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Post by Langford Gas on Apr 22, 2021 17:06:02 GMT
I'm not quite with you Jomo ? My view is a large number of our squad do not have the ability or enough character to play at league 1 level. I also think (and not directed at you) but people get hung up on players from a higher level, I know of plenty of players who have played at an higher level and have been carried by better players around them and the three you mention above could fit into that category esp Ehmer No worries Langford, I think perhaps we're both just misunderstanding what we each mean! Either way one thing is for sure, the signings we made have by and large failed to perform to the level required for L1, and have massively fallen below expectations. The biggest guilty parties in this for me have been Westbrooke, Ehmer, Oztumer and Baldwin. All of which should have been key players for us not only to survive, but to thrive. Yes I agree, i would excuse Oz as he was sick with Covid for a period but the others have been a massive let down. |
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Post by theduke on Apr 22, 2021 17:17:45 GMT
I don't understand this "yeah, but the fans though X and Y were good signings when they were announced."
So what? This argument bears no logic. The fans aren't professional scouts (though I know one or two fancy themselves to be) and aren't being paid to recruit players that were supposed to take us to the next level. Just because Ehmer looked on paper, to the layman, as a good signing or Westbrooke similar doesn't mean that we can't turn around now and point fingers at Tommy Dubya and his band of merry men for their subsequent abject failure. If you fail at your job then you suffer the consequences. Simple as.
And on a related note. Based upon Barton's comments about the unprofessionalism rampant throughout the squad, it defies belief that we seem to have totally overlooked leadership skills as a prerequisite for joining this football club. There's probably a handful of players in this squad that have the remotest bit of it and one of them is a loanee!
What we lacked more than anything this season, aside from somebody who can actually score a bloody goal, is personalities in the dressing room that don't stand for the type of rubbish we've been served up since December 2019. There should have been consequences waiting in the dressing room for those players consistently ducking out of tackles or not running hard enough. From what we can ascertain from Joey there's been no dressing room tear-ups, nobody has been sorted out by his team mates for letting the side down. Players have been allowed to duck out of challenges and nothing is said afterwards except by the coaching staff.
What was that game a couple of months back when Westbrooke sh!t out of the tackle on the edge of the box? Lad goes on to bang it top bins. What do you think the team of Jones and Holloway would have made of that after the game?
It's beyond a joke. Clear the lot out.
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Post by theduke on Apr 22, 2021 17:18:23 GMT
No worries Langford, I think perhaps we're both just misunderstanding what we each mean! Either way one thing is for sure, the signings we made have by and large failed to perform to the level required for L1, and have massively fallen below expectations. The biggest guilty parties in this for me have been Westbrooke, Ehmer, Oztumer and Baldwin. All of which should have been key players for us not only to survive, but to thrive. Yes I agree, i would excuse Oz as he was sick with Covid for a period but the others have been a massive let down. he was terrible even before COVID to be fair. total non-entity this season. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 22, 2021 18:37:22 GMT
Yes I agree, i would excuse Oz as he was sick with Covid for a period but the others have been a massive let down. he was terrible even before COVID to be fair. total non-entity this season. Surely he's also the player asking the linesman to tell him when he could stop fasting? |
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Post by theduke on Apr 22, 2021 18:46:32 GMT
he was terrible even before COVID to be fair. total non-entity this season. Surely he's also the player asking the linesman to tell him when he could stop fasting? Wasn't it the linesman himself who asked Joey to tell him when he could stop fasting? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 22, 2021 18:46:47 GMT
he was terrible even before COVID to be fair. total non-entity this season. Surely he's also the player asking the linesman to tell him when he could stop fasting? Thought it was the linesman asking that of Joey, rather than a player. |
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Post by Blackbeard on Apr 22, 2021 21:53:41 GMT
I'd love to be a fly on the wall the next time Barton and Widdrington are in the same room. He has absolutely destroyed Widdrington in that interview, just without literally saying his name. There can be no doubt whatsoever, that Wael has a big decision to make, because it is 100% untenable that Barton and Widdrington can remain at the club together from now on. In fact, Barton's rants about the makeup of the team could literally not be more at odds with the club's so-called strategy for sustainable development. How on earth will Wael play this? Will we actually completely throw our sustainable model out of the window? It’s a perfect strategy for Jb it’s not his team he can say what he likes. Yes, he’s presided over a relegation but had no opportunity to bring players in to resolve the downward spiral . He has huge mitigating circumstances that like it or not are reasonable. No transfer windows, injuries and lack of any recognised goal scorer. so he wants full autonomy. He will either get that or the sack. He can’t lose . What he cannot do is sit in the middle ground he’s smarter than a fox that man . Back him |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2021 6:47:24 GMT
I'm not quite with you Jomo ? My view is a large number of our squad do not have the ability or enough character to play at league 1 level. I also think (and not directed at you) but people get hung up on players from a higher level, I know of plenty of players who have played at an higher level and have been carried by better players around them and the three you mention above could fit into that category esp Ehmer No worries Langford, I think perhaps we're both just misunderstanding what we each mean! Either way one thing is for sure, the signings we made have by and large failed to perform to the level required for L1, and have massively fallen below expectations. The biggest guilty parties in this for me have been Westbrooke, Ehmer, Oztumer and Baldwin. All of which should have been key players for us not only to survive, but to thrive. Just looking that those individuals raises concerns, Westbrook struggled to get into the Coventry side after January, it was suggested by Gills fans that Ehmer's co central defender was the far better player and he needed to be played alongside a big CH, Baldwin had been loaned out to Salford and Oztumer had hardly played any football for 2 season's. Added to that Hanlan had only scored 4 goals and we were expecting Ayunga to step up from NLS. Last January we seemed to sign some decent players, Ogogo, Davis and JCH, god knows what went on last summer, probably ran out of (ex) Coventry players to sign after Westbrook? |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Apr 23, 2021 7:03:23 GMT
No worries Langford, I think perhaps we're both just misunderstanding what we each mean! Either way one thing is for sure, the signings we made have by and large failed to perform to the level required for L1, and have massively fallen below expectations. The biggest guilty parties in this for me have been Westbrooke, Ehmer, Oztumer and Baldwin. All of which should have been key players for us not only to survive, but to thrive. Just looking that those individuals raises concerns, Westbrook struggled to get into the Coventry side after January, it was suggested by Gills fans that Ehmer's co central defender was the far better player and he needed to be played alongside a big CH, Baldwin had been loaned out to Salford and Oztumer had hardly played any football for 2 season's. Added to that Hanlan had only scored 4 goals and we were expecting Ayunga to step up from NLS. Last January we seemed to sign some decent players, Ogogo, Davis and JCH, god knows what went on last summer, probably ran out of (ex) Coventry players to sign after Westbrook? That was of course the January before. The following January we signed Barrett (lol), Harries (lol - someone on BBC Having a Gas was saying they’d keep him yesterday - really? ), Daly (TBC), then a series of loans including Timmy Abraham. I know what went wrong. We let Garner have a go. He had a wet lettuce strategy |
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Post by lpgas1 on Apr 23, 2021 17:39:32 GMT
Harries, I remember in his first game he twice sliced the ball across the goal. I thought "he looks crap". This was after hearing Widdrington say he was the best prospect in league one for a centre half. It was then I thought Widdrington wasn't all there in the head.
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 17:41:22 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. It’s just waffle nonsense. Other than the first day when the cameras were in town has he ever been on the training pitch?? |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Apr 23, 2021 18:24:00 GMT
“If you take a lot of players from below this level, then you’re asking for it. We never did that at Fleetwood, it was either at the level or above and why? Because it’s very difficult to ask lots of people, to step up at the same time. It’s not football manager where you buy a 21 or 22-year-old and he sorts it out, this is real, professional football.” I’m a bit confused by this remark to be honest. I get what he’s saying about the 21, 22 year old thing but only Jonah Ayunga and David Tutonda came from a level below Rovers and Tutonda has barely started. The rest came from League One or Championship clubs with the exception of Grant and McCormick that came from Chelsea and Sam Nicholson who came from the MLS. It’s just factually incorrect. It’s just waffle nonsense. Other than the first day when the cameras were in town has he ever been on the training pitch?? What a ridiculous thing to say... |
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 18:26:09 GMT
It’s just waffle nonsense. Other than the first day when the cameras were in town has he ever been on the training pitch?? What a ridiculous thing to say... Is it? Ever seen JB on the training ground? |
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Post by oldie on Apr 23, 2021 18:34:35 GMT
What a ridiculous thing to say... Is it? Ever seen JB on the training ground? Sits in a deckchair re reading the first chapter of a book on psychobabble, whilst consulting with his barrister on his court case. The players...if they were not confused when he joined, they are now. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2021 18:39:28 GMT
What a ridiculous thing to say... Is it? Ever seen JB on the training ground? Unless you're a club employee how would see any manager on the training ground, it's not like the club are showing the training sessions on iFollow. Although according to Almondsbury Gas, who uploads the pictures of the Quarters development on Twitter, JB takes the training sessions. |
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Post by carlts2020 on Apr 23, 2021 18:40:46 GMT
Is it? Ever seen JB on the training ground? Unless you're a club employee how would see any manager on the training ground, it's not like the club are showing the training sessions on iFollow. Although according to Almondsbury Gas, who uploads the pictures of the Quarters development on Twitter, JB takes the training sessions. That’s fine then. I’m sure you are right. |
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Post by Jomo on Apr 23, 2021 18:56:36 GMT
Unless you're a club employee how would see any manager on the training ground, it's not like the club are showing the training sessions on iFollow. Although according to Almondsbury Gas, who uploads the pictures of the Quarters development on Twitter, JB takes the training sessions. That’s fine then. I’m sure you are right. Were you genuinely implying that JB doesn't take training? |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Apr 23, 2021 19:28:20 GMT
What a ridiculous thing to say... Is it? Ever seen JB on the training ground? Ben, shouldn’t you be concentrating on your new job, rather than trolling Rovers fans on this forum? |
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Post by Gassy on Apr 23, 2021 20:43:36 GMT
That’s fine then. I’m sure you are right. Were you genuinely implying that JB doesn't take training? Tbf, a lot of top managers don't "take" training, I believe. They leave that for the head coaches. Maybe thats how carlts Ben managed to convince Wael on his management experience? |
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Post by aforce on Apr 23, 2021 21:01:33 GMT
In a way next season is a relatively simple job for jb and I think he knows this. He easily has the best gk in the division, also Sam Nicholson arguably the best technical player in l2 next season. That’s almost the hard yards done just need to compliment this and you could be runaway league winners. With those two fit all season I would fancy us staying up this season.
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