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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 15:43:49 GMT
How do we know the window wasn’t his fault? We don't (which is why I put 'istm' in my post). It seems to me he would have wanted to bring in as decent a striker as possible, and the fact that we didn't was probably down to forces not under his control. I mean, we could have lined up a decent striker who could do the job, but PT decided that, after all, he didn't want one, or didn't rate him. But that doesn't really feel like a realistic interpretation. Are you able to imagine a realistic series of events where the poor window was down to PT? I am able to imagine a window where he wanted to only sign players he trusts and if he couldn’t get then he wouldn’t bother at all. He said as much more than once in the press
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 5, 2021 16:26:41 GMT
Like we got lot of players from Coventry, I suspect now all of any new ones will be ex Exeter. He has a limited knowledge
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Post by socrates on Feb 5, 2021 19:25:44 GMT
It’s not an option in the poll but if I was Wael I’d wait to see the players reaction tomorrow - then make a decision and honestly I think Wael will do that too. My reason is that even though we’ve been on a horrific run and played pretty poorly we’ve generally been on the end of narrow defeats, 3-2 v Crewe 1-0 at Charlton etc but all that time we were still loosing and sleepwalking towards a massive hammering which is what we got on Tuesday. If the players give 100% and put in a performance and avoid defeat then that perhaps will show signs that Tisdale has given them the motivation needed to fight in the battle ahead. If they roll over and play like it’s a friendly yet again then he’s got to go because if you don’t get a reaction after a 6-1 hammering then you never will. Mansell and Hargreaves should then take over until the end of the season and we might well go down but I really think those two will get a reaction from the players.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 20:30:36 GMT
Like we got lot of players from Coventry, I suspect now all of any new ones will be ex Exeter. He has a limited knowledgeHow do you know what knowledge he's got, more c0bblers by one of the negative posters, regardless isn't Widdrington's job to find player not PT's?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 5, 2021 20:33:13 GMT
We don't (which is why I put 'istm' in my post). It seems to me he would have wanted to bring in as decent a striker as possible, and the fact that we didn't was probably down to forces not under his control. I mean, we could have lined up a decent striker who could do the job, but PT decided that, after all, he didn't want one, or didn't rate him. But that doesn't really feel like a realistic interpretation. Are you able to imagine a realistic series of events where the poor window was down to PT? I am able to imagine a window where he wanted to only sign players he trusts and if he couldn’t get then he wouldn’t bother at all. He said as much more than once in the press Which is perhaps better than being lumbered for years with the likes of Payne, Bennett and, now, Barrett? Although I'm not sure he'd have known a great deal about 2 of the 3 strikers we were apparently trying to sign.
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Post by weneedtotalkabouttis on Feb 5, 2021 23:21:29 GMT
Just posted this on another thread, but it seemed more appropriate for this one.
Exeter fan in peace.
Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you.
Firstly to address some remarks I've read on here. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this.
As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'.
The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter.
I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team....
Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett
Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that.
And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough.....
Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2021 23:53:07 GMT
Just posted this on another thread, but it seemed more appropriate for this one. Exeter fan in peace. Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you. Firstly to address some remarks I've read on here. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this. As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'. The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter. I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough..... Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up. I’ve said before about the Tisdale myth, I think a few here have bought into it and refuse to believe that he isn’t a manager who plays attractive football with youth. Although I didn’t want him as I suspected he was a has been I bought into the media profile of what Tisdale was like until I saw the threads on Exeter and Mk dons fans forums where you said all the above and lo and behold this is exactly what Tisdale has brought to Rovers. Considering our board wanted someone to bring youth on and play exciting attacking football the fact that Tisdale is well known amongst former fans for signing players he has worked with before and being over defensive with non-sensical line ups makes me think that the powers at be at Rovers either also fell for the Tisdale myth and did not do their research or he was a mate of someone on the board. A mediocre appointment lacking imagination.
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Post by weneedtotalkabouttis on Feb 6, 2021 0:01:47 GMT
Just posted this on another thread, but it seemed more appropriate for this one. Exeter fan in peace. Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you. Firstly to address some remarks I've read on here. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this. As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'. The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter. I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough..... Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up. I’ve said before about the Tisdale myth, I think a few here have bought into it and refuse to believe that he isn’t a manager who plays attractive football with youth. Although I didn’t want him as I suspected he was a has been I bought into the media profile of what Tisdale was like until I saw the threads on Exeter and Mk dons fans forums where you said all the above and lo and behold this is exactly what Tisdale has brought to Rovers. Considering our board wanted someone to bring youth on and play exciting attacking football the fact that Tisdale is well known amongst former fans for signing players he has worked with before and being over defensive with non-sensical line ups makes me think that the powers at be at Rovers either also fell for the Tisdale myth and did not do their research or he was a mate of someone on the board. A mediocre appointment lacking imagination. I'm not surprised some of your fans fell for it - there are still Exeter fans who think we played great football under his tutorage despite watching cr@p for years and years. PT is like a magician, except instead of smoke and mirrors and slight of hand, he uses clever(sounding) waffle and sharp fashion to distract from what's really going on. Sadly the last time any of his teams REALLY played good, entertaining, attacking, passing football on any kind of consistent basis was in 2011. Good luck with the rest of the season.
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Post by kampucheagas on Feb 6, 2021 7:40:10 GMT
There’s a lovely positive start to a Saturday morning!
Let’s hope we smash Fleetwood with a display reminiscent of Brazil in their pomp, wave after wave of flowing attacks, silky midfielders gliding past players like ghosts, and then embark upon a 22 match unbeaten run to silence all the doubters who finally hail Tisdale a coaching genius.
I’ll go back to sleep now and continue that lovely dream I was having.........
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 6, 2021 11:02:23 GMT
...If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. I'd imagine Gwinnett is now working as our goalkeeping coach as Coles has decided to leave.
Just wondered about Marcus Stewart and Tisdale. Am I right in saying MS worked under Tisdale as a player coach with Exeter?
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 6, 2021 11:04:09 GMT
...If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. I'd imagine Gwinnett is now working as our goalkeeping coach as Coles has decided to leave.
Just wondered about Marcus Stewart and Tisdale. Am I right in saying MS worked under Tisdale as a player coach with Exeter? Who is doing the football operations role now then?
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Post by weneedtotalkabouttis on Feb 6, 2021 11:56:50 GMT
...If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. I'd imagine Gwinnett is now working as our goalkeeping coach as Coles has decided to leave.
Just wondered about Marcus Stewart and Tisdale. Am I right in saying MS worked under Tisdale as a player coach with Exeter? Yeah he did, for a couple of years.
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Post by curlywurly on Feb 6, 2021 16:59:13 GMT
I'd imagine Gwinnett is now working as our goalkeeping coach as Coles has decided to leave.
Just wondered about Marcus Stewart and Tisdale. Am I right in saying MS worked under Tisdale as a player coach with Exeter? Yeah he did, for a couple of years. If Tisdale goes back to his previous coaches as you say, I'm just hoping he chooses to appoint Marcus as striker coach.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 6, 2021 17:49:01 GMT
Just posted this on another thread, but it seemed more appropriate for this one. Exeter fan in peace. Having seen just how quickly things have gone sour for our former Messiah, I thought I'd help clear up a few misconceptions that a lot of you guys seem to have about PT and to let you know how I feel things might turn out for you. Firstly to address some remarks I've read on here. 'Tisdale worked wonders at Exeter playing decent football'. Sorry, but that is a myth, or at the very least only indicative of his first 4 or 5 of 12 years at Exeter. He was initially successful and we did play some good passing football at times. However the last 7 years was often turgid, negative hoofball, characterised by regularly and inexplicably playing players out of position. A favourite tactic was to squeeze as many defenders into the starting line up as possible - like 5 at the back, 2 more in midfield and one up front! Alternatively, playing 5 or 6 central midfielders, in both midfield, full back and cente back, guaranteeing no width whatsoever. I suspect you have already seen enough to be able to relate to this. As for the praise for the MK promotion season, I'd suggest reading their fans forum to see how they felt about it. They just scraped up, finishing third and playing mostly dire, negative football despite having a huge budget and players who were just far too good for league two (Kieran Agard, Chuks Aneke, Alex Gilbey, Dean Lewington, Russell Martin & David Wheeler to name but a few). A demented chimp could have got that side out of league two, so slim praise at best for this 'achievement'. The psycho babble, business talk, bullsh!t interviews were always a trademark, through the good times and the bad. As the pressure ramps up, you can look forward to them becoming ever more obscure and divorced from reality. Don't ever expect an apology, or even PT accepting any blame personally. His ego simply won't allow it. It takes a thrashing before he'll even admit that perhaps his team didn't play well. If it wasn't for the empty stadiums, he'd be blaming the fans by now, as he did on more than one occasion at Exeter. I've also seen quite a few posters saying that they thought from his body language and general demeanor that he may be about to fall on his sword. I accept that this may have been more in hope than expectation but again, history tells you that this simply won't happen. When PT nearly took Exeter back to non league after our relegation to league two, we'd managed just one home win in over 11 months and at one point managed just one shot on target in total across 4 consecutive home games. Fans were restless but Tis saw no reason to leave and in the end, we endured him for another few years after that. PT is a lot of things but stupid isn't one of them. He knows that without some success, this is probably his last job as a football league manager. The only way he'll leave is if his 2.5 year contract is paid up in full. If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. And good luck with recruitment of new players too. Tis has always liked players he's already worked with. There's nothing intrinsically wrong with that, but I remember one game in the latter years when we started the game with 8(!) players he'd resigned after having played for him before. So I'm sure you'll see some old Exeter boys rocking up soon enough. Hiram Boateng and Jordan Moore Taylor could be the first two. I hope your treatment room is big enough..... Despite everything I've said there, I think it would be madness to sack him now. You might as well stick with him until the end of the season and reassess. He does have know-how and ability, so maybe, just maybe, he can get enough points to keep you up. But what have you done since PT left, you've hardly tore up L2 and are now heading for the Championship playing like Brazil? Basically like L1 is our level, yours is L2, whoever is in charge.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 6, 2021 18:21:52 GMT
...If he is still with you come next season, you should expect to see some (all?) of the following suspects arrive to join his backroom team.... Steve Perryman Danny Butterfield Matt Oakley Ryan Harley Mel Gwinnett Oops, ignore that last one, he's already with you! And not even as a GK coach, which is all he really is. Good luck with that. I'd imagine Gwinnett is now working as our goalkeeping coach as Coles has decided to leave.
Just wondered about Marcus Stewart and Tisdale. Am I right in saying MS worked under Tisdale as a player coach with Exeter? Coles was pushed out.
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Post by toddy1953 on Feb 6, 2021 18:37:18 GMT
I'd imagine Gwinnett is now working as our goalkeeping coach as Coles has decided to leave.
Just wondered about Marcus Stewart and Tisdale. Am I right in saying MS worked under Tisdale as a player coach with Exeter? Coles was pushed out. And ?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 6, 2021 18:37:26 GMT
I'd imagine Gwinnett is now working as our goalkeeping coach as Coles has decided to leave.
Just wondered about Marcus Stewart and Tisdale. Am I right in saying MS worked under Tisdale as a player coach with Exeter? Coles was pushed out. Have you any evidence to back up that the club lied about his departure? Although the lack of progress all our reserve goalies have made under Coles suggests he's no great loss anyway.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Feb 6, 2021 18:59:39 GMT
Have you any evidence to back up that the club lied about his departure? Although the lack of progress all our reserve goalies have made under Coles suggests he's no great loss anyway. Yes, LinkedIn. I disagree with that. JVS has improved IMO from really sh** to pretty sh**.
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 6, 2021 20:03:29 GMT
He should go and so should Widdrington. We are bottom of the form table, haven’t won in the league for 7 games straight, haven’t really improved the squad in the areas we needed to in the window where those around us have.
We are celebrating a 0-0 draw against the second worst team currently in the league that have scored 1 goal in their last 6 games!
PPG in the last 6 = 0.33
We beat Lincoln a few months ago, drew away at Sunderland and didn’t even come close to losing to teams around us at the start of the season.
What’s happened to us that the bar is now so low we are celebrating a 0-0 draw because it’s not as bad as a 6-1 drubbing.
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Post by Somersetgas on Feb 6, 2021 21:33:41 GMT
I'd imagine Gwinnett is now working as our goalkeeping coach as Coles has decided to leave.
Just wondered about Marcus Stewart and Tisdale. Am I right in saying MS worked under Tisdale as a player coach with Exeter? Coles was pushed out. Where is your evidence?
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