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Post by stevek192 on Sept 13, 2021 8:31:26 GMT
When is JB and his coaches (and there are enough of them) going to realise that football is a simple game. I am fed up to the teeth of looking at our squad and thinking that is a bloody good squad of players but the limit of the plan seems to be to smash the ball up the pitch at every opportunity to ONE player. Goals are scored in the opposition penalty area and yet we seem to have no players other than the centre forward who gets anywhere near the penalty box other than by trying to use individual skill to get there. How many times did either Saunders, Anderson, Collins, Evans, Finley,Whelan actually get in the box? Not very many. It might be alright for England and the Manchester to play one up front wth all these wonderfful midfield and defenders backing him up but this is little Bristol Rovers and we are not playing against Manchester United or Tottenham or even Huddersfield Town - we are playing against poxy Hartleppol, Harrogated, Sutton, Oldham.Leyton Orient and whoever we have played this season I look at our squad of players and think we have a squad of individual players who have played mainly at a higher standard yet we are relying on a plan A of launching a ball up to a centre forward who we know will be marked by two or three players because all we have are wingers and deep lying midfield players who are trying to gel into what?
If we are going to resort to a plan of hoofing the ball out then fair enough but at least push players up to a front two or even three who can compete in that area.
I don't want to see Saunders making a right cock up in our penalty area- I want to see him in the opposition penalty area providing some pace alongside a centre forward who knows all the tricks of the trade- the same if he plays Collins get him into the penalty area. Evans, Anderson, Finley, Coutts, Whelan, Brown, Nicholson- these players are bloody jewels compared to most of the opposition players so why are we treating them to hovering just in front of a back four with their main duties to be the defensive side of the game? Its not gelling them Joey its bloody crucifying them! I look at a player like Jay of Exeter and hes no better than any of the midfield players that we have in fact hes an all action Stuart Sinclair and his only real aim is to get into the six yard box as soon as possible and that is what he does- he gets into the area where he can score goals.
You cannot gel a team into our present system because all our attacking players are playing in our own half and every time tbey get the ball there are no options in front of them so its a two yard pass or a 40 yard pass out wide and ev en if our wingers get the ball they only generally have one player to aim for.
Forget the eleven bac k to keep the ball out of our net how about we line up with forward players in forward positions and try battering the opposition and using our superior skills.
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Post by LJG on Sept 13, 2021 8:38:36 GMT
I thought everything was the laughing stock of a fan-base's fault?
I have to say I don't agree with this "time to gel" argument.
Watching the game on Saturday I didn't see a team that weren't playing as a unit. I thought there was a cohesive team there but it was a cohesive team without pace and without penetration.
We've been here before. In fact every time we've struggled in League Two that has been our problem.
With the benefit of that experience I don't think it's controversial to say that those are problems that don't resolve themselves without change of personel.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Sept 13, 2021 8:38:54 GMT
Hi today's SteveK have you met yesterday's SteveK?
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Post by alanrg on Sept 13, 2021 8:47:58 GMT
I agree SteveK play 2 up front and keep the ball on the ground don’t hoof it never works
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Post by gasandelectricity on Sept 13, 2021 8:51:06 GMT
I came in here excited expecting to read that the management team have had a rocket up their backsides from the board for poor performance
Disappointed to find out otherwise.
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Post by pucklegas on Sept 13, 2021 9:44:24 GMT
Dont like the disrespectful description of other teams, as this is the problem we are basement Rovers, we need to realise that we need a simple, efficient effective way to play with the squad assembled.
We do need two up top, but the failure to attract and sign a young prolific striker will mean another season of struggle, and we are not too good to go down.
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Post by thegasman on Sept 13, 2021 11:16:21 GMT
When is JB and his coaches (and there are enough of them) going to realise that football is a simple game. I am fed up to the teeth of looking at our squad and thinking that is a bloody good squad of players but the limit of the plan seems to be to smash the ball up the pitch at every opportunity to ONE player. Goals are scored in the opposition penalty area and yet we seem to have no players other than the centre forward who gets anywhere near the penalty box other than by trying to use individual skill to get there. How many times did either Saunders, Anderson, Collins, Evans, Finley,Whelan actually get in the box? Not very many. It might be alright for England and the Manchester to play one up front wth all these wonderfful midfield and defenders backing him up but this is little Bristol Rovers and we are not playing against Manchester United or Tottenham or even Huddersfield Town - we are playing against poxy Hartleppol, Harrogated, Sutton, Oldham.Leyton Orient and whoever we have played this season I look at our squad of players and think we have a squad of individual players who have played mainly at a higher standard yet we are relying on a plan A of launching a ball up to a centre forward who we know will be marked by two or three players because all we have are wingers and deep lying midfield players who are trying to gel into what? If we are going to resort to a plan of hoofing the ball out then fair enough but at least push players up to a front two or even three who can compete in that area. I don't want to see Saunders making a right cock up in our penalty area- I want to see him in the opposition penalty area providing some pace alongside a centre forward who knows all the tricks of the trade- the same if he plays Collins get him into the penalty area. Evans, Anderson, Finley, Coutts, Whelan, Brown, Nicholson- these players are bloody jewels compared to most of the opposition players so why are we treating them to hovering just in front of a back four with their main duties to be the defensive side of the game? Its not gelling them Joey its bloody crucifying them! I look at a player like Jay of Exeter and hes no better than any of the midfield players that we have in fact hes an all action Stuart Sinclair and his only real aim is to get into the six yard box as soon as possible and that is what he does- he gets into the area where he can score goals. You cannot gel a team into our present system because all our attacking players are playing in our own half and every time tbey get the ball there are no options in front of them so its a two yard pass or a 40 yard pass out wide and ev en if our wingers get the ball they only generally have one player to aim for. Forget the eleven bac k to keep the ball out of our net how about we line up with forward players in forward positions and try battering the opposition and using our superior skills. So Leyton Orient were also playing on Saturday, with 8 new starters on the pitch, managed to score 4 goals, and looked like they had managed to "gel" (what the feck does that mean anyway?). Seems its only Rovers that needs till Xmas to "gel". I am getting so ticked off with these feeble excuses. 7 games gone and performing equally as poorly as last season - with new personnel. That tells me it may not be the playing personnel that are at fault, as can be bourne out, that some of our releasees are still playing at a higher level than us. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Sept 13, 2021 11:25:37 GMT
When is JB and his coaches (and there are enough of them) going to realise that football is a simple game. I am fed up to the teeth of looking at our squad and thinking that is a bloody good squad of players but the limit of the plan seems to be to smash the ball up the pitch at every opportunity to ONE player. Goals are scored in the opposition penalty area and yet we seem to have no players other than the centre forward who gets anywhere near the penalty box other than by trying to use individual skill to get there. How many times did either Saunders, Anderson, Collins, Evans, Finley,Whelan actually get in the box? Not very many. It might be alright for England and the Manchester to play one up front wth all these wonderfful midfield and defenders backing him up but this is little Bristol Rovers and we are not playing against Manchester United or Tottenham or even Huddersfield Town - we are playing against poxy Hartleppol, Harrogated, Sutton, Oldham.Leyton Orient and whoever we have played this season I look at our squad of players and think we have a squad of individual players who have played mainly at a higher standard yet we are relying on a plan A of launching a ball up to a centre forward who we know will be marked by two or three players because all we have are wingers and deep lying midfield players who are trying to gel into what? If we are going to resort to a plan of hoofing the ball out then fair enough but at least push players up to a front two or even three who can compete in that area. I don't want to see Saunders making a right cock up in our penalty area- I want to see him in the opposition penalty area providing some pace alongside a centre forward who knows all the tricks of the trade- the same if he plays Collins get him into the penalty area. Evans, Anderson, Finley, Coutts, Whelan, Brown, Nicholson- these players are bloody jewels compared to most of the opposition players so why are we treating them to hovering just in front of a back four with their main duties to be the defensive side of the game? Its not gelling them Joey its bloody crucifying them! I look at a player like Jay of Exeter and hes no better than any of the midfield players that we have in fact hes an all action Stuart Sinclair and his only real aim is to get into the six yard box as soon as possible and that is what he does- he gets into the area where he can score goals. You cannot gel a team into our present system because all our attacking players are playing in our own half and every time tbey get the ball there are no options in front of them so its a two yard pass or a 40 yard pass out wide and ev en if our wingers get the ball they only generally have one player to aim for. Forget the eleven bac k to keep the ball out of our net how about we line up with forward players in forward positions and try battering the opposition and using our superior skills. So Leyton Orient were also playing on Saturday, with 8 new starters on the pitch, managed to score 4 goals, and looked like they had managed to "gel" (what the feck does that mean anyway?). Seems its only Rovers that needs till Xmas to "gel". I am getting so ticked off with these feeble excuses. 7 games gone and performing equally as poorly as last season - with new personnel. That tells me it may not be the playing personnel that are at fault, as can be bourne out, that some of our releasees are still playing at a higher level than us. Harry Smith also scored, his 5th of the season and joint top scorer in L2. Had no pre season at all apparently but still manages to score as many as our whole team this season... |
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Post by cj on Sept 13, 2021 11:28:06 GMT
When is JB and his coaches (and there are enough of them) going to realise that football is a simple game. I am fed up to the teeth of looking at our squad and thinking that is a bloody good squad of players but the limit of the plan seems to be to smash the ball up the pitch at every opportunity to ONE player. Goals are scored in the opposition penalty area and yet we seem to have no players other than the centre forward who gets anywhere near the penalty box other than by trying to use individual skill to get there. How many times did either Saunders, Anderson, Collins, Evans, Finley,Whelan actually get in the box? Not very many. It might be alright for England and the Manchester to play one up front wth all these wonderfful midfield and defenders backing him up but this is little Bristol Rovers and we are not playing against Manchester United or Tottenham or even Huddersfield Town - we are playing against poxy Hartleppol, Harrogated, Sutton, Oldham.Leyton Orient and whoever we have played this season I look at our squad of players and think we have a squad of individual players who have played mainly at a higher standard yet we are relying on a plan A of launching a ball up to a centre forward who we know will be marked by two or three players because all we have are wingers and deep lying midfield players who are trying to gel into what? If we are going to resort to a plan of hoofing the ball out then fair enough but at least push players up to a front two or even three who can compete in that area. I don't want to see Saunders making a right cock up in our penalty area- I want to see him in the opposition penalty area providing some pace alongside a centre forward who knows all the tricks of the trade- the same if he plays Collins get him into the penalty area. Evans, Anderson, Finley, Coutts, Whelan, Brown, Nicholson- these players are bloody jewels compared to most of the opposition players so why are we treating them to hovering just in front of a back four with their main duties to be the defensive side of the game? Its not gelling them Joey its bloody crucifying them! I look at a player like Jay of Exeter and hes no better than any of the midfield players that we have in fact hes an all action Stuart Sinclair and his only real aim is to get into the six yard box as soon as possible and that is what he does- he gets into the area where he can score goals. You cannot gel a team into our present system because all our attacking players are playing in our own half and every time tbey get the ball there are no options in front of them so its a two yard pass or a 40 yard pass out wide and ev en if our wingers get the ball they only generally have one player to aim for. Forget the eleven bac k to keep the ball out of our net how about we line up with forward players in forward positions and try battering the opposition and using our superior skills. Exactly Steve. This, among other things he has done at our club, is why I do not rate him as a manager and why I do not trust him to fix things. We are just wasting games and time the longer we keep him. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2021 11:28:41 GMT
Hi today's SteveK have you met yesterday's SteveK? It doesn't matter We are just a laughing stock...the fans that is |
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2021 11:31:20 GMT
I thought everything was the laughing stock of a fan-base's fault? I have to say I don't agree with this "time to gel" argument. Watching the game on Saturday I didn't see a team that weren't playing as a unit. I thought there was a cohesive team there but it was a cohesive team without pace and without penetration. We've been here before. In fact every time we've struggled in League Two that has been our problem. With the benefit of that experience I don't think it's controversial to say that those are problems that don't resolve themselves without change of personel. Allegedly we have taken so long to gel, the gel has become glue and the players ankles are stuck together. Would explain the injuries in training. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2021 11:33:23 GMT
When is JB and his coaches (and there are enough of them) going to realise that football is a simple game. I am fed up to the teeth of looking at our squad and thinking that is a bloody good squad of players but the limit of the plan seems to be to smash the ball up the pitch at every opportunity to ONE player. Goals are scored in the opposition penalty area and yet we seem to have no players other than the centre forward who gets anywhere near the penalty box other than by trying to use individual skill to get there. How many times did either Saunders, Anderson, Collins, Evans, Finley,Whelan actually get in the box? Not very many. It might be alright for England and the Manchester to play one up front wth all these wonderfful midfield and defenders backing him up but this is little Bristol Rovers and we are not playing against Manchester United or Tottenham or even Huddersfield Town - we are playing against poxy Hartleppol, Harrogated, Sutton, Oldham.Leyton Orient and whoever we have played this season I look at our squad of players and think we have a squad of individual players who have played mainly at a higher standard yet we are relying on a plan A of launching a ball up to a centre forward who we know will be marked by two or three players because all we have are wingers and deep lying midfield players who are trying to gel into what? If we are going to resort to a plan of hoofing the ball out then fair enough but at least push players up to a front two or even three who can compete in that area. I don't want to see Saunders making a right cock up in our penalty area- I want to see him in the opposition penalty area providing some pace alongside a centre forward who knows all the tricks of the trade- the same if he plays Collins get him into the penalty area. Evans, Anderson, Finley, Coutts, Whelan, Brown, Nicholson- these players are bloody jewels compared to most of the opposition players so why are we treating them to hovering just in front of a back four with their main duties to be the defensive side of the game? Its not gelling them Joey its bloody crucifying them! I look at a player like Jay of Exeter and hes no better than any of the midfield players that we have in fact hes an all action Stuart Sinclair and his only real aim is to get into the six yard box as soon as possible and that is what he does- he gets into the area where he can score goals. You cannot gel a team into our present system because all our attacking players are playing in our own half and every time tbey get the ball there are no options in front of them so its a two yard pass or a 40 yard pass out wide and ev en if our wingers get the ball they only generally have one player to aim for. Forget the eleven bac k to keep the ball out of our net how about we line up with forward players in forward positions and try battering the opposition and using our superior skills. I stopped reading after the line "JB and his coaches" Clearly an oxymoron |
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Post by baggins on Sept 13, 2021 11:45:12 GMT
Got as far as "coaches".
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Post by oldie on Sept 13, 2021 12:53:43 GMT
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Post by axegas on Sept 13, 2021 13:05:25 GMT
So we’re not allowed to criticise unless SteveK says we’re allowed to criticise. Got it.
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Post by stuart1974 on Sept 13, 2021 13:46:25 GMT
When adjusting to new players or opposition, we need to get the basics right before we get too over complicated.
Four at the back, two upfront and a midfield adjusted as necessary but including at least one of; someone with pace as an outlet, someone with confidence on the ball to feed the strikers and someone who is able to chase the game and break up the opposition midfield.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2021 13:57:15 GMT
I thought everything was the laughing stock of a fan-base's fault? I have to say I don't agree with this "time to gel" argument. Watching the game on Saturday I didn't see a team that weren't playing as a unit. I thought there was a cohesive team there but it was a cohesive team without pace and without penetration. We've been here before. In fact every time we've struggled in League Two that has been our problem. With the benefit of that experience I don't think it's controversial to say that those are problems that don't resolve themselves without change of personel. “Time to gel” doesn’t matter if your tactics are sh** |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2021 14:45:28 GMT
Dont like the disrespectful description of other teams, as this is the problem we are basement Rovers, we need to realise that we need a simple, efficient effective way to play with the squad assembled. We do need two up top, but the failure to attract and sign a young prolific striker will mean another season of struggle, and we are not too good to go down. Saunders looks like he's got the potential to be a young proflic striker but he's now playing LWB! |
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 13, 2021 15:09:22 GMT
For me the biggest mistake we are making is playing with one up front. It is NEVER going to work especially if the ball is just aimlessly pumped up to whoever is up there. We need to become an attacking side and quick.
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Post by nailseamark on Sept 13, 2021 15:37:51 GMT
Oh not this time to gel rubbish again I’m getting Buckle flash backs… I can see orange lines and a faint smell of vo5!
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