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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 29, 2021 20:04:24 GMT
Thought Alfie had a good game on Saturday and kept Charlie Wyke quiet. Appreciate he has had a mixed season but has helped stop both Wyke and JCH scoring against us in 4 games. There is undoubtedly a good player there. Always does well in a physical battle with the Wyke types, but lack of pace is often shown up against the more mobile strikers. Baresi didn’t have loads of pace. |
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Post by pirate on Mar 29, 2021 20:07:01 GMT
Always does well in a physical battle with the Wyke types, but lack of pace is often shown up against the more mobile strikers. Baresi didn’t have loads of pace. Baresi was one of the best defenders of all time and read the game unbelievably well. He wasn't exactly slow either. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 29, 2021 20:10:52 GMT
Baresi didn’t have loads of pace. Baresi was one of the best defenders of all time and read the game unbelievably well. He wasn't exactly slow either. No he wasn’t. |
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Post by trevorgas on Mar 29, 2021 20:26:03 GMT
Baresi was one of the best defenders of all time and read the game unbelievably well. He wasn't exactly slow either. No he wasn’t. And the great Bobby Moore had no pace at all |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 29, 2021 20:49:10 GMT
Absolutely I don't recall many people complaining when he was offered a new long term contract. He's still young, more than capable of becoming championship player All of these young players have potential. They need a settled management team and coaching approach as well as confidence. How many of them are now sh** scared of putting a foot wrong for fear of being the next scapegoat plastered all over social media by JB? Barton has brought both Walker & Martinez into the squad and had confidence enough to play them, granted we're short with injuries but he could easily have played other players. The only player he's called out in public is Ehmer. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 29, 2021 20:55:05 GMT
All of these young players have potential. They need a settled management team and coaching approach as well as confidence. How many of them are now sh** scared of putting a foot wrong for fear of being the next scapegoat plastered all over social media by JB? Barton has brought both Walker & Martinez into the squad and had confidence enough to play them, granted we're short with injuries but he could easily have played other players. The only player he's called out in public is Ehmer. Garner signed Martinez after he was released from WBA and played Walker in 2 trophy games before he was sacked. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 29, 2021 20:55:58 GMT
All of these young players have potential. They need a settled management team and coaching approach as well as confidence. How many of them are now sh** scared of putting a foot wrong for fear of being the next scapegoat plastered all over social media by JB? Barton has brought both Walker & Martinez into the squad and had confidence enough to play them, granted we're short with injuries but he could easily have played other players. The only player he's called out in public is Ehmer. One player too many. It’s not how it’s done. Especially then to cry about every decision and claim everyone is picking on you |
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 29, 2021 21:05:21 GMT
Barton has brought both Walker & Martinez into the squad and had confidence enough to play them, granted we're short with injuries but he could easily have played other players. The only player he's called out in public is Ehmer. Garner signed Martinez after he was released from WBA and played Walker in 2 trophy games before he was sacked. Yes he did but what does that have to do with JB playing them now ? You're saying they'll be scared of being called out in public, I doubt that now they are in the first team rather than the development squad |
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Post by warehamgas on Mar 29, 2021 21:06:05 GMT
I said some time ago how disappointing Ehmer had been but said at the time he was so disappointing that he may be carrying an injury. He obviously was injured and was trying to play through it. I wonder if JB would have called him out had he known about the injury. If he knew and still called him out then that seems unfair.
UTG!
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Mar 29, 2021 21:07:35 GMT
Barton has brought both Walker & Martinez into the squad and had confidence enough to play them, granted we're short with injuries but he could easily have played other players. The only player he's called out in public is Ehmer. One player too many. It’s not how it’s done. Especially then to cry about every decision and claim everyone is picking on you Pretty much every manager moans about referees, personally I dont think it helps at all but they all do it. You're a Garner fan how many times did he complain about referees decidions? |
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Post by Blackbeard on Mar 29, 2021 21:28:15 GMT
Kilgore had a good season alongside Tony Craig
He’s shown a few errors this season but show me which player hasn’t
The fact he’s playing every week while a mixed cast revolve around him tells me he’s the best thought of CB we have and not having settled reliable partner is obvs going to make him skittish
He’s v young he’s got a lot of L1 experience and he scored that goal last season
Why the hell would a scout not take a good look ?
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Post by bluebiro on Mar 29, 2021 21:37:46 GMT
Absolutely I don't recall many people complaining when he was offered a new long term contract. He's still young, more than capable of becoming championship player All of these young players have potential. They need a settled management team and coaching approach as well as confidence. How many of them are now sh** scared of putting a foot wrong for fear of being the next scapegoat plastered all over social media by JB? or have a manager who plays the promising youngsters in multitude of positions to really mess them up |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Mar 29, 2021 21:47:45 GMT
I heard Mick Harford was also there on Saturday and he is recruiting for Luton Town, exactly the type of club who would pick any cream of the crap from a relegated side.
Also understand Pablo was the one attracting the scouts.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Mar 29, 2021 22:30:13 GMT
We have been a good hunting ground for QPR in the past, Ollie, Dennis, Penny and Bruno spring to mind
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Mar 30, 2021 0:46:24 GMT
Thought Alfie had a good game on Saturday and kept Charlie Wyke quiet. Appreciate he has had a mixed season but has helped stop both Wyke and JCH scoring against us in 4 games. There is undoubtedly a good player there. Always does well in a physical battle with the Wyke types, but lack of pace is often shown up against the more mobile strikers. Lack of pace at centre back has been a massive problem in general. Baldwin is also really slow over any kind of distance. He and Kilgour have been comfortably our best two defenders but if you add lack of pace to error-prone unfortunately you get calamity. |
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Post by pirate on Mar 30, 2021 3:41:23 GMT
Barton has brought both Walker & Martinez into the squad and had confidence enough to play them, granted we're short with injuries but he could easily have played other players. The only player he's called out in public is Ehmer. Garner signed Martinez after he was released from WBA and played Walker in 2 trophy games before he was sacked. From the Bristol Post Under the previous regime you were out on loan and then came back but still remained in the development squad. It’s taken Joey next to no time to bring you up, what impact has he had on your game? The meetings we have with him and the way he speaks, his energy is inspiring. Every time I go out to train we usually have a meeting before an I always feel motivated to go and work my hardest. He’s been really influential for me definitely. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 30, 2021 7:04:14 GMT
Garner signed Martinez after he was released from WBA and played Walker in 2 trophy games before he was sacked. From the Bristol Post Under the previous regime you were out on loan and then came back but still remained in the development squad. It’s taken Joey next to no time to bring you up, what impact has he had on your game? The meetings we have with him and the way he speaks, his energy is inspiring. Every time I go out to train we usually have a meeting before an I always feel motivated to go and work my hardest. He’s been really influential for me definitely. The previous regime was Tisdale. |
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Post by pirate on Mar 30, 2021 7:10:47 GMT
From the Bristol Post Under the previous regime you were out on loan and then came back but still remained in the development squad. It’s taken Joey next to no time to bring you up, what impact has he had on your game? The meetings we have with him and the way he speaks, his energy is inspiring. Every time I go out to train we usually have a meeting before an I always feel motivated to go and work my hardest. He’s been really influential for me definitely. The previous regime was Tisdale. Your man Garner didn't play him though, did he? Fortunately Martinez is "inspired" by the current manager, which is good to hear. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Mar 30, 2021 7:25:23 GMT
The previous regime was Tisdale. Your man Garner didn't play him though, did he? Fortunately Martinez is "inspired" by the current manager, which is good to hear. No he signed him and sent him out on loan. It’s good practise to get these young guys some minutes in men’s football, then bring them back and give them trophy games, then on the bench and then into the team. It’s an integration process designed to develop the young players correctly over time. Look at the trophy starting 11s and squads under garner v Widdrington and Tisdale. Even when Garner was under pressure for wins he stuck to his principles and didn’t use the trophy games to make himself look good. Don’t be a hater pirate. I’m not suggesting Martinez doesn’t like Barton or Barton hasn’t done a good thing playing him and Walker but to use everything as black and white, right or wrong is very basic. Mehew, Walker and Phillips got decent game time under Garner in the trophy. Look at the line ups in the two trophy games after garner left. You have a good knowledge of up and coming young players pirate, you are better than this. |
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Mar 30, 2021 7:39:45 GMT
The inclusion of Walker and Martinez (which I liked) followed by this "scouts were in attendance" makes my mind wander, thinking, was it Joeys decision... or was he told to play said players as we might be able to sell in the summer and use funds to support the big reset.
I'm sure no one really tells JB what to do, but if there is a financial benefit for him that also aligns to the team possibly performance better or at least the same then its a no brainer.
For Martinez's performance (baring in mind he has been playing as a centre back and was utilised as a DM) was pretty decent if you ask me. Eye test and stats wise I though he didn't look out of place against McGeedy (value 650k) Gooch (Value 550k) and Scowen (Value 720k)
5.5% Possession
60% Pass rate
4 Aerials won (50%)
5 Tackles (63%)
5 Clearances
2 Interceptions
source:https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1486717/Live/England-League-One-2020-2021-Bristol-Rovers-Sunderland
Not bad for your league debut against one of the top league one teams. More than happy to see him in there again alongside Grant as the holding mids.
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