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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 13, 2021 19:25:14 GMT
For me the biggest mistake we are making is playing with one up front. It is NEVER going to work especially if the ball is just aimlessly pumped up to whoever is up there. We need to become an attacking side and quick. But if Barton is going to religiously stick to one upfront then only a change of manager will lead to us playing with two upfront? Although if Clarke's now out injured then JB might have to change tactics as Collins is no targetman.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 13, 2021 19:42:18 GMT
I came in here excited expecting to read that the management team have had a rocket up their backsides from the board for poor performance Disappointed to find out otherwise. It is certainly a misleading title.
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Post by scottleroc on Sept 14, 2021 0:36:13 GMT
When is JB and his coaches (and there are enough of them) going to realise that football is a simple game. I am fed up to the teeth of looking at our squad and thinking that is a bloody good squad of players but the limit of the plan seems to be to smash the ball up the pitch at every opportunity to ONE player. Goals are scored in the opposition penalty area and yet we seem to have no players other than the centre forward who gets anywhere near the penalty box other than by trying to use individual skill to get there. How many times did either Saunders, Anderson, Collins, Evans, Finley,Whelan actually get in the box? Not very many. It might be alright for England and the Manchester to play one up front wth all these wonderfful midfield and defenders backing him up but this is little Bristol Rovers and we are not playing against Manchester United or Tottenham or even Huddersfield Town - we are playing against poxy Hartleppol, Harrogated, Sutton, Oldham.Leyton Orient and whoever we have played this season I look at our squad of players and think we have a squad of individual players who have played mainly at a higher standard yet we are relying on a plan A of launching a ball up to a centre forward who we know will be marked by two or three players because all we have are wingers and deep lying midfield players who are trying to gel into what? If we are going to resort to a plan of hoofing the ball out then fair enough but at least push players up to a front two or even three who can compete in that area. I don't want to see Saunders making a right cock up in our penalty area- I want to see him in the opposition penalty area providing some pace alongside a centre forward who knows all the tricks of the trade- the same if he plays Collins get him into the penalty area. Evans, Anderson, Finley, Coutts, Whelan, Brown, Nicholson- these players are bloody jewels compared to most of the opposition players so why are we treating them to hovering just in front of a back four with their main duties to be the defensive side of the game? Its not gelling them Joey its bloody crucifying them! I look at a player like Jay of Exeter and hes no better than any of the midfield players that we have in fact hes an all action Stuart Sinclair and his only real aim is to get into the six yard box as soon as possible and that is what he does- he gets into the area where he can score goals. You cannot gel a team into our present system because all our attacking players are playing in our own half and every time tbey get the ball there are no options in front of them so its a two yard pass or a 40 yard pass out wide and ev en if our wingers get the ball they only generally have one player to aim for. Forget the eleven bac k to keep the ball out of our net how about we line up with forward players in forward positions and try battering the opposition and using our superior skills. So Leyton Orient were also playing on Saturday, with 8 new starters on the pitch, managed to score 4 goals, and looked like they had managed to "gel" (what the feck does that mean anyway?). Seems its only Rovers that needs till Xmas to "gel". I am getting so ticked off with these feeble excuses. 7 games gone and performing equally as poorly as last season - with new personnel. That tells me it may not be the playing personnel that are at fault, as can be bourne out, that some of our releasees are still playing at a higher level than us. Swindon also seem to have gelled with a ‘negligent’ manager
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2021 0:57:05 GMT
So Leyton Orient were also playing on Saturday, with 8 new starters on the pitch, managed to score 4 goals, and looked like they had managed to "gel" (what the feck does that mean anyway?). Seems its only Rovers that needs till Xmas to "gel". I am getting so ticked off with these feeble excuses. 7 games gone and performing equally as poorly as last season - with new personnel. That tells me it may not be the playing personnel that are at fault, as can be bourne out, that some of our releasees are still playing at a higher level than us. Swindon also seem to have gelled with a ‘negligent’ manager Attachment Deleted
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Post by oldie on Sept 14, 2021 5:43:17 GMT
Swindon also seem to have gelled with a ‘negligent’ manager View AttachmentI hope some on here read that attachment
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Post by peterparker on Sept 14, 2021 8:14:49 GMT
When is JB and his coaches (and there are enough of them) going to realise that football is a simple game. I am fed up to the teeth of looking at our squad and thinking that is a bloody good squad of players but the limit of the plan seems to be to smash the ball up the pitch at every opportunity to ONE player. Goals are scored in the opposition penalty area and yet we seem to have no players other than the centre forward who gets anywhere near the penalty box other than by trying to use individual skill to get there. How many times did either Saunders, Anderson, Collins, Evans, Finley,Whelan actually get in the box? Not very many. It might be alright for England and the Manchester to play one up front wth all these wonderfful midfield and defenders backing him up but this is little Bristol Rovers and we are not playing against Manchester United or Tottenham or even Huddersfield Town - we are playing against poxy Hartleppol, Harrogated, Sutton, Oldham.Leyton Orient and whoever we have played this season I look at our squad of players and think we have a squad of individual players who have played mainly at a higher standard yet we are relying on a plan A of launching a ball up to a centre forward who we know will be marked by two or three players because all we have are wingers and deep lying midfield players who are trying to gel into what? If we are going to resort to a plan of hoofing the ball out then fair enough but at least push players up to a front two or even three who can compete in that area. I don't want to see Saunders making a right cock up in our penalty area- I want to see him in the opposition penalty area providing some pace alongside a centre forward who knows all the tricks of the trade- the same if he plays Collins get him into the penalty area. Evans, Anderson, Finley, Coutts, Whelan, Brown, Nicholson- these players are bloody jewels compared to most of the opposition players so why are we treating them to hovering just in front of a back four with their main duties to be the defensive side of the game? Its not gelling them Joey its bloody crucifying them! I look at a player like Jay of Exeter and hes no better than any of the midfield players that we have in fact hes an all action Stuart Sinclair and his only real aim is to get into the six yard box as soon as possible and that is what he does- he gets into the area where he can score goals. You cannot gel a team into our present system because all our attacking players are playing in our own half and every time tbey get the ball there are no options in front of them so its a two yard pass or a 40 yard pass out wide and ev en if our wingers get the ball they only generally have one player to aim for. Forget the eleven bac k to keep the ball out of our net how about we line up with forward players in forward positions and try battering the opposition and using our superior skills. "Our supporters are becoming a laughing stock"
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Post by oldie on Sept 14, 2021 11:06:46 GMT
When is JB and his coaches (and there are enough of them) going to realise that football is a simple game. I am fed up to the teeth of looking at our squad and thinking that is a bloody good squad of players but the limit of the plan seems to be to smash the ball up the pitch at every opportunity to ONE player. Goals are scored in the opposition penalty area and yet we seem to have no players other than the centre forward who gets anywhere near the penalty box other than by trying to use individual skill to get there. How many times did either Saunders, Anderson, Collins, Evans, Finley,Whelan actually get in the box? Not very many. It might be alright for England and the Manchester to play one up front wth all these wonderfful midfield and defenders backing him up but this is little Bristol Rovers and we are not playing against Manchester United or Tottenham or even Huddersfield Town - we are playing against poxy Hartleppol, Harrogated, Sutton, Oldham.Leyton Orient and whoever we have played this season I look at our squad of players and think we have a squad of individual players who have played mainly at a higher standard yet we are relying on a plan A of launching a ball up to a centre forward who we know will be marked by two or three players because all we have are wingers and deep lying midfield players who are trying to gel into what? If we are going to resort to a plan of hoofing the ball out then fair enough but at least push players up to a front two or even three who can compete in that area. I don't want to see Saunders making a right cock up in our penalty area- I want to see him in the opposition penalty area providing some pace alongside a centre forward who knows all the tricks of the trade- the same if he plays Collins get him into the penalty area. Evans, Anderson, Finley, Coutts, Whelan, Brown, Nicholson- these players are bloody jewels compared to most of the opposition players so why are we treating them to hovering just in front of a back four with their main duties to be the defensive side of the game? Its not gelling them Joey its bloody crucifying them! I look at a player like Jay of Exeter and hes no better than any of the midfield players that we have in fact hes an all action Stuart Sinclair and his only real aim is to get into the six yard box as soon as possible and that is what he does- he gets into the area where he can score goals. You cannot gel a team into our present system because all our attacking players are playing in our own half and every time tbey get the ball there are no options in front of them so its a two yard pass or a 40 yard pass out wide and ev en if our wingers get the ball they only generally have one player to aim for. Forget the eleven bac k to keep the ball out of our net how about we line up with forward players in forward positions and try battering the opposition and using our superior skills. "Our supporters are becoming a laughing stock" 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by LJG on Sept 14, 2021 13:20:23 GMT
I'm still traumatised by the title of this thread. Literally any interpretation of it causes disturbing imagery.
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Post by oldie on Sept 14, 2021 13:21:49 GMT
I'm still traumatised by the title of this thread. Literally any interpretation of it causes disturbing imagery. OP is a suitable case for treatment.
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 14, 2021 13:44:58 GMT
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Post by stapletongas on Sept 14, 2021 13:54:07 GMT
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 14, 2021 15:01:17 GMT
So Leyton Orient were also playing on Saturday, with 8 new starters on the pitch, managed to score 4 goals, and looked like they had managed to "gel" (what the feck does that mean anyway?). Seems its only Rovers that needs till Xmas to "gel". I am getting so ticked off with these feeble excuses. 7 games gone and performing equally as poorly as last season - with new personnel. That tells me it may not be the playing personnel that are at fault, as can be bourne out, that some of our releasees are still playing at a higher level than us. Swindon also seem to have gelled with a ‘negligent’ manager 1 win in 5 league games is hardly a sign of "gelling"?
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2021 15:24:48 GMT
Swindon also seem to have gelled with a ‘negligent’ manager 1 win in 5 league games is hardly a sign of "gelling"? 7th in the table for a club in crisis in the summer and a team widely expected to struggle by the 'experts' is a good start.
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Post by gregsy on Sept 14, 2021 15:27:12 GMT
I'd be perfectly happy with consolidation this year.... That doesn't necessarily mean I don't think we should neglect the idea of a promotion push, but as a club we need to sort a lot things out before we go back into league 1....
I just think we've got so many things to sort to think about it and we'd probably go straight back down....
Just keep us.... Not too much too ask....
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2021 15:28:39 GMT
I'd be perfectly happy with consolidation this year.... That doesn't necessarily mean I don't think we should neglect the idea of a promotion push, but as a club we need to sort a lot things out before we go back into league 1.... I just think we've got so many things to sort to think about it and we'd probably go straight back down.... Just keep us.... Not too much too ask.... Anything other than a promotion push would be a failure in my eyes. Playoffs minimum.
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Post by gregsy on Sept 14, 2021 15:34:31 GMT
I'd be perfectly happy with consolidation this year.... That doesn't necessarily mean I don't think we should neglect the idea of a promotion push, but as a club we need to sort a lot things out before we go back into league 1.... I just think we've got so many things to sort to think about it and we'd probably go straight back down.... Just keep us.... Not too much too ask.... Anything other than a promotion push would be a failure in my eyes. Playoffs minimum. I'm not against the idea of a promotion push, but we really need to build for league 1 football.... I don't think short term solutions will take us into league 1 in the best of preparation....
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2021 16:49:11 GMT
Anything other than a promotion push would be a failure in my eyes. Playoffs minimum. I'm not against the idea of a promotion push, but we really need to build for league 1 football.... I don't think short term solutions will take us into league 1 in the best of preparation.... I thought we should have been building a squad this year to aim for promotion, but also with one eye on doing a job a level above to lessen the disruption and turnover of players next summer. Regardless, promotion has to be the aim and then deal with anything else if that target is achieved.
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Post by bobbyjones on Sept 14, 2021 16:55:31 GMT
Big If
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Post by pirate on Sept 14, 2021 17:02:11 GMT
A big if, but promotion should be the target with our budget.
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Post by bobbyjones on Sept 14, 2021 17:42:45 GMT
Agreed
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