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Post by olskooltoteender on May 27, 2021 21:38:10 GMT
And how many of us have joined in singing “Where’s your caravan?” To the likes of George Boyd & JJO’T when they’ve played against us at the Mem?
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Post by orgasmic on May 27, 2021 22:05:52 GMT
And how many of us have joined in singing “Where’s your caravan?” To the likes of George Boyd & JJO’T when they’ve played against us at the Mem? Normally sung at players with long hair rather than Irish people but I take your general point that we’re all guilty of lazy stereotypes from time to time.
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Post by pirate on May 27, 2021 22:14:45 GMT
As an Irishman now residing back home in the emerald isle I'm well used to anti-Irish sentiment in Britain: whether it's conscious or subconscious. I would suggest "pikey" has entered the vernacular to such an extent that people don't even realise it's offensive. I would suspect Finley was one of those people and had no idea as to the severity of such a comment, directed toward an Irish person he didn't know, and as such an 8 game ban and an educational course are perfect punishments to fit that particular crime. Why berate a young man who said something silly, paid for it with a ban and has educated himself and learned from it? I would suggest that A) that's a perfect role model and B) Why do we always look to find something negative in new signings? I obviously don't speak for all Irish people, but I don't think I know anyone who would be adverse to signing someone who learns from their errors. UTG Now I think about it, it's quite ironic considering the name Finley is of Gaelic origin
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Post by phillistine on May 27, 2021 22:40:51 GMT
The irony to this of course that the kids will only learn about this incident because people insist on raking up old news. it doesnt make it right of course but if you think this is a new phenomenom then sadly you are mistaken. Lots of stuff went on in the past but there was no social media and people got away with it. Anything that would put your opponent off would be fair game
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Post by warehamgas on May 27, 2021 23:23:30 GMT
This role model thing is a bit strange and is something aimed at players who fans might not like. It’s great to have good role models in sport and when they step out of line in a major way or when it’s heavily publicised it can be damaging but I’m not sure that’s the case in Leagues 1 or 2, the coverage isn’t that wide. I know young players will copy players on a football field, I’ve organised, refereed enough school and youth football matches to see them copying what they see on TV or in live football but that’s completely all stuff they see on a football field. Dissent, arguing and name-calling is not to be tolerated but parents are a far bigger influence in what young payers do on a football field and with youth coaches and sports teachers are far more important in making clear expectations on a football field. UTG!
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Post by Congas on May 28, 2021 4:58:54 GMT
Three quarters of the Liverpool population has Irish ancestry and as his surname is from the Gaelic Fionnlagh (Old Irish Findlaech) it looks like the pot calling the kettle black.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 28, 2021 5:01:02 GMT
As an Irishman now residing back home in the emerald isle I'm well used to anti-Irish sentiment in Britain: whether it's conscious or subconscious. I would suggest "pikey" has entered the vernacular to such an extent that people don't even realise it's offensive. I would suspect Finley was one of those people and had no idea as to the severity of such a comment, directed toward an Irish person he didn't know, and as such an 8 game ban and an educational course are perfect punishments to fit that particular crime. Why berate a young man who said something silly, paid for it with a ban and has educated himself and learned from it? I would suggest that A) that's a perfect role model and B) Why do we always look to find something negative in new signings? I obviously don't speak for all Irish people, but I don't think I know anyone who would be adverse to signing someone who learns from their errors. UTG Finley denied using the term "pikey" and that appears to have been accepted by the FA.
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Post by Langford Gas on May 28, 2021 6:05:19 GMT
As an Irishman now residing back home in the emerald isle I'm well used to anti-Irish sentiment in Britain: whether it's conscious or subconscious. I would suggest "pikey" has entered the vernacular to such an extent that people don't even realise it's offensive. I would suspect Finley was one of those people and had no idea as to the severity of such a comment, directed toward an Irish person he didn't know, and as such an 8 game ban and an educational course are perfect punishments to fit that particular crime. Why berate a young man who said something silly, paid for it with a ban and has educated himself and learned from it? I would suggest that A) that's a perfect role model and B) Why do we always look to find something negative in new signings? I obviously don't speak for all Irish people, but I don't think I know anyone who would be adverse to signing someone who learns from their errors. UTG I think this is a good well balanced post, I always find it difficult when we talk of role models in sport when quite often esp the stellar stars are barely in their 20's .I'm pretty sure i was'n t capable of being a role model for anyone at that age ! Anyone who has played football at any level should know a lot gets said during a game, to try and get into someone's head plus you get pinched, kicked and punched and you give it out, its part and parcel of the game and after you all end up in the players bar having a drink , 6 months later you might be team mates. I accept it might be considered offensive by some but truly believe that largely these things should be left in the 90 minutes. Genuine question, and I ask this with some irish blood in me , now you are back in the Emerald Isle how do you find the Anti-British sentiment there ?
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Post by chilly1883 on May 28, 2021 6:28:44 GMT
He’s not replying back then? Next!
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Post by gregsy on May 28, 2021 6:32:56 GMT
When I went to Ireland I was accused of having an English accent....
Which was a head * for a Bristolian....
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Post by goodnightirene1883 on May 28, 2021 7:43:12 GMT
From what I hear, and the small amount I have watched, his playing style/effort/grit might actually be something that the football playing kids can role themselves on. I know the comments that led to the ban are what is the topic of conversation here but I we have a player that gives 110% for the badge in Sam Finley - a ball winner, loves a tackle, a decent passer that will get us on the front foot and not forgetting the edge of the box 2nd ball volley type guy.
I am looking forward to seeing him play in our new look team for sure
UTG
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Post by bluebiro on May 28, 2021 8:32:11 GMT
And how many of us have joined in singing “Where’s your caravan?” To the likes of George Boyd & JJO’T when they’ve played against us at the Mem? Eastwood at southend used to get it all the time Wonder how many on here joined in but now want to hold the moral high ground.
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Post by olskooltoteender on May 28, 2021 8:49:22 GMT
And how many of us have joined in singing “Where’s your caravan?” To the likes of George Boyd & JJO’T when they’ve played against us at the Mem? Eastwood at southend used to get it all the time Wonder how many on here joined in but now want to hold the moral high ground. Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 9:01:28 GMT
As an Irishman now residing back home in the emerald isle I'm well used to anti-Irish sentiment in Britain: whether it's conscious or subconscious. I would suggest "pikey" has entered the vernacular to such an extent that people don't even realise it's offensive. I would suspect Finley was one of those people and had no idea as to the severity of such a comment, directed toward an Irish person he didn't know, and as such an 8 game ban and an educational course are perfect punishments to fit that particular crime. Why berate a young man who said something silly, paid for it with a ban and has educated himself and learned from it? I would suggest that A) that's a perfect role model and B) Why do we always look to find something negative in new signings? I obviously don't speak for all Irish people, but I don't think I know anyone who would be adverse to signing someone who learns from their errors. UTG I think this is a good well balanced post, I always find it difficult when we talk of role models in sport when quite often esp the stellar stars are barely in their 20's .I'm pretty sure i was'n t capable of being a role model for anyone at that age ! Anyone who has played football at any level should know a lot gets said during a game, to try and get into someone's head plus you get pinched, kicked and punched and you give it out, its part and parcel of the game and after you all end up in the players bar having a drink , 6 months later you might be team mates. I accept it might be considered offensive by some but truly believe that largely these things should be left in the 90 minutes. Genuine question, and I ask this with some irish blood in me , now you are back in the Emerald Isle how do you find the Anti-British sentiment there ? Great question. I have to say I see very little "anti" British. There's certainly a lot of care taken by those who deem themselves Irish in the North to have it understood they're Irish - but that's not to say they are anti-British or hate British people, they just don't want a British rule in Ireland. The phrase "Brits out" doesn't refer to people, it refers to the state. It's complicated. Then obviously you've the unionists who are very pro-British and they're roughly 50% of the people in The North (albeit that number is dwindling). I think in the Republic you've people who could not care less about Britain, people who feel oppressed by the presence of Britain and people who find the compromise of the Good Friday Agreement to be sacrosanct. But for what it's worth, I've never had any issues with having my Bristolian accent anywhere here- people are delighted the Irish are heading home in the numbers they are. Sadly, a nuanced view of personal politics never makes the news in The UK - it's always The Troubles and Trafficking.
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Post by socrates on May 28, 2021 9:22:36 GMT
Just seen this on the daily mail and thought it might interest peeps on ‘ere www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52369355As someone with bit Oirish in me , I find his remarks about caravans and the like deeply offensive ! Yet the club employs a person with deeply xenophobic views ? That coupled with employing a criminal , really tarnishes are rep im afraid to say . Used to be a family club, but now families will be turning away in disgust . Been supporting since the great smash n grab in the mid seventies and i want my club back mike If any parents kids are looking to professional footballers as role models then perhaps they should look at what kind of job they’re doing as a parent. Footballers are young lads most have their brains in their feet an hardly the kind of people I’d want my children looking to as role models. I’m glad to say that my daughter looks to my wife and myself , her teachers etc as role models. Their are a few professional footballers who do great things other than kick a ball about but they are very few and far between. If Finley is a good football player for our football club then that’s what matters. Forget the role model nonsense.
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Post by ThisCharmingMan on May 28, 2021 9:27:03 GMT
I think this is a good well balanced post, I always find it difficult when we talk of role models in sport when quite often esp the stellar stars are barely in their 20's .I'm pretty sure i was'n t capable of being a role model for anyone at that age ! Anyone who has played football at any level should know a lot gets said during a game, to try and get into someone's head plus you get pinched, kicked and punched and you give it out, its part and parcel of the game and after you all end up in the players bar having a drink , 6 months later you might be team mates. I accept it might be considered offensive by some but truly believe that largely these things should be left in the 90 minutes. Genuine question, and I ask this with some irish blood in me , now you are back in the Emerald Isle how do you find the Anti-British sentiment there ? Great question. I have to say I see very little "anti" British. There's certainly a lot of care taken by those who deem themselves Irish in the North to have it understood they're Irish - but that's not to say they are anti-British or hate British people, they just don't want a British rule in Ireland. The phrase "Brits out" doesn't refer to people, it refers to the state. It's complicated. Then obviously you've the unionists who are very pro-British and they're roughly 50% of the people in The North (albeit that number is dwindling). I think in the Republic you've people who could not care less about Britain, people who feel oppressed by the presence of Britain and people who find the compromise of the Good Friday Agreement to be sacrosanct. But for what it's worth, I've never had any issues with having my Bristolian accent anywhere here- people are delighted the Irish are heading home in the numbers they are. Sadly, a nuanced view of personal politics never makes the news in The UK - it's always The Troubles and Trafficking. Interesting read. Thanks for your nuanced insights!
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Post by lpgas1 on May 28, 2021 14:44:15 GMT
Just seen this on the daily mail and thought it might interest peeps on ‘ere www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52369355As someone with bit Oirish in me , I find his remarks about caravans and the like deeply offensive ! Yet the club employs a person with deeply xenophobic views ? That coupled with employing a criminal , really tarnishes are rep im afraid to say . Used to be a family club, but now families will be turning away in disgust . Been supporting since the great smash n grab in the mid seventies and i want my club back mike Best stay away for a few years, and just to say Pikeys are not a race, nor do they come from Pikeland
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Post by bluebiro on May 28, 2021 14:50:30 GMT
Dont tell them your name pike
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 28, 2021 15:27:21 GMT
"Accrington midfielder Sam Finley has been banned for eight matches by the Football Association for using abusive language towards an opponent"
Big deal........ I do that every single game
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on May 28, 2021 19:03:21 GMT
We've got such a moral bunch following But are they .? Mmmmmm I wonder !
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