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Post by tommym9 on Feb 24, 2021 10:20:04 GMT
Never a dull week at Bristol Rovers, not that us podcasters are really complaining! As the Gas appoint their third permanent manager of the season, the GasCast team assembled to chat about the controversial appointment of former Fleetwood Town boss Joey Barton. In part one the team talk Joey Barton: the manager - does he have what it takes to keep Rovers up? What attributes can he bring to the team? And what we can expect from his reign. In part two, Joey Barton: the man is discussed - if his history of controversy will come into play, how the appointment has divided the fans, and whether or not Barton's baggage makes the appointment worth it. Last nights huge six-pointer against Wigan Athletic at the Mem is also previewed in this episode. UTG! listen.gascastpodcast.co.uk/276671/8013163-joey-barton-appointed |
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Post by Baxtinho on Feb 24, 2021 11:54:57 GMT
Good episode, was like our fanbase in microcosm where there's clear divisions between people for and against, and being able/willing to separate the manager from the man.
Totally agree with Neno taking issue with the family club stuff, not sure why some have started banging that drum lately.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 24, 2021 12:54:55 GMT
Exactly , we are not a family club , whatever that means , but we are delusional utg
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Post by SleepyGas on Feb 24, 2021 12:57:00 GMT
Totally agree with Neno taking issue with the family club stuff, not sure why some have started banging that drum lately. I was with Mets on this one. If we aspire to be a family/community club then recruiting someone with a reputation for such poor conduct is not a good look. You cannot simply counter that we're not a family club anyway because our fanbase have been guilty of racist, homophobic or violent incidents in the past - that is basically saying Ok let's not be a "family club", let's be a racist/homophobic/violent one instead then? Which could empower that element of our fanbase to get worse, not better. ... and he DOES have a trial in the summer for a violent incident.. so his misdemeanours are hardly in the long and distant past! That's not to say, by the way, that I disapprove of Barton's appointment overall. He may well be a reformed character. He certainly speaks well in the interviews I have seen and has been engaging the fanbase via Twitter - all very promising signs. I really hope he can find a way to keep us up this season. |
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Post by axegas on Feb 24, 2021 13:01:46 GMT
Good episode, was like our fanbase in microcosm where there's clear divisions between people for and against, and being able/willing to separate the manager from the man. Totally agree with Neno taking issue with the family club stuff, not sure why some have started banging that drum lately. I would have thought that Rovers work with the Community trust, young pirates, open days, matchday activities for kids, new family stand, players visiting schools etc were all with the aim of cementing our status as a club that tries to be inclusive to families. Do we not want to be known as a family club? |
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Post by SleepyGas on Feb 24, 2021 13:09:38 GMT
Exactly , we are not a family club , whatever that means , but we are delusional utg Broadly speaking; I guess it means you should be welcome to take your children to games. Safely and without exposure to violence / racism / homophobia. |
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Post by Big Jock on Feb 24, 2021 14:06:24 GMT
Not sure I understand it tbh, surely every single clubs prerequisite is ta be a family club, what are clubs referred to as who reportedly aren’t family clubs? Do you have examples of these out of touch dinosaur clubs?
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Post by Big Jock on Feb 24, 2021 14:07:30 GMT
Btw I listened to this pod pre-match yesterday, really enjoyed it 👍
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Post by Baxtinho on Feb 24, 2021 14:20:42 GMT
Good episode, was like our fanbase in microcosm where there's clear divisions between people for and against, and being able/willing to separate the manager from the man. Totally agree with Neno taking issue with the family club stuff, not sure why some have started banging that drum lately. I would have thought that Rovers work with the Community trust, young pirates, open days, matchday activities for kids, new family stand, players visiting schools etc were all with the aim of cementing our status as a club that tries to be inclusive to families. Do we not want to be known as a family club? Well of course we want to be, but as SleepyGas says, we have recent history of not very nice incidents - to say the least!
I'm all for reform and second chances, and of course hope Barton succeeds, but the way a lot of our fans have been going on - you'd think we were without reproach. I know we do a lot of great community stuff, but we also have fans who sing about the IRA or wolf-whistle a female staff member!
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Post by axegas on Feb 24, 2021 15:57:58 GMT
I would have thought that Rovers work with the Community trust, young pirates, open days, matchday activities for kids, new family stand, players visiting schools etc were all with the aim of cementing our status as a club that tries to be inclusive to families. Do we not want to be known as a family club? Well of course we want to be, but as SleepyGas says, we have recent history of not very nice incidents - to say the least!
I'm all for reform and second chances, and of course hope Barton succeeds, but the way a lot of our fans have been going on - you'd think we were without reproach. I know we do a lot of great community stuff, but we also have fans who sing about the IRA or wolf-whistle a female staff member!
The thing is no-one can moderate the behaviour of 7000 fans, week in week out year after year. Every football club has the odd unsavoury incident here or there and I’d like to think they take action on them where they can. I don’t buy into this idea that oh we’re Bristol Rovers, we are morally superior to Bristol City fans or Swindon fans either. I would never use that argument personally, we’re just a collection of adults drawn from all walks of life that have a passion for football, that’s pretty much the only common denominator. The incidents don’t detract from the fact that we’re a family club in my opinion. We have done an awful lot of work to make the mem a better place for families to visit and whilst its far from being perfect, I hope we keep up the effort going forward. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 24, 2021 16:03:59 GMT
Good episode, was like our fanbase in microcosm where there's clear divisions between people for and against, and being able/willing to separate the manager from the man. Totally agree with Neno taking issue with the family club stuff, not sure why some have started banging that drum lately. I would have thought that Rovers work with the Community trust, young pirates, open days, matchday activities for kids, new family stand, players visiting schools etc were all with the aim of cementing our status as a club that tries to be inclusive to families. Do we not want to be known as a family club? I've never understood the 'family club' thing. I've visited many clubs in the UK and abroad and cant think of one who doesn't do anything for the community and younger fans. |
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Post by axegas on Feb 24, 2021 16:09:09 GMT
I would have thought that Rovers work with the Community trust, young pirates, open days, matchday activities for kids, new family stand, players visiting schools etc were all with the aim of cementing our status as a club that tries to be inclusive to families. Do we not want to be known as a family club? I've never understood the 'family club' thing. I've visited many clubs in the UK and abroad and cant think of one who doesn't do anything for the community and younger fans. I don’t think we’re unique, just I think that we should be considered one too. The comparison is not really even with other clubs of today, but with how not family friendly some parts of football could be in the 70s/80s. Football is shaking off that image still to this day. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Feb 24, 2021 16:14:46 GMT
I've never understood the 'family club' thing. I've visited many clubs in the UK and abroad and cant think of one who doesn't do anything for the community and younger fans. I don’t think we’re unique, just I think that we should be considered one too. The comparison is not really even with other clubs of today, but with how not family friendly some parts of football could be in the 70s/80s. Football is shaking off that image still to this day. That's the thing I think all football clubs are family friendly these days, they have to be as they are the clubs future. Id love to know of a club that isn't family friendly, and also what makes them not family friendly. |
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Post by footballfan on Feb 24, 2021 16:17:42 GMT
When supporters are allowed back does anyone seriously think that parents won’t be asking Joey Barton to sign their kids shirts because of things that have happened in the past? Of course they’ll be there and when he does their kids will be wearing smiles for a week.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Feb 24, 2021 16:33:57 GMT
When supporters are allowed back does anyone seriously think that parents won’t be asking Joey Barton to sign their kids shirts because of things that have happened in the past? Of course they’ll be there and when he does their kids will be wearing smiles for a week. Well said , in total agreement , fed up with all this sanctimonious clap trap ! Utg 💙 |
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Post by SleepyGas on Feb 24, 2021 17:19:00 GMT
When supporters are allowed back does anyone seriously think that parents won’t be asking Joey Barton to sign their kids shirts because of things that have happened in the past? Of course they’ll be there and when he does their kids will be wearing smiles for a week. He won't be signing many kids' shirts from prison....   |
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Post by SleepyGas on Feb 24, 2021 17:34:03 GMT
I would have thought that Rovers work with the Community trust, young pirates, open days, matchday activities for kids, new family stand, players visiting schools etc were all with the aim of cementing our status as a club that tries to be inclusive to families. Do we not want to be known as a family club? Well of course we want to be, but as SleepyGas says, we have recent history of not very nice incidents - to say the least!
I'm all for reform and second chances, and of course hope Barton succeeds, but the way a lot of our fans have been going on - you'd think we were without reproach. I know we do a lot of great community stuff, but we also have fans who sing about the IRA or wolf-whistle a female staff member!
I think the distinction Mets made on the pod was quite right. You can't necessarily draw parallels between the behaviour of staff (paid to represent the club) and fans (paying customer).. it's all well and good saying our fans have done x,y,z but the club can only do so much to keep us oiks in line. But one thing they can do is ensure the staff paid to represent Bristol Rovers behave respectfully and inline with core values (and be a good example to us and our kids). Some are arguing that employing Joey Barton into a prominent position of authority at the club (with a history of violent conduct and a forthcoming trial) may not represent the values we are trying to put forward as a "family club". They might have a point. Clearly the board have decided the potential risk to the image of the club is outweighed by the potential uplift in on-pitch performance. Time will tell if they made the correct decision (I obviously hope they did!) |
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Post by footballfan on Feb 24, 2021 18:21:04 GMT
When supporters are allowed back does anyone seriously think that parents won’t be asking Joey Barton to sign their kids shirts because of things that have happened in the past? Of course they’ll be there and when he does their kids will be wearing smiles for a week. He won't be signing many kids' shirts from prison.... Assuming it gets to court, and even then assuming it ends up being a guilty verdict. If the worst happens I still don’t see a custodial sentence happening regardless of past actions due simply to the present Covid pandemic. But as I say, it’s still got to even get as far as court. |
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Post by SleepyGas on Feb 24, 2021 18:29:18 GMT
He won't be signing many kids' shirts from prison.... Assuming it gets to court, and even then assuming it ends up being a guilty verdict. If the worst happens I still don’t see a custodial sentence happening regardless of past actions due simply to the present Covid pandemic. But as I say, it’s still got to even get as far as court. Hope you’re right 🤞 |
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