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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 19, 2021 9:05:40 GMT
I don't really know what I'm talking about, here, so help me out.
Istm we've had a mare for so long that there has to be some sort of rational explanation. Maybe we're just unlucky, but as that can't really be debated, let's go with 'something is fundamentally wrong.'
I've no idea how to run a football club but I've split it into three areas:
The day to day standard business management of a club is a thing that pretty much applies to all medium sized businesses in most fields.
The aspects of following FA EFL etc rules is a semi-legal technical matter that can be done by anyone with that sort of skill and a grounding in the relevant rules and regs, etc.
The instinct and nous required for surrounding yourself with the right sort of people, hiring and firing, hold 'em and fold 'em, etc, is the sort of ineffable quality that you can't really learn or teach, it's just a talent that you've either got or you haven't. Is this what we're lacking, is this the fundamental flaw in our set up?
Or, something else.
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Post by mftc on Sept 19, 2021 9:30:12 GMT
For so long we relied on volunteers and long term poorly paid employees, who may not have been the most professional, but there is no doubt they love the club.
Ran Kendall, Uncle Albert, Steve Burns, Steve Bissex, the SC, Screen Soccer, Keith Brookman, Robert Laurence etc. Their passion and love for the club is irreplaceable.
Except the club has tried to be professional (sic) and now has loads more employees, with higher costs, but the output and service is much worse.
The club has held its hands up to say it was wrong about the 50/50 and programme sellers. It needs to show some humility and learn that it can trust the fans to help out.
Just look at what Ash B has done. Why can't a group of supporters organise other fundraising events at the Mem. Although the SC used to do this sort of thing, I understand the FC won't let them use the Mem for anything except the volunteers now on matchdays. ( was told the SC approached the FC about holding their AGM, but the FC said no, causing further delays) - ridiculous if true as the FC want the SC AGM asap as they can stir up more anti JC feeling and get him to resign).
I'm sure that even on the forum there could be hundreds of good ideas to help the club . Just because someone has the certificates does not mean they have the best ideas for the club.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 19, 2021 10:20:01 GMT
Good thought provoking post AF, deserving of thought provoking answers if folk have the time.
The first two criteria does not require you to be a football or Rovers fan ,though it may help, Criteria 3 is where the fun starts and i will have to and condense a long drawn out answer into a suitable pocket sized version, see you in a few days!
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 10:23:28 GMT
I don't really know what I'm talking about, here, so help me out. Istm we've had a mare for so long that there has to be some sort of rational explanation. Maybe we're just unlucky, but as that can't really be debated, let's go with 'something is fundamentally wrong.' I've no idea how to run a football club but I've split it into three areas: The day to day standard business management of a club is a thing that pretty much applies to all medium sized businesses in most fields. The aspects of following FA EFL etc rules is a semi-legal technical matter that can be done by anyone with that sort of skill and a grounding in the relevant rules and regs, etc. The instinct and nous required for surrounding yourself with the right sort of people, hiring and firing, hold 'em and fold 'em, etc, is the sort of ineffable quality that you can't really learn or teach, it's just a talent that you've either got or you haven't. Is this what we're lacking, is this the fundamental flaw in our set up? Or, something else. I agree. The board of directors are either dysfunctional or incompetent. |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 19, 2021 10:43:40 GMT
Isn’t this ex Army chap supposed to oversee all aspects of how the club is run ?
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Post by playtowin on Sept 19, 2021 11:25:09 GMT
What you could consider is budget and fan numbers have no bearing on success in the lower divisions.
In fact you could say they might be negatives.
Finding the right staff for the type of club is key.
So a ceo who has been a success at a similar sized club with a similar recent history. Would be a good starting point.
Thats for general day to day.
However rovers ground situation is unique ,so maybe look at clubs who have solved getting past stadium issues.
The club us a misfit.
Not popular enough to be big club , have too poor a stadium to be a medium club. Though to many fans to be a small club.
Hindered in all directions.
Demolish the mem and build an 8000 stadium . This should leave enough space for other things on site.
Become good at being a small club.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 19, 2021 11:27:02 GMT
For so long we relied on volunteers and long term poorly paid employees, who may not have been the most professional, but there is no doubt they love the club. Ran Kendall, Uncle Albert, Steve Burns, Steve Bissex, the SC, Screen Soccer, Keith Brookman, Robert Laurence etc. Their passion and love for the club is irreplaceable. Except the club has tried to be professional (sic) and now has loads more employees, with higher costs, but the output and service is much worse. The club has held its hands up to say it was wrong about the 50/50 and programme sellers. It needs to show some humility and learn that it can trust the fans to help out. Just look at what Ash B has done. Why can't a group of supporters organise other fundraising events at the Mem. Although the SC used to do this sort of thing, I understand the FC won't let them use the Mem for anything except the volunteers now on matchdays. ( was told the SC approached the FC about holding their AGM, but the FC said no, causing further delays) - ridiculous if true as the FC want the SC AGM asap as they can stir up more anti JC feeling and get him to resign). I'm sure that even on the forum there could be hundreds of good ideas to help the club . Just because someone has the certificates does not mean they have the best ideas for the club. Jim Chapel doesn't need the club to stir anything up. He's done that all by himself. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 11:40:08 GMT
Isn’t this ex Army chap supposed to oversee all aspects of how the club is run ? Laugh? |
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Post by dragonfly on Sept 19, 2021 11:41:16 GMT
I don't really know what I'm talking about, here, so help me out. Istm we've had a mare for so long that there has to be some sort of rational explanation. Maybe we're just unlucky, but as that can't really be debated, let's go with 'something is fundamentally wrong.' I've no idea how to run a football club but I've split it into three areas: The day to day standard business management of a club is a thing that pretty much applies to all medium sized businesses in most fields. The aspects of following FA EFL etc rules is a semi-legal technical matter that can be done by anyone with that sort of skill and a grounding in the relevant rules and regs, etc. The instinct and nous required for surrounding yourself with the right sort of people, hiring and firing, hold 'em and fold 'em, etc, is the sort of ineffable quality that you can't really learn or teach, it's just a talent that you've either got or you haven't. Is this what we're lacking, is this the fundamental flaw in our set up? Or, something else. I have been pondering the above and with Starnes taking so much flak much of it may be unwarranted. How do any of us know the degree of competence he has for the tasks he carries out. We do not seem to fall foul of rules and procedures and we have reason to believe that Taxes and wages etc are met. We are simply not privy to the internal workings of BRFC. What we do know is that the SC and the FC are not on the same page and that the Manager is hugely divisive. There may be more disharmony at BRFC than we realise and division is usually a recipe for calamity. |
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Post by oldie on Sept 19, 2021 11:51:58 GMT
I don't really know what I'm talking about, here, so help me out. Istm we've had a mare for so long that there has to be some sort of rational explanation. Maybe we're just unlucky, but as that can't really be debated, let's go with 'something is fundamentally wrong.' I've no idea how to run a football club but I've split it into three areas: The day to day standard business management of a club is a thing that pretty much applies to all medium sized businesses in most fields. The aspects of following FA EFL etc rules is a semi-legal technical matter that can be done by anyone with that sort of skill and a grounding in the relevant rules and regs, etc. The instinct and nous required for surrounding yourself with the right sort of people, hiring and firing, hold 'em and fold 'em, etc, is the sort of ineffable quality that you can't really learn or teach, it's just a talent that you've either got or you haven't. Is this what we're lacking, is this the fundamental flaw in our set up? Or, something else. I have been pondering the above and with Starnes taking so much flak much of it may be unwarranted. How do any of us know the degree of competence he has for the tasks he carries out. We do not seem to fall foul of rules and procedures and we have reason to believe that Taxes and wages etc are met. We are simply not privy to the internal workings of BRFC. What we do know is that the SC and the FC are not on the same page and that the Manager is hugely divisive. There may be more disharmony at BRFC than we realise and division is usually a recipe for calamity. You may want to relook at the definition of the role of a CEO. |
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Post by Sir Trevor B'Sol on Sept 19, 2021 18:14:12 GMT
For the record.....
Martyn Starnes has been almost continually employed as the CEO of West Country clubs since Feb 2005.
Post One - Feb 2005 - Appointed CEO at Swindon Town FC.
Post Two - Nov 2007 - Appointed CEO at Yeovil Town FC.
Post Three - Jul 2013 - Appointed CEO at Plymouth Argyle FC.
Post Four - Mar 2018 - Appointed CEO at Bristol Rovers FC.
A little research will reveal his successful record at different clubs over many years.
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Post by Goose on Sept 19, 2021 21:18:06 GMT
Isn't it about time he did another interview? Would be interesting to hear his thoughts of our current situation
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Post by Gasshole on Sept 20, 2021 0:39:07 GMT
There’s nothing fun about it.
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Post by gasify on Sept 20, 2021 6:45:12 GMT
What you could consider is budget and fan numbers have no bearing on success in the lower divisions. In fact you could say they might be negatives. Finding the right staff for the type of club is key. So a ceo who has been a success at a similar sized club with a similar recent history. Would be a good starting point. Thats for general day to day. However rovers ground situation is unique ,so maybe look at clubs who have solved getting past stadium issues. The club us a misfit. Not popular enough to be big club , have too poor a stadium to be a medium club. Though to many fans to be a small club. Hindered in all directions. Demolish the mem and build an 8000 stadium . This should leave enough space for other things on site. Become good at being a small club. I completely agree with this, it's just there are plenty who wouldn't accept we are a small club. We still need to maximise our revenue generating options. Went to the clubhouse bar at half time against Crawley and it was so over crowded that I just walked back out again. |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Sept 20, 2021 7:19:25 GMT
There’s nothing fun about it. It is mental, though. |
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Post by peterparker on Sept 20, 2021 8:01:44 GMT
For so long we relied on volunteers and long term poorly paid employees, who may not have been the most professional, but there is no doubt they love the club. Ran Kendall, Uncle Albert, Steve Burns, Steve Bissex, the SC, Screen Soccer, Keith Brookman, Robert Laurence etc. Their passion and love for the club is irreplaceable. Except the club has tried to be professional (sic) and now has loads more employees, with higher costs, but the output and service is much worse. The club has held its hands up to say it was wrong about the 50/50 and programme sellers. It needs to show some humility and learn that it can trust the fans to help out. Just look at what Ash B has done. Why can't a group of supporters organise other fundraising events at the Mem. Although the SC used to do this sort of thing, I understand the FC won't let them use the Mem for anything except the volunteers now on matchdays. ( was told the SC approached the FC about holding their AGM, but the FC said no, causing further delays) - ridiculous if true as the FC want the SC AGM asap as they can stir up more anti JC feeling and get him to resign).
I'm sure that even on the forum there could be hundreds of good ideas to help the club . Just because someone has the certificates does not mean they have the best ideas for the club. the football club probably don't want event that will have anti-board feeling it on their premises and I can understand. I was sacked from the programme years ago for being 'anti-board' as for stirring up anti-JC feeling, that is up to The SC membership to determine if 1) they support The SC stance and 2) if they support JC. Fingers can be pointed at both sides, but The SC have barely said anything about anything so it's hard to weigh up whether they have any valid concerns outside of the spurious safe guarding issue a while back. What do The SC actually have a problem with? Perhaps if everybody knew there might be a re-drawing of lines and support, but how can you support a Supporters organisation that yo don't know what it is standing for and what issues it has, because it actually says very little? |
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