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Post by stevek192 on Jun 8, 2021 7:19:14 GMT
The problem with this case is not what happened but who was involved. If this had been most other Managers it would have been cleared up at the time- probably three quarters of the managers in the League would not be capable of running down the tunnel. I would suggest that JB was running to get to the changing room before his players and that the tunnel would be quite busy however it could also have been quite sparse. Without seeing any video we do not know. For this type of incident I would imagine that there are not going to be many around with a non biased opinion- a bit like a car accident with no witnesses other than those involved. As has been seen on here any reactions are likely to be exaggerated and biased after the event. You would assume that the jury will have no interest in football. It will be interesting to see what JB has to say on the incident and also Mr Stendel. I would imagine JB starts off with a big disadvantage but we will see.
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Post by peterparker on Jun 8, 2021 7:28:40 GMT
The problem with this case is not what happened but who was involved. If this had been most other Managers it would have been cleared up at the time- probably three quarters of the managers in the League would not be capable of running down the tunnel. I would suggest that JB was running to get to the changing room before his players and that the tunnel would be quite busy however it could also have been quite sparse. Without seeing any video we do not know. For this type of incident I would imagine that there are not going to be many around with a non biased opinion- a bit like a car accident with no witnesses other than those involved. As has been seen on here any reactions are likely to be exaggerated and biased after the event. You would assume that the jury will have no interest in football. It will be interesting to see what JB has to say on the incident and also Mr Stendel. I would imagine JB starts off with a big disadvantage but we will see. I mean that can be applied many ways and at the moment all is speculation until the evidence is presented. What happened after the injury occured. JB says he was unaware of what happened. Did anyone from Barnsley knock on the door to let anyone from Fleetwood and JB know what happened so it could possibly be sorted it out. Did a Barnsley employee just find the nearest copper? We have all seen the footage of Joey trying to leave and being prevented from doing so.
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Post by lpgas1 on Jun 8, 2021 23:11:24 GMT
I think it was the ref who pushed him !!!!
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Post by phillistine on Jun 9, 2021 7:00:01 GMT
i think that its time that common sense prevailed and everyone gets on with their life. Surely the 2 parties should agree that JB issues a statement to the effect that he didn't realise that he had knocked Standel over and if he did so - then he apologizes for the injuries caused. Maybe he should make a "without prejudice" goodwill donation on the basis that this will be less than the legal fees and Mr Standel does not need to return to the UK. Move on and lessons learned by everyone
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 9, 2021 7:47:03 GMT
I’ve no idea about what actually happened. And whilst the trial was going on it was best to let justice take its course so I kept out of it. But now it has been ceased, I don’t think common sense comes into it. JB has said he’s innocent when it happened and throughout the wait. On Monday he reiterated that plea of innocence. He’s hardly going to come out now and say “you know what, perhaps I brushed against him and sent him flying....” He’s a man who appears to be very determined and his determination to prove his innocence is important to him so the justice system will take its course. He hasn’t hired one of the best defence lawyers there is just to change his plea. I’ve no idea what happened and neither has anyone else, lots of assumptions and presumptions are being made and people’s prejudice for and against will determine opinions but we’ll need to let the system grind to an end. But I’d be very surprised if JB admitted any guilt at this stage or allowed common sense to intervene. I don’t know him but I think I’ve began to see the way he s so determined. UTG!
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Post by pucklegas on Jun 9, 2021 8:58:20 GMT
Due to the time delays I would be arguing that it is an abuse of process to re arrange, and not in the public interests.
My godson suffered a fractured jaw in an off the ball elbow in a football match and the Police did not prosecute.
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Post by curlywurly on Jun 9, 2021 11:11:30 GMT
Due to the time delays I would be arguing that it is an abuse of process to re arrange, and not in the public interests. My godson suffered a fractured jaw in an off the ball elbow in a football match and the Police did not prosecute. From the evidence reported to date in the trial, I would tend to agree. Very interesting that reporting of the incident and the swathe of opinion on social media since has tended to grossly exaggerate what had happened. Barton or someone else runs past Stendel who is knocked off balance, there is no subsequent confrontation and despite a number of people being in the vicinity, only one witness - an intern - suggests that this was a deliberate act. Supporting evidence that Barton's handshake was too firm at a previous match (?) and Stendel playing the "I no speak eenglish" card, despite plenty of video evidence of good command of the language.
My observation right or wrong, is that if it wasn't Joey Barton, this wouldn't have gone to court.
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Post by SleepyGas on Jun 9, 2021 11:18:38 GMT
Stendel playing the "I no speak eenglish" card, despite plenty of video evidence of good command of the language. I don't really get why the language thing is relevant to the case at all? He was either deliberately shoved into iron railings or he wasn't.. not sure why the prosecution or defence would waste time trying to establish his grasp of English at the time? So bizarre.
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on Jun 9, 2021 11:21:15 GMT
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Post by pucklegas on Jun 9, 2021 11:28:33 GMT
Due to the time delays I would be arguing that it is an abuse of process to re arrange, and not in the public interests. My godson suffered a fractured jaw in an off the ball elbow in a football match and the Police did not prosecute. From the evidence reported to date in the trial, I would tend to agree. Very interesting that reporting of the incident and the swathe of opinion on social media since has tended to grossly exaggerate what had happened. Barton or someone else runs past Stendel who is knocked off balance, there is no subsequent confrontation and despite a number of people being in the vicinity, only one witness - an intern - suggests that this was a deliberate act. Supporting evidence that Barton's handshake was too firm at a previous match (?) and Stendel playing the "I no speak eenglish" card, despite plenty of video evidence of good command of the language.
My observation right or wrong, is that if it wasn't Joey Barton, this wouldn't have gone to court. Bang on the money, what happened we now know was miles away from initial reports, only 2 people know what happened that day
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Post by baggins on Jun 9, 2021 11:30:10 GMT
From the evidence reported to date in the trial, I would tend to agree. Very interesting that reporting of the incident and the swathe of opinion on social media since has tended to grossly exaggerate what had happened. Barton or someone else runs past Stendel who is knocked off balance, there is no subsequent confrontation and despite a number of people being in the vicinity, only one witness - an intern - suggests that this was a deliberate act. Supporting evidence that Barton's handshake was too firm at a previous match (?) and Stendel playing the "I no speak eenglish" card, despite plenty of video evidence of good command of the language.
My observation right or wrong, is that if it wasn't Joey Barton, this wouldn't have gone to court. Bang on the money, what happened we now know was miles away from initial reports, only 2 people know what happened that day Joey & Topper?
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Post by pucklegas on Jun 9, 2021 11:30:51 GMT
Stendel playing the "I no speak eenglish" card, despite plenty of video evidence of good command of the language. I don't really get why the language thing is relevant to the case at all? He was either deliberately shoved into iron railings or he wasn't.. not sure why the prosecution or defence would waste time trying to establish his grasp of English at the time? So bizarre. Judge is saying he didn't understand the cross examination , and has managed Hearts sorry Big jock 😂😂
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Post by pucklegas on Jun 9, 2021 11:31:51 GMT
Bang on the money, what happened we now know was miles away from initial reports, only 2 people know what happened that day Joey & Topper? 😂😂😂😂😂 button fully pressed Bags
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Post by curlywurly on Jun 9, 2021 11:35:51 GMT
Stendel playing the "I no speak eenglish" card, despite plenty of video evidence of good command of the language. I don't really get why the language thing is relevant to the case at all? He was either deliberately shoved into iron railings or he wasn't.. not sure why the prosecution or defence would waste time trying to establish his grasp of English at the time? So bizarre. Me neither.
From what has been presented in court, the reporting at the time is pretty wide of the mark:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 11:49:22 GMT
Bang on the money, what happened we now know was miles away from initial reports, only 2 people know what happened that day Joey & Topper? Crying..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2021 12:24:39 GMT
Nigel Pearson tried once to///
a) headbutt James McArthur b) choke James McArthur c) perform a strange act of banter on James McArthur d) all of the above
During a game ... in front of a world wide audience.
James McArthur (who speaks English) did not take Pearson to court - instead Big Nige was given a three game stadium ban and a four game touchline ban. No CPS involvement / No crying from Palace -
Yet here ... despite only one person allegedly seeing 'something' its in court - Whole thing Stinks!
Didn't hear many of the Red crowd moaning about Pearson being a bad example to Children or wonderful clean living fans ( probably because there are so few of them)
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 9, 2021 13:58:25 GMT
Thanks 1883. If Stendel found it hard to come over for this trial I bet that date, smack bang in the middle of the season equally as hard. UTG!
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Post by wider on Jun 9, 2021 15:47:52 GMT
Interesting choice of date isn’t it. A Friday during the season - has the judge chosen a difficult time on purpose thinking this shouldn’t really be in front of him? What would happen if Stendel doesn’t want to come? Will/can he be made to? Will Stendel want to now he’s been exposed to Csoka (Joey’s brief) and his line of questioning? I suspect Csoka was putting doubt in the jury’s minds regarding his grasp of the truth rather than English. He seems reasonably fluent (not great, mind) in some videos so why is he saying he doesn’t know or doesn’t remember. Csoka is a top barrister and expensive, the CPS guy isn’t. Joey only needs about three of the jury on his side for this to be thrown out. My experience (as foreman of a jury on a complex affray case) would say he’ll get off on what purports to be the evidence at the first hearing. The accused is given the benefit of the doubt in the law of England and Wales (which this is) and is innocent till proven guilty. Is this going to be proven? I’m with those that say it shouldn’t have gotten this far and probably only has because it’s Joey. Given the total nonsense that was in the press at the time I can’t really see how Joey can get a fair trial either - can you actually find 12 people that haven’t heard anything? His reputation is his biggest drawback.
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