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Post by playtowin on Sept 19, 2021 11:41:14 GMT
I'm of the belief now that our issues are deeper than any that a manager could influence. We have a big budget for this league. We have a new training facility for the players to train at. We have a great, vocal fanbase. There’s more than enough there for a manager to work with and influence our fortunes. Even though the club and fans want promotion and self belief confidence and positivity is good. The manager may well have been better saying that as the club was on a slide and there was a big overhaul of squad its going to be tough turning things around. That the main aim is to stop the slide and make sure we dont get relegated again. To do that we need to do it together ,the fans need to be behind every tackle every pass every run every shot. If we do that we can turn the clubs demise around. If we dont relegation is likely whoever is manager.
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Post by curlywurly on Sept 19, 2021 11:57:01 GMT
Can someone explain what happened at the Blackthorn end just prior to their first goal. It looked like our man was being awarded a penalty but the ref instead gave them a free kick. The crowd were outraged but from the South Tent it was difficult to see what happened. The highlights don’t show it Wasn't in the box. Was a clear free kick to us but bizarrely the ref gave it to them and the linesman who was much closer didn't give anything. From there they got a corner and scored. I didn't quite see it like that. Collins received the ball wide right at pace. He cut inside their left back who slipped as Collins passed him. Collins was still on the ball and had a clear goal chance beckoning, but the ref gave the defender a free kick. There was minimal contact from Collins on the defender as he cut inside, certainly not enough for a free kick, but because the player slipped (as plenty did on the watered surface), the ref judged it a s a free kick.
As you say, they then went up field and scored from another poorly defended corner.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda. It really doesn't make much difference. We offered nothing going forward and were brittle at the back, again.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Sept 19, 2021 13:06:27 GMT
Wasn't in the box. Was a clear free kick to us but bizarrely the ref gave it to them and the linesman who was much closer didn't give anything. From there they got a corner and scored. I didn't quite see it like that. Collins received the ball wide right at pace. He cut inside their left back who slipped as Collins passed him. Collins was still on the ball and had a clear goal chance beckoning, but the ref gave the defender a free kick. There was minimal contact from Collins on the defender as he cut inside, certainly not enough for a free kick, but because the player slipped (as plenty did on the watered surface), the ref judged it a s a free kick.
As you say, they then went up field and scored from another poorly defended corner.
Coulda, shoulda, woulda. It really doesn't make much difference. We offered nothing going forward and were brittle at the back, again.
To be fair you're right. Still a complete balls up from the ref.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2021 13:16:57 GMT
Personally I would rather Barton had never come near the club irrespective of the poor results he has achieved so far. I just find him a narcissistic bore. Add to that the fact he's been poor manager for us and is prone to violence based on many documented incidents we can all find with a couple of minutes googling then I can't see what he brings to the club expect a lot of mates who need work. Just hope he packs his bags and save Wael a fortune in paying him and the entourage off.
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Post by justin blue on Sept 19, 2021 13:33:13 GMT
You say DC was hardly a success at Walsall, but they are hardly tearing up the division now are they. Swindon are tenth which from where we are looks a lot like success. Tisdale had a decent record at Exeter and got MK promoted. GC leaving of his own accord was not a club decision. You can hardly say Tisdale was a success after he left based on his time at his previous clubs? JB is the most successful manager recently in terms of league positions as he got Fleetwood into the top 6, none of the others have achieved that during the last 3 seasons. Regardless it's a complete mystery why all these managers keep failing when they are not totally useless at previous/future clubs. It's easy to point the finger at Starnes but I'd imagine BG and JB were both Wael's appointments not Starnes, who seemed to be behind Tisdale's appointment. I said Tisdale had a decent record before he came here and he may be successful again who knows? Garner was unproven, but has done much better at Swindon than JB has here. I don’t know enough to start finger pointing, but I feel there is something wrong at the club other than or as well as the manager.
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Post by baggins on Sept 19, 2021 13:55:33 GMT
You can hardly say Tisdale was a success after he left based on his time at his previous clubs? JB is the most successful manager recently in terms of league positions as he got Fleetwood into the top 6, none of the others have achieved that during the last 3 seasons. Regardless it's a complete mystery why all these managers keep failing when they are not totally useless at previous/future clubs. It's easy to point the finger at Starnes but I'd imagine BG and JB were both Wael's appointments not Starnes, who seemed to be behind Tisdale's appointment. I said Tisdale had a decent record before he came here and he may be successful again who knows? Garner was unproven, but has done much better at Swindon than JB has here. I don’t know enough to start finger pointing, but I feel there is something wrong at the club other than or as well as the manager. The results are down to the Manager, the squad he's brought in and the players with the shirts on for 90 minutes.
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Post by justin blue on Sept 19, 2021 14:12:58 GMT
I said Tisdale had a decent record before he came here and he may be successful again who knows? Garner was unproven, but has done much better at Swindon than JB has here. I don’t know enough to start finger pointing, but I feel there is something wrong at the club other than or as well as the manager. The results are down to the Manager, the squad he's brought in and the players with the shirts on for 90 minutes. Agreed, but I think there’s more to our current predicament than just that.
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Post by baggins on Sept 19, 2021 15:03:52 GMT
The results are down to the Manager, the squad he's brought in and the players with the shirts on for 90 minutes. Agreed, but I think there’s more to our current predicament than just that. Well gone on then, explain.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 19, 2021 15:20:58 GMT
Agreed, but I think there’s more to our current predicament than just that. Well gone on then, explain. The reality of the situation is that we have a manager and group of players who are unable to perform at the required level. Exactly the same old story as last season. The club has been in freefall since GC's departure. So many bad decisions and very few good ones in that period.
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Post by baggins on Sept 19, 2021 15:43:22 GMT
Well gone on then, explain. The reality of the situation is that we have a manager and group of players who are unable to perform at the required level. Exactly the same old story as last season. The club has been in freefall since GC's departure. So many bad decisions and very few good ones in that period. Not denyining that, but is there more to our prediciment as suggested?
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 19, 2021 16:00:24 GMT
On paper the squad is more than good enough to be fighting at the right end of the table. The problem is that the confidence levels are so low that as soon as we concede a goal we go to pieces whether that is the 2 nd minute,30th minute or 80th minute. You only win games by attacking teams not by having all eleven players back to defend a straightforward corner. Can experienced coaches not see that we need to keep players forward as when we resort to booting the ball out we just cant win it and get attacking- all our midfield players give the impression of being holding midfielders.
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Post by graceyboy on Sept 19, 2021 16:02:18 GMT
There are some on here who will still keep saying "wael's bought us a training ground and paid off our debts so we should just put up and shut up about the club being in freefall" even when we are in conference South in 2 years time. I for one am completely fed up with this agenda. The club is a joke. Ticketmaster, Sacking programme sellers, not printing programmes, playing in the worst ground ever inflicted on the football league, canning the uwe project, three years of terrible recruitment and with no decent news re a new ground on the horizon. Still at least we've got a training ground hey? Keep playing your violins while the titanic sinks
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