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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 10, 2021 17:45:53 GMT
Not sure why get so worked up about these friendlies. I do think they hold more relevance the closer the seasons get though, especially the last one as they tend to be against better opposition and usually want to play a team close to the one that will start the first game of the season. Not sure anybody is getting worked up, just surprised we're drawing/losing to non league sides. You have to fear another heavy defeat next week unless Plymouth do us a favour and send up their Development Squad! |
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Post by LJG on Jul 10, 2021 17:53:23 GMT
Barton now saying that he wouldn't have signed a single one of the players in this friendly squad for Fleetwood and that there were things going on even further back behind the scenes at Bisham that he didn't know about. He's now realised that this isn't actually his squad of players and he hasn't been in charge of recruitment since the end of last season at all. According to Frost he's demanding that Wael buys him one of those big foam fingers so from now on he can make it clear whose fault any other losses are. I know this is said in jest but just in case anyone actually believes it - it is a complete fabrication… Prove it. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 10, 2021 17:57:41 GMT
Not sure why get so worked up about these friendlies. I do think they hold more relevance the closer the seasons get though, especially the last one as they tend to be against better opposition and usually want to play a team close to the one that will start the first game of the season. Not sure anybody is getting worked up, just surprised we're drawing/losing to non league sides. You have to fear another heavy defeat next week unless Plymouth do us a favour and send up their Development Squad! I’m not surprised. If Joey has been working them as hard as he said he was going to, then they are going to under perform. Teams often lose to lower league teams in friendlies and go on to have good seasons. Likewise, teams have good Pre seasons and have bad seasons. Teams that work hard on there fitness, tend to have rubbish Pre seasons. Thomas even commented on how hard the session was. Whether that was this morning, before leaving, or yesterday, it will still effect the performance. |
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Post by CrispPusher on Jul 10, 2021 18:03:07 GMT
None of those midfielders will be first team players, I don’t read anything into this Westbrook will be a well paid squad member in L2 if he doesn't feature in the starting 11? The squad was all 1st team/Development Squad players, who you'd would have thought should hold their own against a National League side, I assume JB thought that as well or he would surely have sent a stronger squad. Well paid or not Westbrooke is crap. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 18:30:02 GMT
Hmmmm... don't know where to start tbh. Easier not to bother.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 10, 2021 18:57:18 GMT
Not sure why get so worked up about these friendlies. I do think they hold more relevance the closer the seasons get though, especially the last one as they tend to be against better opposition and usually want to play a team close to the one that will start the first game of the season. Not sure anybody is getting worked up, just surprised we're drawing/losing to non league sides. You have to fear another heavy defeat next week unless Plymouth do us a favour and send up their Development Squad! I don't fear anything. I'm just thinking about Southgate bringing it home tomorrow night. Come on baby! |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Jul 10, 2021 18:57:53 GMT
Don't worry about these friendly results, I'm sure things will be different once we have signed the "known proven strikers" we were promised
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 10, 2021 19:13:34 GMT
Although results of friendlies mean absolutely nothing what I find worrying is that three of our recognised strikers played today- Collins,Saunders and Ayunga and yet again managed not to score a goal against mediocre opposition. I have no confidence whatsoever that this "strikeforce" are anywhere near good enough and it looks to me that we still need to sign TWO more strikers to be anywhere near good enough.
It does not surprise me the two results taking into account the midfield that has been played so far. I don't see any of Hargreaves, Martinez, Tomlinson, Mehew or Zain Walker being good enough and you could add Biddle to those. I would release them all with the exception of Martinez. I know nothing about Hoole,Budd,Egan,Greenslade,Thompson,Murray other than I doubt any of them will be in the squad for the first game. In fact I think Westbrooke as the only real experienced midfielder on view will struggle to make the first eleven.
It does worry me that we have no experienced keeper signed yet other than Annsi and also with Hughes and Anderton in the back we have again struggled to keep out minimal opposition. Ryan Jones seems to have done OK in both games but again the opposition does not really enable him to be assessed as to being good enough for the squad.
When JB said up to nine players could be required I don't think he is far wrong and so far we gave signed three. I hope that whatev er signings we are now making will be completed by next saturday bar say one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2021 19:26:06 GMT
Bath losing to Cardiff 4.0 is oh no well it's only pre season. I'm not so sure losing 3.0 to Barnet and drawing with melksham can be dismissed in the same breath tbh. Not saying its completely the end of the world mind but slightly concerning yes.
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Post by LJG on Jul 10, 2021 19:31:55 GMT
Although results of friendlies mean absolutely nothing what I find worrying is that three of our recognised strikers played today- Collins,Saunders and Ayunga and yet again managed not to score a goal against mediocre opposition. I have no confidence whatsoever that this "strikeforce" are anywhere near good enough and it looks to me that we still need to sign TWO more strikers to be anywhere near good enough. It does not surprise me the two results taking into account the midfield that has been played so far. I don't see any of Hargreaves, Martinez, Tomlinson, Mehew or Zain Walker being good enough and you could add Biddle to those. I would release them all with the exception of Martinez. I know nothing about Hoole,Budd,Egan,Greenslade,Thompson,Murray other than I doubt any of them will be in the squad for the first game. In fact I think Westbrooke as the only real experienced midfielder on view will struggle to make the first eleven. It does worry me that we have no experienced keeper signed yet other than Annsi and also with Hughes and Anderton in the back we have again struggled to keep out minimal opposition. Ryan Jones seems to have done OK in both games but again the opposition does not really enable him to be assessed as to being good enough for the squad. When JB said up to nine players could be required I don't think he is far wrong and so far we gave signed three. I hope that whatev er signings we are now making will be completed by next saturday bar say one. You can't criticise, Barton. Stevek will be along in a minute to put you right ... hang on a second!!! |
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on Jul 10, 2021 19:45:48 GMT
Bath losing to Cardiff 4.0 is oh no well it's only pre season. I'm not so sure losing 3.0 to Barnet and drawing with melksham can be dismissed in the same breath tbh. Not saying its completely the end of the world mind but slightly concerning yes. Did you see the Melksham game? There's no way that the 2 sides we put out in that game were anything more than JB seeing if those players were good enough, apart from the new players we signed, where he was being them in. Nobody should read anything into any result until the first game of the season, as these games are not about winning at all, just about learning about the squad, combinations of players and fitness levels. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 11, 2021 6:29:43 GMT
Bath losing to Cardiff 4.0 is oh no well it's only pre season. I'm not so sure losing 3.0 to Barnet and drawing with melksham can be dismissed in the same breath tbh. Not saying its completely the end of the world mind but slightly concerning yes. Did you see the Melksham game? There's no way that the 2 sides we put out in that game were anything more than JB seeing if those players were good enough, apart from the new players we signed, where he was being them in. Nobody should read anything into any result until the first game of the season, as these games are not about winning at all, just about learning about the squad, combinations of players and fitness levels. I was just about to say the same thing. The new signings aside, I think it’s test games for players like Jones, Hargreaves, Ayunga and Jed Ward to see how they have come back from relegation, how fit they are, and whether they are going to another club either on loan or permanently. JB did say it was the relegation players that were under threat coming into PST and I think he’s giving them every opportunity. Don’t forget the JB, Hill and Manganese have done plenty of PST themselves so will know exactly what to do and expect. |
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Post by Jomo on Jul 11, 2021 6:36:06 GMT
Did you see the Melksham game? There's no way that the 2 sides we put out in that game were anything more than JB seeing if those players were good enough, apart from the new players we signed, where he was being them in. Nobody should read anything into any result until the first game of the season, as these games are not about winning at all, just about learning about the squad, combinations of players and fitness levels. I was just about to say the same thing. The new signings aside, I think it’s test games for players like Jones, Hargreaves, Ayunga and Jed Ward to see how they have come back from relegation, how fit they are, and whether they are going to another club either on loan or permanently. JB did say it was the relegation players that were under threat coming into PST and I think he’s giving them every opportunity. Don’t forget the JB, Hill and Manganese have done plenty of PST themselves so will know exactly what to do and expect. I know he didn't set the world alight last season, but I really hope we keep Ayunga. I do believe he will come good, especially now that we've dropped a level. Some of his performances near the beginning of Joey's tenure were electric, and if he'd have been able to add one or two goals in that time, we may have seen a different player for the remainder of the season. If's and but's of course, but I think we'd live to regret letting him go. |
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 11, 2021 6:43:49 GMT
Its about the fitness levels, let's start analysing the results after 10 league games, pre season means nothing, plenty of times we have won tough friendly matches then started poorly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 8:18:38 GMT
Its about the fitness levels, let's start analysing the results after 10 league games, pre season means nothing, plenty of times we have won tough friendly matches then started poorly. We do this every season and I'm not sure if it is a good strategy tbh. Pre-season should mean something otherwise what is the point? Fitness and checking players out can be done amongst the squad. If we are setting 'competitive' games and we aren't competitive against local/non league opposition it doesn't look very good. Player for player we should be better. Fitness wise we should be fitter. Our coaches should be more qualified than Rich Fey and his team. Our players should want to prove that they are more capable than plumbers and carpet fitters. I don't think writing off PS games is healthy at all tbph. I appreciate there are no points at stake etc but winning and building confidence in success should be part of our mindset from the very start of PS. Imo. |
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Post by herbertblake on Jul 11, 2021 8:43:57 GMT
It's the hope that kills you.
To be frank any professional league club should give Melksham and Barnet a pasting. Scoring once and conceding four is poor. I am sorry a winning mentality Ned's to be adopted Joey states he does not to hang around with losers!
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Post by LJG on Jul 11, 2021 8:55:33 GMT
Its about the fitness levels, let's start analysing the results after 10 league games, pre season means nothing, plenty of times we have won tough friendly matches then started poorly. Clubs who are trying to win the league don't waste the first ten league games. I say this every season. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jul 11, 2021 9:01:38 GMT
I can't believe some of the stuff I'm reading on here. Yes we lost to Barnet in a closed door pre season friendly that was set up last minute. We play a side with maybe 3 first team regulars and filled of players with the majority of them that won't appear in the first team squad and will probably get sent out on loan or be part of the development squad.
Why should we be beating sides like Barnet when we play a team that isn't far off that level and have just come of a hard week of training I really don't understand the reaction of some. If it was a proper 1st team squad that included the majority of the new signings then I can understand the concern but what was put out yesterday will not in any way reflect the team that will play the first league game of the season.
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Post by keygas on Jul 11, 2021 9:11:21 GMT
How many points do you get for winning a friendly? Looking at the sides we put out yesterday I will be surprised if more than 3 of those players are in the starting 11 for the first game at Mansfield.
I rather read that we picked up no injuries than that we have won a meaningless match.
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Post by phillistine on Jul 11, 2021 9:24:32 GMT
if you watch the Luke Thomas video he also said about the fact that he wants to get on the pitch but jokingly commented that he was grateful that he missed the friday training session as it looked really tough. Hardly the ideal preparation to win a match 24 hours later if indeed that was a priority. it was just agtraining session - though i must admit that it would have been nice if a striker was able to demonstrate that they are feeling sharp
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