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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 4, 2021 7:28:06 GMT
Last season Brighton finished 15th and only won one of their last 5 games.
The board backed the manager, stuck with the plan and made a fair few changes or personnel in the summer.
They started this season with some decent performances but struggled to pick up points and languished near the relegation zone.
Sticking to the plan and backing the manager and players, Brighton are now in 15th in the premier league but have only lost 1 in 5, winning 3 and drawing 1 and just beaten Spurs and Liverpool back to back.
My point is what is our identity? What are we trying to do as a club? It was clear in the summer that we were going to take a step back...reduce the wage bill, reduce the playing age and develop young players.
What is the way forward now?
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Post by socrates on Feb 4, 2021 7:44:38 GMT
Last season Brighton finished 15th and only won one of their last 5 games. The board backed the manager, stuck with the plan and made a fair few changes or personnel in the summer. They started this season with some decent performances but struggled to pick up points and languished near the relegation zone. Sticking to the plan and backing the manager and players, Brighton are now in 15th in the premier league but have only lost 1 in 5, winning 3 and drawing 1 and just beaten Spurs and Liverpool back to back. My point is what is our identity? What are we trying to do as a club? It was clear in the summer that we were going to take a step back...reduce the wage bill, reduce the playing age and develop young players. What is the way forward now? League 2 ? |
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Post by Nortongashead on Feb 4, 2021 8:03:57 GMT
Its looking like Torquay away next season. Our current identity is perennial strugglers who lose lots of money season on season. We are trying to achieve sustainability by creating our own assets i.e training ground and young players. The way forward is to win football matches and survive this season in L1 in the short term.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 4, 2021 8:12:19 GMT
Its looking like Torquay away next season. Our current identity is perennial strugglers who lose lots of money season on season. We are trying to achieve sustainability by creating our own assets i.e training ground and young players. The way forward is to win football matches and survive this season in L1 in the short term. Which isn't a bad plan as Wael can't continually write off £20m+ of debts, problem for us, and Wael, is that BG tried to change things too fast and also totally overlooked you need some experience in the squad. Tisdale was probably brought in to continue the project but seems to face an hopeless task, or is simply hopeless as an L1 manager. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Feb 4, 2021 8:31:50 GMT
So either way it’s young players that can be developed with some experience through the spine.
I am sure everyone thought they were getting that with Ehmer.
Anssi - an on form Ehmer - midfield general - veteran striker
Two players would have really set this squad up. It is such a shame.
If we go to league two or not, which I don’t think we will as Northampton, Burton, Wimbledon and Wigan are no way better than us, we should stick to that plan.
The young players will be better for the experience. Dump any bad apples and add in two experienced players in key areas.
Looking back if the club offered Clarke a deal then Garner must have wanted to keep him? We were just outbid by
Mansfield!
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 4, 2021 9:53:48 GMT
Last season Brighton finished 15th and only won one of their last 5 games. The board backed the manager, stuck with the plan and made a fair few changes or personnel in the summer. They started this season with some decent performances but struggled to pick up points and languished near the relegation zone. Sticking to the plan and backing the manager and players, Brighton are now in 15th in the premier league but have only lost 1 in 5, winning 3 and drawing 1 and just beaten Spurs and Liverpool back to back. My point is what is our identity? What are we trying to do as a club? It was clear in the summer that we were going to take a step back...reduce the wage bill, reduce the playing age and develop young players. What is the way forward now? Not sure how much the wage bill would have been cut. Ehmer and Baldwin are probably on a decent league one wage. Westbrook was highly rated and wouldn’t have been cheap. Nicholson was wanted by Hearts. Grant was wanted by Plymouth. We paid a fee for Hanlon, so doubt we then paid him peanuts. So hard to know how much we cut the budget. We didn’t spend it wisely though. Don’t forget we still paying Bennett as well, what a waste of a wage he has been for years. |
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Post by darkbluegas on Feb 4, 2021 10:00:25 GMT
Last season Brighton finished 15th and only won one of their last 5 games. The board backed the manager, stuck with the plan and made a fair few changes or personnel in the summer. They started this season with some decent performances but struggled to pick up points and languished near the relegation zone. Sticking to the plan and backing the manager and players, Brighton are now in 15th in the premier league but have only lost 1 in 5, winning 3 and drawing 1 and just beaten Spurs and Liverpool back to back. My point is what is our identity? What are we trying to do as a club? It was clear in the summer that we were going to take a step back...reduce the wage bill, reduce the playing age and develop young players. What is the way forward now? We panicked and jumped from the frying pan to the fire. Now we’re worse and added to that we’ve got a two and a half year contract to pay up |
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Post by daniel300380 on Feb 4, 2021 10:05:26 GMT
Think the overall plan isn’t a bad one, we implemented it poorly though. We have looked at teams who bring in young players, or player’s from non league. With the aim of developing them and selling them to make a profit. A way of balancing the books over a period of time.
A lot of those clubs do it over time though. So bring in a few every season and mix them with experienced player’s. We tried to do it over one summer.
Need a mixture, as a lot of player’s won’t make the step up.
Clubs like Oxford and Peterborough who do it, still have experience upfront. That’s what has cost us the most. Trying to develop 3 striker’s with potential. If we had one who had been there and done it, it would take some of the burden off them. Hanlon seems to have got worse. Think his confidence is low and he’s probably feeling the pressure, plus he’s played a lot of games.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Feb 4, 2021 10:39:59 GMT
I think the plan is clear.
Sign young players who have potential and sell them on for a high price.
The important bit is signing the right players and getting a balance between experience and potential. Our experienced players are letting us down and the the younger lads aren’t showing potential.
To be successful in the bottom divisions of the football league, you need an experienced spine. Look at the spine of our previous promotion teams. Phillips, Elliott, Campbell, Disley and Walker in 2007. In 2015 we had Macca, Lines, Monkhouse etc and the same the following season. The spine of this side is bang average.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 4, 2021 11:52:17 GMT
I think the plan is clear. Sign young players who have potential and sell them on for a high price. The important bit is signing the right players and getting a balance between experience and potential. Our experienced players are letting us down and the the younger lads aren’t showing potential. To be successful in the bottom divisions of the football league, you need an experienced spine. Look at the spine of our previous promotion teams. Phillips, Elliott, Campbell, Disley and Walker in 2007. In 2015 we had Macca, Lines, Monkhouse etc and the same the following season. The spine of this side is bang average. Monk house was a winger |
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Post by kentgas on Feb 4, 2021 13:10:36 GMT
In 2015 we had Macca, Lines, Monkhouse etc
Plus Mildenhall of course.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Feb 4, 2021 13:18:09 GMT
I think the plan is clear. Sign young players who have potential and sell them on for a high price. The important bit is signing the right players and getting a balance between experience and potential. Our experienced players are letting us down and the the younger lads aren’t showing potential. To be successful in the bottom divisions of the football league, you need an experienced spine. Look at the spine of our previous promotion teams. Phillips, Elliott, Campbell, Disley and Walker in 2007. In 2015 we had Macca, Lines, Monkhouse etc and the same the following season. The spine of this side is bang average. Monk house was a winger I’d argue the way Monkhouse played that season in the conference he was very much part of the spine of the team. |
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 4, 2021 13:21:51 GMT
Next season we will become Exceter City Mark 2. Always in the top half but never going up. Selling anyone we can to any club that is interested. We deserve better
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Post by legas on Feb 4, 2021 13:22:15 GMT
Its looking like Torquay away next season. Our current identity is perennial strugglers who lose lots of money season on season. We are trying to achieve sustainability by creating our own assets i.e training ground and young players. The way forward is to win football matches and survive this season in L1 in the short term. Torquay away would at least be a silver lining (especially if in August or May!). ☀️🏝 |
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 4, 2021 13:31:19 GMT
When Coughlin took over he just got in players that created a new spine through the team, and thats our problem. The team is spineless.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 4, 2021 14:06:06 GMT
I’d argue the way Monkhouse played that season in the conference he was very much part of the spine of the team. You’d be wrong though. The spine goes through the middle. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2021 14:26:40 GMT
With regard to Brighton they brought in a young hungry manager who, crucially, had previous success taking a small team in Sweden to the quarter finals of the uefa cup. Then he proved he could adapt to English football by arguably over achieving with Swansea.
By contrast when Coughlan left instead of taking a considered approach we rushed to appoint a guy with no experience on the cheap and hoped he would come good. The sort of luck and chemistry Higgsy would be proud of. Then without stopping to survey the wreckage we doubled down by rushing to hire a guy who isn’t young and hungry, has been out of work for a while after being sacked and allegedly gave him a 2.5 year contract
When you are a badly run club like we are these sorts of situations are to be expected.
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Post by Gastafari on Feb 4, 2021 15:32:03 GMT
We have no identity.
We haven't for over 20 years, the last time was when Holloway was Player/Manager, Penrice Player/Coach, and the likes of Simon Bryant, Lewis Hogg, Lee Zabek, Mike Trout, and local players who already had pedigree like Cureton and Jamie Shore(Although didn't play much), alongside hungry players like Hayles, and young talent like Roberts and Ellington.
I don't think we even have a plan.I thought we did and hiring BG was a model we were going to stick with. Im not so sure anymore
This club is a sh** show from top to bottom, when you see a club like Wycombe in The Championship allbeit rock bottom, Lincoln in the top 2 and Acrrington Stanley stuffing us 6-1, just goes to show how poorly we are run as a Football Club.
I've said before we haven't improved since Wael took over and for me the majority of the blame should be at his door. Its his club and he makes the decisions.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 4, 2021 21:59:31 GMT
For every Accrington there's 22 other clubs in the division not doing as well, look at the likes of Sunderland and Ipswich who could well be still L1 clubs next season, even Portsmouth aren't guaranteed of promotion this season.
We've replaced Garner with Tisdale, a manager with a reputation for bringing on younger players but posters are already calling for his head, how can we ever have an identity if we sack our managers every 6 months, at some point Wael will have to stick with a manager he appoints if he wants the club to have an identity.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 4, 2021 22:04:13 GMT
Next season we will become Exceter City Mark 2. Always in the top half but never going up. Selling anyone we can to any club that is interested. We deserve better Exeter finished 8th in L1 under PT, which is a pretty impressive feat given the size of the club. |
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