottom, and the team has on occasion turned in some very good performances ,albeit not on a consistent basis. It makes a change to read something positive on here these days and the OP has come in for plenty of flak for daring to do so but i would rather read positive threads than constant moans about the manager , players and what's more incredible, posts that say we have 'owner who does not care'! i could go on and on and 'moan' about the 'moaners' but that would class me as a 'moaner' but as i am a 'rose tinter' and not a 'moaner' by nature , i will leave the 'moaning' to the moaners and give you all a hearty UP THE ROVERS' instead! We are positively crap
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Post by fanatical on Feb 2, 2021 17:52:23 GMT
Because we we’re already low on strikers and we’ve failed to add to them despite a serious lack of goals, whilst everyone around us are investing to avoid relegation. We seem to be accepting it. But it’s not like we didn’t try??? How could we with no money?
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