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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 11, 2021 10:16:28 GMT
Its about the fitness levels, let's start analysing the results after 10 league games, pre season means nothing, plenty of times we have won tough friendly matches then started poorly. We do this every season and I'm not sure if it is a good strategy tbh. Pre-season should mean something otherwise what is the point? Fitness and checking players out can be done amongst the squad. If we are setting 'competitive' games and we aren't competitive against local/non league opposition it doesn't look very good. Player for player we should be better. Fitness wise we should be fitter. Our coaches should be more qualified than Rich Fey and his team. Our players should want to prove that they are more capable than plumbers and carpet fitters. I don't think writing off PS games is healthy at all tbph. I appreciate there are no points at stake etc but winning and building confidence in success should be part of our mindset from the very start of PS. Imo. The point is being able to perform better, once the league starts. The fitness man that came in from Burnley, helped them win a lot of games in the last ten minutes. Work them hard in training now, they will suffer during Pre season matches. But hopefully they will finish games stronger, when it matters. Would you rather us take it easy, before playing non league teams?? Ensuring we perform well against them, but then have the same fitness levels as last season??
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 11, 2021 10:20:37 GMT
I accept everybodys points but the truth is that our youngsters and the players who were borderline first team players last season such as Hargreaves, Mehew, Tomlinson, Hoole, Jones etc are not very good at all and they will all probably struggle to get in a team at Barnets level so it is not really that surprising. My biggest worry was that we had three strikers who should be good enough to score goals against that level of opposition and we can only hope that thhe tough training prevented them from expressing themselves. My own feeling is that we are still 2 strikers short on the quality we need come Mansfield away and probably at least 3 ,4 or 5 players away from what JB wants. No need to be really worrying yet as hopefully in the next two weeks there will be good signs of what we can expect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2021 10:39:24 GMT
We do this every season and I'm not sure if it is a good strategy tbh. Pre-season should mean something otherwise what is the point? Fitness and checking players out can be done amongst the squad. If we are setting 'competitive' games and we aren't competitive against local/non league opposition it doesn't look very good. Player for player we should be better. Fitness wise we should be fitter. Our coaches should be more qualified than Rich Fey and his team. Our players should want to prove that they are more capable than plumbers and carpet fitters. I don't think writing off PS games is healthy at all tbph. I appreciate there are no points at stake etc but winning and building confidence in success should be part of our mindset from the very start of PS. Imo. The point is being able to perform better, once the league starts. The fitness man that came in from Burnley, helped them win a lot of games in the last ten minutes. Work them hard in training now, they will suffer during Pre season matches. But hopefully they will finish games stronger, when it matters. Would you rather us take it easy, before playing non league teams?? Ensuring we perform well against them, but then have the same fitness levels as last season?? It's an interesting one. So if we fast forward this and let's say we play 8 PS games. Our strikers don't score a single goal, we don't keep a clean sheet, yet the players are match fit. Is that OK? I'd say not.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jul 11, 2021 10:55:28 GMT
The point is being able to perform better, once the league starts. The fitness man that came in from Burnley, helped them win a lot of games in the last ten minutes. Work them hard in training now, they will suffer during Pre season matches. But hopefully they will finish games stronger, when it matters. Would you rather us take it easy, before playing non league teams?? Ensuring we perform well against them, but then have the same fitness levels as last season?? It's an interesting one. So if we fast forward this and let's say we play 8 PS games. Our strikers don't score a single goal, we don't keep a clean sheet, yet the players are match fit. Is that OK? I'd say not. Hopefully the training will ease up, before our last friendly or two. You would expect them to ease up, so they are not leggy still, when the season starts. At the moment, I expect you are training hard, even on the day of the game. It will obviously affect performance. Hopefully we won’t pick up too many injuries, working them hard.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jul 11, 2021 12:25:36 GMT
I accept everybodys points but the truth is that our youngsters and the players who were borderline first team players last season such as Hargreaves, Mehew, Tomlinson, Hoole, Jones etc are not very good at all and they will all probably struggle to get in a team at Barnets level so it is not really that surprising. My biggest worry was that we had three strikers who should be good enough to score goals against that level of opposition and we can only hope that thhe tough training prevented them from expressing themselves. My own feeling is that we are still 2 strikers short on the quality we need come Mansfield away and probably at least 3 ,4 or 5 players away from what JB wants. No need to be really worrying yet as hopefully in the next two weeks there will be good signs of what we can expect. 3 strikers playing and I would imagine had very limited service looking at that midfield. Yes we are probably an experienced striker away from what we need but if we had one here and he played yesterday I would imagine the score would been similar.
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 11, 2021 14:35:11 GMT
Its about the fitness levels, let's start analysing the results after 10 league games, pre season means nothing, plenty of times we have won tough friendly matches then started poorly. Clubs who are trying to win the league don't waste the first ten league games. I say this every season. Agreed but not going to get worked up until the season starts, and after 10 think we should evaluate where we are, I'm expecting a good season but it ain't gonna be easy.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jul 11, 2021 15:41:38 GMT
I accept everybodys points but the truth is that our youngsters and the players who were borderline first team players last season such as Hargreaves, Mehew, Tomlinson, Hoole, Jones etc are not very good at all and they will all probably struggle to get in a team at Barnets level so it is not really that surprising. My biggest worry was that we had three strikers who should be good enough to score goals against that level of opposition and we can only hope that thhe tough training prevented them from expressing themselves. My own feeling is that we are still 2 strikers short on the quality we need come Mansfield away and probably at least 3 ,4 or 5 players away from what JB wants. No need to be really worrying yet as hopefully in the next two weeks there will be good signs of what we can expect. I dont understand why you have such a negative opinion of our young players, Hargreaves I'll accept has had opportunities but the others have 10 appearances at the most between the lot of them and yet somehow you've come to the conclusion they are all non league standard at best. Mehew was excellent in both his trophy appearances and Jones has come very highly rated. Quite why you're writing them all off so easily is a bit of a mystery to me
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Post by stevek192 on Jul 11, 2021 16:40:22 GMT
There is a reason why you sign young players from other clubs in preference to those youngsters you have on your books. Jones I am not sure about but I will be surprised if any of the others manage to get League clubs.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 11, 2021 16:52:07 GMT
There's also a reason why JB offered a few of the youngsters contract extensions last year, from memory, Tomlinson, Walker, Martinez and Mehew, he clearly sees something in them.
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Jul 11, 2021 17:16:17 GMT
There is a reason why you sign young players from other clubs in preference to those youngsters you have on your books. Jones I am not sure about but I will be surprised if any of the others manage to get League clubs. Of course if you have the opportunity to sign better players then you do so, that's the same for any club. That doesnt necessarily mean the ones already here wont have a part to play. The reality is the vast majority of young players don't make it but if a couple of those mentioned make it into our first team then for me that justifies the development squad
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Post by simonj on Jul 12, 2021 8:10:39 GMT
I see Salford City beat Atherton Collieries in a pre-season this weekend.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2021 9:47:30 GMT
I see Salford City beat Atherton Collieries in a pre-season this weekend. We would have lost and it would be fine. All about fitness, no points at stake.
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Post by lpgas1 on Jul 12, 2021 12:38:25 GMT
Frome Town are playing the development squad on Friday 27th at 7.30pm
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 12, 2021 23:02:11 GMT
I see Salford City beat Atherton Collieries in a pre-season this weekend. Yeah but the Colleries boys were a bit leggy from working down pit.
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