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Post by rememberhalifax on Jun 7, 2021 16:02:58 GMT
I have just started reading JBs autobiography and i have to say that he grew up in an environment which is totally alien to me and i suspect a lot of posters on here. I would defy anyone whom reads it not to have a better understanding of why he is the character he is and why he should be given some credit for achieving what he has because it would have been so easy for him to end up in a far worse place than he now finds himself. IMHO he has done brilliantly to limit his troubles to date and i for one will continue to back him in his personal fight to lead a better life and in his professional life as he tries to lead us to better times, best of luck JB today and in the future . Don't be daft. 1) Autobiographies are manipulated to display the version of oneself that they want to portray. 2) He's committed offence after offence. By that measuring stick, you're saying he can do pretty much anything he likes and take it all the way back to his childhood. At some point in life you have to stand up tall and take responsibility for your life and your actions. 1) I am not daft, where and the environment JB grew up in is not a manipulation but a fact ,and even someone with your apparently limited intelligence should try and understand what it takes to survive in such circumstances , he does not seek to give a rose tinted version of himself or make excuses, he just tries to convey the reasons he became the person he is, so that intelligent people have the information needed to make an informed judgement. Nowhere have i said or indicated that he can do anything he like's without any consequences, all i have said that IMHO he has risen far above where he could have been at this stage in his life, plenty of his early life acquaintances have not made it this far, and though he is far from perfect he has made great strides to counter his demons, i wish him further success in that sphere as we all do , don't we?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 16:20:12 GMT
Thats not my point.... How many members of the jury will do a quick joey Barton google search tonight? They will be in a hotel and if caught doing that would be thrown off the jury, they are not allowed to talk to anyone or read anything that could prejudice their decision. They won't be in a hotel they will be at home watching The Chase by now.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 7, 2021 16:28:38 GMT
Two threads on the same sh** again FFS
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 7, 2021 16:31:41 GMT
When he joined there were lots of posts stating that his misdemeanours were in the past and he was innocent until proven guilty. I’m curious how people will feel if he is found guilty whilst at work in his previous job, while representing the club, assaulting another team’s manager. It would therefore mean he was both guilty and it was a current offence. Regardless of whether he spends any time inside, if found guilty, how would people feel? Personally and posting from my own experience, as I was up for both ABH and GBH, then if found guilty & by a crown court then I would feel justice needs to be done. I felt the same when it was me in the dock. When I was found not guilty, I was overwhelmed as all it takes is for their to be doubt or something that is a technicality, for the case to be dropped. In my case there were conflicting witness statements. The court will also take into account the plea as, if he plead not guilty to something that he was guilty of then that is also taken into account. As for his past, regardless of the amount of time between his last offence, the court will be well aware if it, even if spent. Looking at the bigger picture and that if our club, I hope that this is dealt with with haste so we don’t have the sword of Damocles hanging over Mr Barton and the club. Ultra :-)
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 7, 2021 16:32:29 GMT
Two threads on the same sh** again FFS In fairness, one is a match day thread.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Jun 7, 2021 16:36:12 GMT
Two threads on the same sh** again FFS In fairness, one is a match day thread. For the love of JB please merge
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jun 7, 2021 16:41:56 GMT
Don't be daft. 1) Autobiographies are manipulated to display the version of oneself that they want to portray. 2) He's committed offence after offence. By that measuring stick, you're saying he can do pretty much anything he likes and take it all the way back to his childhood. At some point in life you have to stand up tall and take responsibility for your life and your actions. 1) I am not daft, where and the environment JB grew up in is not a manipulation but a fact ,and even someone with your apparently limited intelligence should try and understand what it takes to survive in such circumstances , he does not seek to give a rose tinted version of himself or make excuses, he just tries to convey the reasons he became the person he is, so that intelligent people have the information needed to make an informed judgement. Nowhere have i said or indicated that he can do anything he like's without any consequences, all i have said that IMHO he has risen far above where he could have been at this stage in his life, plenty of his early life acquaintances have not made it this far, and though he is far from perfect he has made great strides to counter his demons, i wish him further success in that sphere as we all do , don't we? Well said , I too have read his book found it very honest and thought provoking . Far too many judgemental people just longing for him to fail 🙁 Utg 💙
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Jun 7, 2021 17:05:52 GMT
Personally and posting from my own experience, as I was up for both ABH and GBH, then if found guilty & by a crown court then I would feel justice needs to be done. I felt the same when it was me in the dock. When I was found not guilty, I was overwhelmed as all it takes is for their to be doubt or something that is a technicality, for the case to be dropped. In my case there were conflicting witness statements. The court will also take into account the plea as, if he plead not guilty to something that he was guilty of then that is also taken into account. As for his past, regardless of the amount of time between his last offence, the court will be well aware if it, even if spent. Looking at the bigger picture and that if our club, I hope that this is dealt with with haste so we don’t have the sword of Damocles hanging over Mr Barton and the club. Ultra :-) Guilty your honour. I don’t talk of it as if it is something I am proud of. It’s something I wish I didn’t get involved in as it made job interviews very difficult but I can’t rewrite history. I’m ashamed of it, now
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Post by meadgas on Jun 7, 2021 17:13:58 GMT
They will be in a hotel and if caught doing that would be thrown off the jury, they are not allowed to talk to anyone or read anything that could prejudice their decision. They won't be in a hotel they will be at home watching The Chase by now. A jury has to stay isolated until the case is over, unless they have changed the law since i did jury service.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 17:27:53 GMT
In fairness, one is a match day thread. For the love of JB please merge Sorry, I started the matchday thread, as I thought it would be easier for people to follow what was happening in court, without having to wade through the same old points about JB being debated again. Quite happy for the mods to merge - I ain't precious!
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Jun 7, 2021 17:46:58 GMT
They won't be in a hotel they will be at home watching The Chase by now. A jury has to stay isolated until the case is over, unless they have changed the law since i did jury service. I sat on a jury for a trial that lasted for 4 days at Middlesex Guildhall in 2001 adjourned at 5pm every day, then left to our own devices, we were on trust that we wouldn’t discuss the case. In 1988 I sat on a jury for a two day case at Acton Crown Court. Again we went home overnight.
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Post by phillistine on Jun 7, 2021 18:19:27 GMT
so my reading of the notes is that the prosecution has not mentioned talk of a punch or a headbutt as mentioned here. They have presented videos which show that Stendel was in the tunnel and the video shook a little as an unnamed person seemed to run into the tunnel from behind Stendell and veer towards him before passing him by. As he did so Stendell feel into the wall and injured himself. it is the analyst who identified that person as being JB and commented that he knew of no reason why JB should be running as people don't do that in the players tunnel. Hardly the brutal attack being showed on here .it happens on the p[itch very regulalrly but the difference is that there is no waLL and the player would be booked or sent off depending upon the referee. i accept that i may have simplified it a little and in truth it is the severity of the push which will determine whether he is guilty of assault or not
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 7, 2021 18:29:27 GMT
so my reading of the notes is that the prosecution has not mentioned talk of a punch or a headbutt as mentioned here. They have presented videos which show that Stendel was in the tunnel and the video shook a little as an unnamed person seemed to run into the tunnel from behind Stendell and veer towards him before passing him by. As he did so Stendell feel into the wall and injured himself. it is the analyst who identified that person as being JB and commented that he knew of no reason why JB should be running as people don't do that in the players tunnel. Hardly the brutal attack being showed on here .it happens on the p[itch very regulalrly but the difference is that there is no waLL and the player would be booked or sent off depending upon the referee. i accept that i may have simplified it a little and in truth it is the severity of the push which will determine whether he is guilty of assault or not If what the prosecution allege is proven Barton basically ran and pushed an opposing manager into the metal tunnel stanchion causing Stendel to lose a tooth, are you trying to defend Barton by saying that's not a violent act?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 7, 2021 18:30:57 GMT
A jury has to stay isolated until the case is over, unless they have changed the law since i did jury service. I sat on a jury for a trial that lasted for 4 days at Middlesex Guildhall in 2001 adjourned at 5pm every day, then left to our own devices, we were on trust that we wouldn’t discuss the case. In 1988 I sat on a jury for a two day case at Acton Crown Court. Again we went home overnight. This is clearly how jury's are run on cases of this nature.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 7, 2021 18:41:45 GMT
I have just started reading JBs autobiography and i have to say that he grew up in an environment which is totally alien to me and i suspect a lot of posters on here. I would defy anyone whom reads it not to have a better understanding of why he is the character he is and why he should be given some credit for achieving what he has because it would have been so easy for him to end up in a far worse place than he now finds himself. IMHO he has done brilliantly to limit his troubles to date and i for one will continue to back him in his personal fight to lead a better life and in his professional life as he tries to lead us to better times, best of luck JB today and in the future . Don't be daft. 1) Autobiographies are manipulated to display the version of oneself that they want to portray. 2) He's committed offence after offence. By that measuring stick, you're saying he can do pretty much anything he likes and take it all the way back to his childhood. At some point in life you have to stand up tall and take responsibility for your life and your actions. Problem is it sounds like he'll never learn, if he's found not guilty then you sense it won't be long before Barton sees the red mist again, once an opposition manager etc goads him. It's surprising Wael's ever employed him given that we've always portraited ourselves as a family club, one which recently went beyond the norm to support local communities during lockdown. If Barton if found guilty how can he not avoid a lengthy ban from the FA?
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Post by brfclee on Jun 7, 2021 18:48:16 GMT
They won't be in a hotel they will be at home watching The Chase by now. A jury has to stay isolated until the case is over, unless they have changed the law since i did jury service. I think Jury Sequestration is only reserved for the most high profile, most heinous type of crimes. Most Juries, I think, are told to go home and isolate from anything to do with the case.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 18:50:56 GMT
They won't be in a hotel they will be at home watching The Chase by now. A jury has to stay isolated until the case is over, unless they have changed the law since i did jury service. Really? I’d be surprised if that’s how it works. I can’t believe a jury on a huge case which could lasts months means a juror stays isolated from friends and family for all that time.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 7, 2021 18:56:28 GMT
A jury has to stay isolated until the case is over, unless they have changed the law since i did jury service. Really? I’d be surprised if that’s how it works. I can’t believe a jury on a huge case which could lasts months means a juror stays isolated from friends and family for all that time. It doesn't enough of us have sat on similar jury's, and had family/friends who have, to know they just go home each day, even when considering the verdict at the end of a trial if they can't reach one by the end of the day.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jun 7, 2021 19:03:09 GMT
A jury has to stay isolated until the case is over, unless they have changed the law since i did jury service. I think Jury Sequestration is only reserved for the most high profile, most heinous type of crimes. Most Juries, I think, are told to go home and isolate from anything to do with the case. That was exactly what happened when I did jury service (which I hated ) at Bristol Crown Court .🙃
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Post by meadgas on Jun 7, 2021 19:29:46 GMT
A jury has to stay isolated until the case is over, unless they have changed the law since i did jury service. I think Jury Sequestration is only reserved for the most high profile, most heinous type of crimes. Most Juries, I think, are told to go home and isolate from anything to do with the case. Fair enough, i may be getting confused with reaching a verdict, we were told if we didn't reach a verdict by end of day we would be put up in a hotel for the night.
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