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Post by Quarters on May 28, 2021 8:08:43 GMT
There chairman also saying we need to develop young players to generate income. www.bbc.com/sport/football/57267129Forest Green Rovers have appointed England Under-16s boss Rob Edwards as their new head coach. "We wanted to move away from the recruitment merry-go-round of been-there-and-done-it league managers to focus on coaches at the cutting edge of the game," Vince added. "Rob and Richie Kyle bring an understanding and openness to all aspects of coaching - like sports science and analytics." |
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Post by bluegas on May 28, 2021 8:31:37 GMT
A touch of deja vu.
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Post by daniel300380 on May 28, 2021 8:46:25 GMT
There chairman also saying we need to develop young players to generate income. www.bbc.com/sport/football/57267129Forest Green Rovers have appointed England Under-16s boss Rob Edwards as their new head coach. "We wanted to move away from the recruitment merry-go-round of been-there-and-done-it league managers to focus on coaches at the cutting edge of the game," Vince added. "Rob and Richie Kyle bring an understanding and openness to all aspects of coaching - like sports science and analytics." Garner didn’t work out, but every manager stays somewhere! Some new managers have done well, wasn’t Blackpool’s manager Liverpool’s youth coach??? Barton had no experience, before Fleetwood. Edward’s has plenty of playing experience. Every manager starts somewhere, even Pep, Klopp etc. So we can’t write off every new manager and say they are the same as Garner. |
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Post by percy on May 28, 2021 8:53:46 GMT
Also, if we hadn't bottled it before even given the great new way, one more transfer window...
Not saying he should have been appointed, or not sacked, but having committed to the new way, you have to then hold your nerve for a couple of seasons.
FGR probably under less pressure, so good luck to them
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Post by stevek192 on May 28, 2021 9:03:46 GMT
It is very easy now we have been relegated to say we shouldn't have bottled it with Garner! Did you feel that way at the time he was sacked? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It is difficult to compare situations at different clubs. Garner tore the club apart and went almost entirely with inexperienced players. In some positions ie left back he must have signed every inexperienced left back available. Had he shown a similar approach to the attacking positions he might have done much better. FGR may go about it in a more balanced way.
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Post by pirate on May 28, 2021 9:34:52 GMT
It is very easy now we have been relegated to say we shouldn't have bottled it with Garner! Did you feel that way at the time he was sacked? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It is difficult to compare situations at different clubs. Garner tore the club apart and went almost entirely with inexperienced players. In some positions ie left back he must have signed every inexperienced left back available. Had he shown a similar approach to the attacking positions he might have done much better. FGR may go about it in a more balanced way. "Went almost entirely with inexperienced players"? But he didn't. We started the season with a 34-year-old, a 32-year-old, a 27-year-old and a 28-year-old in the side for the first game. The squad had plenty of experience, it was a lack of quality that was the problem. As Widdrington said, against Accrington when we got thumped 6-1 "we took to the field at Accrington Stanley with 950 plus starts in League One. They had 450." Maybe if the board had sanctioned the move for 20 goal Piggott last summer it would have helped alleviate the club record total of games without scoring too. . |
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Post by percy on May 28, 2021 9:37:27 GMT
It is very easy now we have been relegated to say we shouldn't have bottled it with Garner! Did you feel that way at the time he was sacked? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It is difficult to compare situations at different clubs. Garner tore the club apart and went almost entirely with inexperienced players. In some positions ie left back he must have signed every inexperienced left back available. Had he shown a similar approach to the attacking positions he might have done much better. FGR may go about it in a more balanced way. You dont appear to have read what I said. Not saying he shouldnt have been sacked (at the time i thought it was odd timing, having not done it in the summer, christmas or jan would have made sense) but my point was it is a commitment to a new way. If you really believe in it, stick with it through the hard times. (could have replaced him with a similar coach if convinced he was not the right person). |
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 28, 2021 10:02:11 GMT
It is very easy now we have been relegated to say we shouldn't have bottled it with Garner! Did you feel that way at the time he was sacked? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It is difficult to compare situations at different clubs. Garner tore the club apart and went almost entirely with inexperienced players. In some positions ie left back he must have signed every inexperienced left back available. Had he shown a similar approach to the attacking positions he might have done much better. FGR may go about it in a more balanced way. "Went almost entirely with inexperienced players"? But he didn't. We started the season with a 34-year-old, a 32-year-old, a 27-year-old and a 28-year-old in the side for the first game. The squad had plenty of experience, it was a lack of quality that was the problem. As Widdrington said, against Accrington when we got thumped 6-1 "we took to the field at Accrington Stanley with 950 plus starts in League One. They had 450." Maybe if the board had sanctioned the move for 20 goal Piggott last summer it would have helped alleviate the club record total of games without scoring too. . Exactly. Meanwhile Posh pay 1million for one and are set to make several millions on top of that within 12 months....and 2 leagues higher. |
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Post by RD on May 28, 2021 10:05:40 GMT
"Went almost entirely with inexperienced players"? But he didn't. We started the season with a 34-year-old, a 32-year-old, a 27-year-old and a 28-year-old in the side for the first game. The squad had plenty of experience, it was a lack of quality that was the problem. As Widdrington said, against Accrington when we got thumped 6-1 "we took to the field at Accrington Stanley with 950 plus starts in League One. They had 450." Maybe if the board had sanctioned the move for 20 goal Piggott last summer it would have helped alleviate the club record total of games without scoring too. . Exactly. Meanwhile Posh pay 1million for one and are set to make several millions on top of that within 12 months....and 2 leagues higher. Just shows doesn't it - sometimes you've got to spend money to make money. Personally I don't think there was anything wrong with our planned "DNA"/approach - but we needed to INVEST in young quality - not freebie youngsters from Prem clubs, but very hot 21 year old prospects from non-league for 200k for example. No guarantees obviously, but THAT is the model Posh adopted - not our bargain basement approach. Don't get me wrong, you can no doubt find some, but you have to expect you'll find a load of guff too. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 28, 2021 10:11:17 GMT
Exactly. Meanwhile Posh pay 1million for one and are set to make several millions on top of that within 12 months....and 2 leagues higher. Just shows doesn't it - sometimes you've got to spend money to make money. Personally I don't think there was anything wrong with our planned "DNA"/approach - but we needed to INVEST in young quality - not freebie youngsters from Prem clubs, but very hot 21 year old prospects from non-league for 200k for example. No guarantees obviously, but THAT is the model Posh adopted - not our bargain basement approach. Don't get me wrong, you can no doubt find some, but you have to expect you'll find a load of guff too. Posh are really good at 2 things; seeing players potential and promoting their players to get the most for them when sold. They really do their homework and sign players with confidence that they will be able to sell them on for more money. Like him or loathe him McAnthony has a big media presence and touts his players as the next big thing etc and they get the big offers that we dont. In addition, players sign for Posh knowing that even though they dont pay the big bucks, they have a good track record of fine tuning players for the bigger leagues. We have none of that really, tummy tickle time every time an offer comes in for ours. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2021 11:39:42 GMT
There chairman also saying we need to develop young players to generate income. www.bbc.com/sport/football/57267129Forest Green Rovers have appointed England Under-16s boss Rob Edwards as their new head coach. "We wanted to move away from the recruitment merry-go-round of been-there-and-done-it league managers to focus on coaches at the cutting edge of the game," Vince added. "Rob and Richie Kyle bring an understanding and openness to all aspects of coaching - like sports science and analytics." Garner didn’t work out, but every manager stays somewhere! Some new managers have done well, wasn’t Blackpool’s manager Liverpool’s youth coach??? Barton had no experience, before Fleetwood. Edward’s has plenty of playing experience. Every manager starts somewhere, even Pep, Klopp etc. So we can’t write off every new manager and say they are the same as Garner. Steve Cooper is surely the most recent standout young coach who has become a manager. Wrexham youth, Liverpool youth, England under 16, England under 17 and then Swansea manager. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 28, 2021 11:57:31 GMT
It is very easy now we have been relegated to say we shouldn't have bottled it with Garner! Did you feel that way at the time he was sacked? Hindsight is a wonderful thing. It is difficult to compare situations at different clubs. Garner tore the club apart and went almost entirely with inexperienced players. In some positions ie left back he must have signed every inexperienced left back available. Had he shown a similar approach to the attacking positions he might have done much better. FGR may go about it in a more balanced way. "Went almost entirely with inexperienced players"? But he didn't. We started the season with a 34-year-old, a 32-year-old, a 27-year-old and a 28-year-old in the side for the first game. The squad had plenty of experience, it was a lack of quality that was the problem. As Widdrington said, against Accrington when we got thumped 6-1 "we took to the field at Accrington Stanley with 950 plus starts in League One. They had 450." Maybe if the board had sanctioned the move for 20 goal Piggott last summer it would have helped alleviate the club record total of games without scoring too. . Maybe Piggot would have just told us to do one, as he was not going to play under a clown like Garner and potentially ruin his career? |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 28, 2021 12:04:26 GMT
"My conversations with the chairman were incredibly positive, and showed we'll get the time and support we need to go on a winning journey."
I wonder how much time he'll get if they are languishing in mid table with little prospects of making the top 7 next December?
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 28, 2021 12:11:44 GMT
"My conversations with the chairman were incredibly positive, and showed we'll get the time and support we need to go on a winning journey." I wonder how much time he'll get if they are languishing in mid table with little prospects of making the top 7 next December? That's pretty much the time i'll be looking to judge him too. No excuses now with his own players coming in. Although... Blackpool this season will always stick in my head as they managed to improve after Christmas and could potentially go up. |
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Post by pirate on May 28, 2021 12:18:52 GMT
Similar to what I said with the appointment of Matthew Taylor at Walsall, I'd rather go down this route than some of the same old tired names that usually get linked to every job going.
"We wanted to move away from the recruitment merry-go-round of been-there-and-done-it league managers to focus on coaches at the cutting edge of the game," Vince added.
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Post by pirate on May 28, 2021 12:23:25 GMT
There chairman also saying we need to develop young players to generate income. Same as what Barton said about himself on a recent podcast, hence giving debuts to 17 players aged 20 or under during his time at Fleetwood. |
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Post by Quarters on May 28, 2021 12:55:11 GMT
There chairman also saying we need to develop young players to generate income. Same as what Barton said about himself on a recent podcast, hence giving debuts to 17 players aged 20 or under during his time at Fleetwood. While now signing two over 30year olds!!  Not sure what our plan is now, all-in for promotion then if that works another reset? |
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Post by pirate on May 28, 2021 13:05:41 GMT
Same as what Barton said about himself on a recent podcast, hence giving debuts to 17 players aged 20 or under during his time at Fleetwood. While now signing two over 30year olds!! Not sure what our plan is now, all-in for promotion then if that works another reset? He also signed experience at Fleetwood to get the balance between youth and experience. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on May 28, 2021 13:06:12 GMT
"My conversations with the chairman were incredibly positive, and showed we'll get the time and support we need to go on a winning journey." I wonder how much time he'll get if they are languishing in mid table with little prospects of making the top 7 next December? Personally speaking I think Wael has little choice but to stick now. He has twisted 3 times and lost. Whatever my opinion of Joseph, this is now a do or die thing and we have to all give our support and be vocal to push the club on. Wael would lose so much credibility if we sacked another manager and the clubs reputation would suffer too It’s time to get behind the club and all within it. |
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Post by warehamgas on May 28, 2021 13:11:53 GMT
The whole discussion over inexperienced players and experienced players is just not what happened with us last season. We had plenty of experience and we had youngsters, what we didn’t have was much quality and three managers found it really hard to mould what we had into a team. We had few partnerships that worked, little goal threat and no mental strength or fight when things went wrong.
Not sure there was anything wrong with the intention to sign younger players to later sell on, Posh have been doing it for years. Not sure that there was anything wrong with getting a younger coach from an academy, Blackpool did it successfully, Swansea also. What we didn’t do was make sure the players we got had other fighting qualities nor did we appoint the right academy manager. Let’s hope those responsible have done a better job with JB. Only time will tell us that.
UTG!
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