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Post by RD on Apr 20, 2021 14:35:23 GMT
This is such a weak argument. People can call out the professional ability of a manager or a player without it being personal. This constant refusal to acknowledge that there is legitimate criticism to be levelled at Barton and just trying to bully people out of their point by saying "you've got some personal grudge" is ridiculous. Only the mentally deranged would actually have a personal grudge against a football manager or player (remember that guy who ran on the pitch after Craig Stanley?) Talking about Barton's failings is no more a personal grudge than the posters saying "Widdrington out" or "the Widdrington haters who only hate him because of who he is" as I'm going to start calling them. I’m not putting forward an argument. I asked a question, and then offered an opinion based on my perception of RD’s posts about Barton. I’m not arguing for or against Barton; I don’t care either way about him, I just want the best for the club, whether that’s with or without Joey Barton. Calling out his impending failure to save us from the drop, woeful ppg average, bizarre pressers, etc is one thing, but the venom with which RD and others speak about him makes it look as though they have some kind of deep, personal hatred for the bloke. I just wondered where it was coming from. Deep personal hatred - jesus christ I'm calling him out because he's done an APPALING job. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Post by RD on Apr 20, 2021 14:37:07 GMT
LJG His results are bad- I agree. His attitude is bad- No-disagree-his attitude is first class, the players are questionable. As regards what he says it is the truth- the club has been poorly run by the Manager and TW since GC left. Even most supporters could see that the squad was totally imbalanced and also there was a question mark over the fitness of some players. We seemed to have an abundance of midfield players but Upson was the only one with much in thhe way of experience and that did not fill me with confidence. The fact we had about 7 left backs and three strikers ,none of whom had a record for scoring goals in this division was all mentioned pre season and then when it proved to be correct Tisdale came in and signed us a goalkeeper who was not much better than JVS and another full back. Is there much you disagree with what JB has said? I feel the negligence displayed BEFORER he came in is little short of disgusting and the only way we could have reversed the trend was bringing in somebody like Neil Wornack who would have quite a few out of contract players who he would "call on" to help him out. New players was the only way we were going to stay up. I see no point whatsoever now in p0aying off another Managers contract before giving him a fair chance to bring his own players in. His attitude is an absolute disgrace. Totally unprofessional - so much so he potentially has a new law suit coming his way - and rightly so. JB's management 101: - Blame everyone around you - Blame the ref - Blame anyone not around you but was in the vicinity at some point - Blame the ref - Blame everyone else again - Blame the ref - Blame everyone once more for good measure
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 14:42:58 GMT
LJG His results are bad- I agree. His attitude is bad- No-disagree-his attitude is first class, the players are questionable. As regards what he says it is the truth- the club has been poorly run by the Manager and TW since GC left. Even most supporters could see that the squad was totally imbalanced and also there was a question mark over the fitness of some players. We seemed to have an abundance of midfield players but Upson was the only one with much in thhe way of experience and that did not fill me with confidence. The fact we had about 7 left backs and three strikers ,none of whom had a record for scoring goals in this division was all mentioned pre season and then when it proved to be correct Tisdale came in and signed us a goalkeeper who was not much better than JVS and another full back. Is there much you disagree with what JB has said? I feel the negligence displayed BEFORER he came in is little short of disgusting and the only way we could have reversed the trend was bringing in somebody like Neil Wornack who would have quite a few out of contract players who he would "call on" to help him out. New players was the only way we were going to stay up. I see no point whatsoever now in p0aying off another Managers contract before giving him a fair chance to bring his own players in. I disagree with all of the criticisms he has levelled at the club in the press yes. Whether or not there is truth to them (lets face it you don't know and nor does anyone else outside the club) is irrelevant. Those are conversations for within the organisation not to the press week in week out. If you think publicly slagging the organisation that pays your wages every single Monday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday is a first class attitude, I'm glad we don't work together.
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Post by stevek192 on Apr 20, 2021 15:07:51 GMT
But we do know he's right LJG. If we supporters can see it then he is hardly showing a bad attitude. It is no different than loads on here loved to hear from DC week in week out.
Its hardly ground breaking to say in public that a team that is totally imbalanced has not been put together negligently. Did you not see that this was the case LJG??? How can you say you disagree with them all and then say others don't know because you obviously don't either!
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Post by alanrg on Apr 20, 2021 15:45:18 GMT
I agree with what the manager says about calling out people the truth always hurts roll on 10th May let the big clear out begin
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 15:47:22 GMT
But we do know he's right LJG. If we supporters can see it then he is hardly showing a bad attitude. It is no different than loads on here loved to hear from DC week in week out. Its hardly ground breaking to say in public that a team that is totally imbalanced has not been put together negligently. Did you not see that this was the case LJG??? How can you say you disagree with them all and then say others don't know because you obviously don't either! You don't know. You don't know anything. Who are the medical staff that are underperforming and what are the issues they've caused? Who are the coaches that have failed and what is it that entitles you to say they've failed? You don't know. If you're talking solely about his comments about the squad - he knew the squad before he came in, he'd watched the DVDs remember? So he should keep his comments about that issue- which he was well aware of before he joined- for behind closed doors and shut his mouth about everything else apart from what happens on the pitch in front of the camera. I can say that I disagree with him publicly slagging the club to the press because I've seen him publicly slag the club to the press. The only thing I need to know to say I disagree with that is that he slags the club to the press.
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Post by alanrg on Apr 20, 2021 15:56:16 GMT
I can give u one coach who has spectacular failed Jack Mesure when Garner was sacked he should have gone with him
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 15:57:23 GMT
I can give u one coach who has spectacular failed Jack Mesure when Garner was sacked he should have gone with him You're just saying that because you're a Mesure hater with a personal grudge against Jack Mesure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2021 16:05:16 GMT
But we do know he's right LJG. If we supporters can see it then he is hardly showing a bad attitude. It is no different than loads on here loved to hear from DC week in week out. Its hardly ground breaking to say in public that a team that is totally imbalanced has not been put together negligently. Did you not see that this was the case LJG??? How can you say you disagree with them all and then say others don't know because you obviously don't either! You don't know. You don't know anything. Who are the medical staff that are underperforming and what are the issues they've caused? Who are the coaches that have failed and what is it that entitles you to say they've failed? You don't know. If you're talking solely about his comments about the squad - he knew the squad before he came in, he'd watched the DVDs remember? So he should keep his comments about that issue- which he was well aware of before he joined- for behind closed doors and shut his mouth about everything else apart from what happens on the pitch in front of the camera. I can say that I disagree with him publicly slagging the club to the press because I've seen him publicly slag the club to the press. The only thing I need to know to say I disagree with that is that he slags the club to the press. Maybe stevek192 does know - players talk about what's going on in their work environment, the same as the rest of us do. They've not had to sign the Official Secrets Act.
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 16:07:57 GMT
You don't know. You don't know anything. Who are the medical staff that are underperforming and what are the issues they've caused? Who are the coaches that have failed and what is it that entitles you to say they've failed? You don't know. If you're talking solely about his comments about the squad - he knew the squad before he came in, he'd watched the DVDs remember? So he should keep his comments about that issue- which he was well aware of before he joined- for behind closed doors and shut his mouth about everything else apart from what happens on the pitch in front of the camera. I can say that I disagree with him publicly slagging the club to the press because I've seen him publicly slag the club to the press. The only thing I need to know to say I disagree with that is that he slags the club to the press. Maybe stevek192 does know - players talk about what's going on in their work environment, the same as the rest of us do. They've not had to sign the Official Secrets Act. They wouldn't have to, Joey does enough blabbing to the press for all of them. If stevek does know he'll be able to answer my questions.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 20, 2021 17:00:55 GMT
But we do know he's right LJG. If we supporters can see it then he is hardly showing a bad attitude. It is no different than loads on here loved to hear from DC week in week out. Its hardly ground breaking to say in public that a team that is totally imbalanced has not been put together negligently. Did you not see that this was the case LJG??? How can you say you disagree with them all and then say others don't know because you obviously don't either! You don't know. You don't know anything. Who are the medical staff that are underperforming and what are the issues they've caused? Who are the coaches that have failed and what is it that entitles you to say they've failed? You don't know. If you're talking solely about his comments about the squad - he knew the squad before he came in, he'd watched the DVDs remember? So he should keep his comments about that issue- which he was well aware of before he joined- for behind closed doors and shut his mouth about everything else apart from what happens on the pitch in front of the camera. I can say that I disagree with him publicly slagging the club to the press because I've seen him publicly slag the club to the press. The only thing I need to know to say I disagree with that is that he slags the club to the press. Unless Barton is breaking the terms of his contract he can really say what he likes, he doesn't have seek your opinion before he speaks, if you don't like what he has to say, then simply don't listen to his interviews, it can't be that hard to avoid them.
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 17:19:27 GMT
You don't know. You don't know anything. Who are the medical staff that are underperforming and what are the issues they've caused? Who are the coaches that have failed and what is it that entitles you to say they've failed? You don't know. If you're talking solely about his comments about the squad - he knew the squad before he came in, he'd watched the DVDs remember? So he should keep his comments about that issue- which he was well aware of before he joined- for behind closed doors and shut his mouth about everything else apart from what happens on the pitch in front of the camera. I can say that I disagree with him publicly slagging the club to the press because I've seen him publicly slag the club to the press. The only thing I need to know to say I disagree with that is that he slags the club to the press. Unless Barton is breaking the terms of his contract he can really say what he likes, he doesn't have seek your opinion before he speaks, if you don't like what he has to say, then simply don't listen to his interviews, it can't be that hard to avoid them. As usual, Topper its not really anything to do with whether I like it or whether he's breaking hi is contract. Don't know if you've noticed but there are 20 odd blokes who rely on him saying the right things to help them do their job better... the players, remember them? Not to mention the public image of the club to potential young supporters or, if it were ever needed, investors. You don't know that there isn't an american land developer considering coming in on a stadium project. They could hear Joey talking his Gordon Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares sh** and think "Oh dear, do I really want to be associated with this organisation"? Excusing blatant unprofessional behaviour by saying "you don't have to listen to it" is just a nonsense response. Whether I listen or not (I don't any more) is irrelevant.
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Post by chilly1883 on Apr 20, 2021 21:27:39 GMT
your embarrassing yourself 🤣 *you're sad little man😂
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Post by LJG on Apr 20, 2021 21:32:13 GMT
Who? Joey Barton? Or you?
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