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Post by Baxtinho on Sept 20, 2021 13:44:55 GMT
Anybody else think when we are defending corners we should leave 2 players up on the half way line the opposition would then have to bring 3 players back to counter that when we have eleven back in our box the ball keeps coming back Should leave collins or saunders upfront on corners as they are both quick and could capatilise on a boot out of defence to run onto. Do what Becks cambridge utd used to do clear the ball towards the corner flag let the striker outpace/outbully the defending player then either shoot straight off of hit first time across the box where the other striker was running in. This was often Dion dublin and john Taylor. Worked a treat. The guy from Duran Duran? They were good at IOW Festival last night but he didn't look like he would be outpacing anyone now.
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Post by dragonfly on Sept 20, 2021 16:37:33 GMT
If the Players were to come good as a Team the signs would be there for all to see and I see no evidence of that happening. Bristol Rovers under Barton with the season barely 8 games old already have one foot in the National League. Normally I would say it's too early to believe such a catastrophe was likely but we are being led by someone whose head is engaged elsewhere, distracted by upcoming events. He is clearly not in the right place to be in charge of the Team and the longer Wael dithers over Barton the more serious damage will be inflicted upon us. Waiting for the result of a trial in December should not be an option when the future of the Club is at stake. Waiting for his Team to come good under his command is fools gold. Sack him now and put Hargreaves in charge for a trial period.
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Post by stevek192 on Sept 20, 2021 17:31:49 GMT
Hargreaves record as a Manager is awful and he has becomeout of touch anyway. To appoint him would be another disaster.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 20, 2021 17:39:23 GMT
3 points:
1. We have some decent players at this level. The fact that we are already talking about relegation indicates that the managership is not getting the best out of the players. That indicates serious management and coaching issues - which we are painfully aware of.
2. Forget this pitiful attempt of 3 at the back. We do not have the centre backs or wing backs to make this work. The result is chaos.
3. Defending corners is easy. Either defend zonally or man mark. Not both at the same time! Man marking is relatively easy. Just stick with your man and make sure he doesn't get a free header. If everybody does that few goals will be conceded from corners. It just requires concentration and determination. Isn't that we have coaches for?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 20, 2021 17:45:26 GMT
3 points: 1. We have some decent players at this level. The fact that we are already talking about relegation indicates that the managership is not getting the best out of the players. That indicates serious management and coaching issues - which we are painfully aware of. 2. Forget this pitiful attempt of 3 at the back. We do not have the centre backs or wing backs to make this work. The result is chaos. 3. Defending corners is easy. Either defend zonally or man mark. Not both at the same time! Man marking is relatively easy. Just stick with your man and make sure he doesn't get a free header. If everybody does that few goals will be conceded from corners. It just requires concentration and determination. Isn't that we have coaches for? Anderson was clearly man marking Smith on Saturday but still managed to completely lose him, allowing him a free header at the near post.
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Post by wilmslowgas on Sept 20, 2021 17:50:09 GMT
Exactly the point I'm making.
If you are marking somebody properly you do not lose him. Otherwise all you are doing is keeping him company until the corner is kicked in.
If Anderson is losing players at corners there is little point in having him as a defender unless you stick him on a post.
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Post by cj on Sept 20, 2021 17:50:49 GMT
Without trying to turn this into yet another anti JB thread, to answer the question "Will the players come good as a team?" will involve the management of the guy in charge. So "Will the players come good as a team?" My answer is no. Not while JB is in charge. They look devoid of a plan or any idea's. With a better manager who can actually man manage and get the best out of the players, yeah they probably will come good as a team. Issue is, the longer we carry on as we are, it will be very difficult to turn around form and confidence for these players to start believing in themselves. JB called the squad last season a team of losers. Well this squad he has built is fast becoming that too so something needs to change before it is too late for them as a squad to turn this around.
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Post by pirate on Sept 20, 2021 18:12:11 GMT
Hargreaves record as a Manager is awful and he has becomeout of touch anyway. To appoint him would be another disaster. Did a good job as Rovers Development Squad Manager winning the Central League and an overall win rate of 54%, with seven players representing the first-team. As Bournemouth first-team coach achieved promotion to the Championship and as Torquay United Manager was in the top 6 until Christmas when the budget was halved. Also reached the FA Trophy semi-final with them and left with a win rate of 42%. So not "awful" at all, and as he says himself, working with BT Sport on their National League coverage "It’s given me a good database of talent that I’ve watched first-hand" - talented players hoping to reach the Football League and loan players gaining experience. He watches games at our level too, so to suggest he is "out of touch" is wide of the mark.
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Post by smudge1 on Sept 20, 2021 18:23:43 GMT
3 points: 1. We have some decent players at this level. The fact that we are already talking about relegation indicates that the managership is not getting the best out of the players. That indicates serious management and coaching issues - which we are painfully aware of. 2. Forget this pitiful attempt of 3 at the back. We do not have the centre backs or wing backs to make this work. The result is chaos. 3. Defending corners is easy. Either defend zonally or man mark. Not both at the same time! Man marking is relatively easy. Just stick with your man and make sure he doesn't get a free header. If everybody does that few goals will be conceded from corners. It just requires concentration and determination. Isn't that we have coaches for? Anderson was clearly man marking Smith on Saturday but still managed to completely lose him, allowing him a free header at the near post. Correct me if I am wrong but Anderson was not on the field when Smith scored!!
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Post by seanclevedongas on Sept 20, 2021 18:32:31 GMT
Anderson was clearly man marking Smith on Saturday but still managed to completely lose him, allowing him a free header at the near post. Correct me if I am wrong but Anderson was not on the field when Smith scored!! Correct, he obviously meant Ander ton
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Post by 4d on Sept 20, 2021 18:36:54 GMT
___________________Annsi __________ Taylor Hughes Harries Saunders ______________________Anderson ______________Finley_____Grant ____Nicholson / Thomas______Collins / Evans ____________________Pitman
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Sept 20, 2021 18:40:03 GMT
Of those fit atm I’d go for:
_____________Belshaw ______Grant___Taylor___Harries Anderson__Finley___Coutts__Brown _____________Evans ________Pitman____Saunders
Just think we need to get Saunders’ pace and energy up top to stretch teams and give us a threat in behind, but we’ve already seen that he can’t play as a lone striker so I’d partner him with Pitman.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 20, 2021 19:12:01 GMT
What have you seen in Coutts to warrant him starting?
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 20, 2021 19:15:52 GMT
Without trying to turn this into yet another anti JB thread, to answer the question "Will the players come good as a team?" will involve the management of the guy in charge. So "Will the players come good as a team?" My answer is no. Not while JB is in charge. They look devoid of a plan or any idea's. With a better manager who can actually man manage and get the best out of the players, yeah they probably will come good as a team. Issue is, the longer we carry on as we are, it will be very difficult to turn around form and confidence for these players to start believing in themselves. JB called the squad last season a team of losers. Well this squad he has built is fast becoming that too so something needs to change before it is too late for them as a squad to turn this around. "Without trying" 😂😂😂
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Post by chilly1883 on Sept 20, 2021 19:17:17 GMT
What have you seen in Coutts to warrant him starting? Fack all
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Post by cj on Sept 20, 2021 20:30:52 GMT
Without trying to turn this into yet another anti JB thread, to answer the question "Will the players come good as a team?" will involve the management of the guy in charge. So "Will the players come good as a team?" My answer is no. Not while JB is in charge. They look devoid of a plan or any idea's. With a better manager who can actually man manage and get the best out of the players, yeah they probably will come good as a team. Issue is, the longer we carry on as we are, it will be very difficult to turn around form and confidence for these players to start believing in themselves. JB called the squad last season a team of losers. Well this squad he has built is fast becoming that too so something needs to change before it is too late for them as a squad to turn this around. "Without trying" 😂😂😂 Sigh.
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Post by susan1950 on Sept 21, 2021 13:40:21 GMT
It seems we have plenty of options for manager if Barton gets the boot……
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Post by bobbyjones on Sept 21, 2021 15:44:48 GMT
Who would come here apart from Puss in boots, and replace another bigger big headed prat like the insecure thing we got now.
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Post by Icegas on Sept 21, 2021 16:28:57 GMT
If the Players were to come good as a Team the signs would be there for all to see and I see no evidence of that happening. Bristol Rovers under Barton with the season barely 8 games old already have one foot in the National League. Normally I would say it's too early to believe such a catastrophe was likely but we are being led by someone whose head is engaged elsewhere, distracted by upcoming events. He is clearly not in the right place to be in charge of the Team and the longer Wael dithers over Barton the more serious damage will be inflicted upon us. Waiting for the result of a trial in December should not be an option when the future of the Club is at stake. Waiting for his Team to come good under his command is fools gold. Sack him now and put Hargreaves in charge for a trial period. Best post I've seen on here in years.My thoughts 100%.🤝👏 I was pro Barton with his appointment, and didn't blame him at the time for our relegation given how bad the players were under BG and PT.They were no doubt Dam useless but JB still should ( looking back on it) got much more out of them in a effort to survive.In hindsight his words in the press about how bad there were and wanting to get rid of them all was totally embarrassing. He gave up and blamed all but himself. This is now his squad, and they are worse than last year's simple fact. 8 games is enough time to begin to create a season of battling relegation.He knows he is not here for the long term, and his shocking signings of his OAP mates suggests he didn't have the interest or knowledge to attract any other players to a club with one of the top budgets in the league. He needs to go now. See this is now about us getting someone in that can generate enough points for us to remain in L2 simple.Its not negative,just logical. Forget us being a big club in L2, or our fanbase and budget.We should be challenging at the top end of this league,but we are not and nor will we this season with JB in charge.If we don't get ANYTHING other than 6 points from our next two games he MUST GO!!! And anyone that is still supporting this fool today and not seeing what is happening after what happened in 2014 to us are clowns as well and just as much to blame as JB is right now.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Sept 21, 2021 17:08:05 GMT
NO
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