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Defence
Feb 24, 2021 9:01:37 GMT
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 24, 2021 9:01:37 GMT
As a unit are they just too soft for this division. This is where improvement is needed. They just seem to be second to balls in the box all the time. Perhaps a bit.more aggression and better use of the dark arts is all that is required. Over to Clint hill to fire it into them
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Post by outsidehitter30 on Feb 24, 2021 9:03:53 GMT
For me, it's the speed of the defense & turning circle.
The whole team seems to be mentally off the pace of league one. Every opposition team seems so much quicker aqnd sharper than us.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 24, 2021 9:08:39 GMT
Defending at set pieces is relatively easy. That's why managers get so angry when the opposition scores from a free kick or corner. A defender marks a set player and makes sure that player does not score. If all the defenders do this resolutely no goals are conceded. In addition, the goalkeeper is there as extra insurance.
Our defenders seem incapable of marking players at set pieces. The cause of this is either a lack of concentration or determination. Or both. If the defenders allow the opposition a chance to score from set pieces they eventually will. After that you need a good goalkeeper or luck to prevent a goal. We have neither.
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Feb 24, 2021 9:13:01 GMT
Lacking ownership and leadership at the back. All perfectly capable defenders but there is no one, in a sort of Terry butcher, Tony Adams mould, who would run through walls to win a header. It also doesn't help that the keeper, won't command his box. Day is a good keeper but he doesn't come off his line enough for me. But its always easier to defend a lead and we just keep going 1 down to often. If we had more threat up front the opposition would throw more caution to the wind, but we pull every player back for corner or set piece, it just invites the big men forward.
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Post by stevek192 on Feb 24, 2021 9:59:15 GMT
Has anyone thought that maybe Ehmer was good at Gillingham because he didn't have to nurse the players around him? Steve Evans and Raynor have always been known for building a team around a big solid defence and perhaps they had a defender alongside Ehmer who was quick or maybe another experienced player. In truth I have never seen four centre backs who are as slow as Kilgour, Ehmer, Harries and Baldwin. It is not just speed though as they are all tall and yet get beaten in the air by players far shorter than them.How many goals this season have been caused by us losing a header that is flicked on? We have now had two Managers and god knows how many coaches working with these defenders and yet they make the same mistakes - surely this says that some of them ,maybe all of them are not up to League 1 football? I actually think that both Baldwin and Harries there is a good player in there and Ehmer was proven at Gillingham so should be doing better. Kilgour I am not sure about- after 50 games you would not expect a player to need "nursing" around in a game that you train for everyday. If Ehmer is fit for saturday I would be inclined to play Williams Ehmer Baldwin and Leahy and let Leahy keep the captaincy as vocally he has done more as captain than Ehmer has all season. The big question is whether Clint can sort out what two Managers and a lot of coaches have not been able to do. We don't have much time and that is not our only problem- 40 shots at goal in two games with only one goal tells you something. I have no doubt that even with the defensive lapses had we had Clarke-Harris up front we would now be in the top four of this league. People will forgive and forget defensive lapses if you are winning games and often if you score goals the individual errors stop happening. I am hoping that Barton will immediately see that Hanlan is not a targetman but in fact a winger or a secondary striker. Certainly he is not capable of playing the lone striker role. The big question is Can we avoid relegation? If we are to do it we either have to sort out the defensive mistakes or the lack of goals. I don't envy the Manager at all as he does not have the benefit of a window so perhaps he has knowledge of two out of contract players- a tough no nonsence centre half and a striker. We shall see- I have resigned myself to relegation so if the Manager and his coaches do succeed then I will look on them as miracle men!!.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 24, 2021 10:52:08 GMT
Just because he came up through the ranks, gasheads think he's the new Tom lockyer. He's not.. Very poor player kilgour, but not as bad as ehmer or harries. Get Jamie turley in during the summer. Big tough leader in the middle of the back 4 to sort these absolute numpties out 30-year-old Jamie Turley that can't get a game for mid table Leyton Orient in the division below? Didnt stop us signing Baldwin
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Post by GasAttacK on Feb 24, 2021 11:05:32 GMT
Does anyone know if we have a recall option for Tom Davies from his loan at Barrow.
Seems to be playing regularly for them so should now be match fit and would surely be an improvement on what we've got.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 24, 2021 11:08:22 GMT
Does anyone know if we have a recall option for Tom Davies from his loan at Barrow. Seems to be playing regularly for them so should now be match fit and would surely be an improvement on what we've got. No option for recall apparently. Which is for the best given when I said we should have had him in our squad the majority here disagreed....
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 24, 2021 11:14:57 GMT
Clint hill should register as a player. At least opposition will know they have been in a game.certainly wouldn't give up the penalty box to them
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2021 12:30:14 GMT
Ehmers been a massibe flop, the others are kids learning and ill give them some slack. They need some quality experience to guide them. Preferably on the pitch but lets hooe clint hill can drill the sh** out of them and sort them out quick. I agree completely. Brought in to give the defense experience and leadership but never seems to provide it. Whether he settled in Bristol I don't know but the player we thought we had signed and the one that turns up is completely different. I think it would be best for all if he moved on in the summer whatever the outcome of the season might be,
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 24, 2021 13:03:00 GMT
Ehmers been a massibe flop, the others are kids learning and ill give them some slack. They need some quality experience to guide them. Preferably on the pitch but lets hooe clint hill can drill the sh** out of them and sort them out quick. I agree completely. Brought in to give the defense experience and leadership but never seems to provide it. Whether he settled in Bristol I don't know but the player we thought we had signed and the one that turns up is completely different. I think it would be best for all if he moved on in the summer whatever the outcome of the season might be, One of my neighbours is a Gills fan and I asked him about Ehmer. He said he had one really great season (his last season at Gills) but in his eyes he was the weaker of the 3 CB's they had. Also asked about Hanlan - "Pacy and skillful but will never be a striker, poor finisher " was his response.
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Defence
Feb 24, 2021 13:13:33 GMT
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 24, 2021 13:13:33 GMT
Ehmers been a massibe flop, the others are kids learning and ill give them some slack. They need some quality experience to guide them. Preferably on the pitch but lets hooe clint hill can drill the sh** out of them and sort them out quick. Jack Baldwin is coming up to 28 and has been just as bad as Ehmer, but I agree hopefully the others will improve with some decent coaching. Maybe the up talk of Kilgour, playing Kilgour and Harries and dropping the old hands is about the old hands as much as it’s about the youngsters. Perhaps it’s a message that he doesn’t give a hoot about experience or seniority - they have to fight that place back.
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Defence
Feb 24, 2021 13:23:43 GMT
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Post by graceyboy on Feb 24, 2021 13:23:43 GMT
Just because he came up through the ranks, gasheads think he's the new Tom lockyer. He's not.. Very poor player kilgour, but not as bad as ehmer or harries. Get Jamie turley in during the summer. Big tough leader in the middle of the back 4 to sort these absolute numpties out 30-year-old Jamie Turley that can't get a game for mid table Leyton Orient in the division below? What does that matter? Are we or our players any better than Leyton orient? How many of our defenders would get into their side? You'd write him off just because he's 30?? We are crying out for experience and leaders and tough uncompromising characters. It's horses for courses.. Oh wait, I know, you've turned your nose up at him because he doesn't play for Dulwich and hamlets under 18s?
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Post by bluebiro on Feb 24, 2021 13:41:20 GMT
30-year-old Jamie Turley that can't get a game for mid table Leyton Orient in the division below? What does that matter? Are we or our players any better than Leyton orient? How many of our defenders would get into their side? You'd write him off just because he's 30?? We are crying out for experience and leaders and tough uncompromising characters. It's horses for courses.. Oh wait, I know, you've turned your nose up at him because he doesn't play for Dulwich and hamlets under 18s? exactly what we have been missing all season .div 1 and 2 hardend footballers who will lawfully go through someone to win a ball. None of this after you claude rubbish we have had to witness this season. it isn't rovers and never will be. Do what we know works in mens football
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Defence
Feb 24, 2021 13:55:28 GMT
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Post by pirate on Feb 24, 2021 13:55:28 GMT
30-year-old Jamie Turley that can't get a game for mid table Leyton Orient in the division below? What does that matter? Are we or our players any better than Leyton orient? How many of our defenders would get into their side? You'd write him off just because he's 30?? We are crying out for experience and leaders and tough uncompromising characters. It's horses for courses.. Oh wait, I know, you've turned your nose up at him because he doesn't play for Dulwich and hamlets under 18s? He's started an average of 10 games over the past 3 seasons. And I'm writing him off because we should be targeting a better standard of player.
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Post by lpgas1 on Feb 24, 2021 14:33:03 GMT
We should hve offered Millwall Tone a player / defensive coach role
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Post by wilmslowgas on Feb 24, 2021 14:45:40 GMT
It's looking more and more apparent that the departure of Tony Craig was a mistake of huge proportions. There's been a lot of criticism of player recruitment on this forum but the bombing out of Craig at the end of last season was an act of sheer folly.
I can understand that Ehmer was brought into the club in order to replace Craig's qualities. But nowhere close. Ehmer has been a huge disappointment and provides no leadership whatsoever. Another byproduct of Craig's departure is the tanking of Kilgour's performances. Last season, he was talked of as a future Champoinship/Premiership defender who would bring millions to the club. Now, he is just one of four very inept central defenders.
By the way Craig showed you don't have to be fast to defend. Just get yourself in the right position, don't isolate yourself and intimidate the opposition physically and verbally Our current central defenders display absolutely none of these qualities..
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Feb 24, 2021 14:47:32 GMT
What’s strange is how we can not give the opposition a sniff for so much of the game but then have a shocking piece of defending 2 or 3 times a game that gives the other team a simple goal. I think it’s a lack of concentration more than a lack of ability.
There’s a few possible reasons/fixes for this in my opinion: 1.) The players just aren’t switched on enough and don’t have the mental capability/capacity to stay switched on for 90 minutes. 2.) There isn’t a leader in the back line that’s constantly organising and communicating in order to make sure the rest of the defence is switched on for the full 90 minutes. 3.) In the last couple of games, this switching off has come late in the game. Sometimes fitness can be the problem for this. People tend to notice a lack of fitness more easily when someone looks physically tired and slow. But anyone who’s played the game can tell you that if you are not fit enough, when you start to feel tired. as well as becoming physically slower you become slower upstairs as well. Not sure with our young defence that this should be an excuse, but it’s a possibility.
It’s up to Joey B and his team to find the reason for this and fix it ASAP, otherwise it could cost us our place in the league.
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Defence
Feb 24, 2021 14:58:55 GMT
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Post by tbonegas on Feb 24, 2021 14:58:55 GMT
I agree completely. Brought in to give the defense experience and leadership but never seems to provide it. Whether he settled in Bristol I don't know but the player we thought we had signed and the one that turns up is completely different. I think it would be best for all if he moved on in the summer whatever the outcome of the season might be, One of my neighbours is a Gills fan and I asked him about Ehmer. He said he had one really great season (his last season at Gills) but in his eyes he was the weaker of the 3 CB's they had. Also asked about Hanlan - "Pacy and skillful but will never be a striker, poor finisher " was his response. Well your neighbour got one thing right,he will never be a striker,but how the hell does that person think he is skilful? He cant trap the proverbial bag of cement. He falls over like Bambi on ice. And his finishing is downright embarrassing. I would sooner see an untried youngster be given a go.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 24, 2021 15:01:17 GMT
One of my neighbours is a Gills fan and I asked him about Ehmer. He said he had one really great season (his last season at Gills) but in his eyes he was the weaker of the 3 CB's they had. Also asked about Hanlan - "Pacy and skillful but will never be a striker, poor finisher " was his response. Well your neighbour got one thing right,he will never be a striker,but how the hell does that person think he is skilful? He cant trap the proverbial bag of cement. He falls over like Bambi on ice. And his finishing is downright embarrassing. I would sooner see an untried youngster be given a go. Just passing on what he said. Maybe he is getting worse?
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