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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 14, 2014 14:37:11 GMT
Wall just happened to be the unfortunate one who had the shot. It would have been the same whoever had it. I know. He's as impassive as Buster Keaton, but he looked at the Blackthorn for few seconds not sure how to take it. It must be a weird life for players. If he scores the winner on Friday, the crowd will be going crazy for him and he'll be running to us... It'll make Jenny Agutter greeting her dad through the steam at the railway station look like a brief nod of acquaintance. They might think that our "support" is overwhelmingly dependent on how things go. That's pretty much the definition of fickle, wouldn't you say? Unfortunately yes. Gone are the days that the crowd would be up for it before a game. When was the last time anyone sang along to that awful medley of songs before the game? The last few years have all but killed the atmosphere and it's now only what happens on the pitch that dictates the atmosphere. We have become what we used to abuse other fans about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 15:13:40 GMT
mehewmagic: I thought because you'd described us as a decent, unspectacular side in the same paragraph as you were describing this game, you were referring to this performance, hence my laughter because that performance wasn't even competent. So to recap: yeah, I'd say we're a decent, unspectacular side for the conference over all. With a lot of problems that need to be solved and no real sign that that will be happening but that's another topic. Sorry if I misunderstood you there. In regards to whether or not this was the first team, I think I'm right when I say all the players you mentioned in the second team of your second reply have all started league matches for us (edit: with the possibly major exception of Fabs), making them in my opinion part of, or near the first team. It worries me that they cannot trouble Bath for 90 minutes, especially considering our first choice strikers were on display. I'm afraid your interpretation of the first team is not glaring, objective evidence that us thickies are just too daft to see. I too would love a joyful, boisterous atmosphere at all our games and I was having a sing at the start of the second half (if only to keep myself warm and entertained) but I acknowledge that I've only ever known Bristol Rovers as a crap team and if I'd stuck with them since the 70s, I would tell someone who judged me for not singing while we give nothing to Bath to reconsider their perspective on life. Interestingly, Darrell agrees with me. If we had fickle fans we wouldn't only be down 10% on last year's crowds. Sorry if this seems personal but I don't like attacking people just because they have a more pessimistic viewpoint than myself.
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 14, 2014 15:17:32 GMT
I know. He's as impassive as Buster Keaton, but he looked at the Blackthorn for few seconds not sure how to take it. It must be a weird life for players. If he scores the winner on Friday, the crowd will be going crazy for him and he'll be running to us... It'll make Jenny Agutter greeting her dad through the steam at the railway station look like a brief nod of acquaintance. They might think that our "support" is overwhelmingly dependent on how things go. That's pretty much the definition of fickle, wouldn't you say? Unfortunately yes. Gone are the days that the crowd would be up for it before a game. When was the last time anyone sang along to that awful medley of songs before the game? The last few years have all but killed the atmosphere and it's now only what happens on the pitch that dictates the atmosphere. We have become what we used to abuse other fans about. Let's hope for a successful run with a settled team. That may be a start to rebuilding things, at least in a small way. Then maybe players can build a little credit in fans' minds and we won't be turning on them so quickly when things go wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 16:29:13 GMT
I know. He's as impassive as Buster Keaton, but he looked at the Blackthorn for few seconds not sure how to take it. It must be a weird life for players. If he scores the winner on Friday, the crowd will be going crazy for him and he'll be running to us... It'll make Jenny Agutter greeting her dad through the steam at the railway station look like a brief nod of acquaintance. They might think that our "support" is overwhelmingly dependent on how things go. That's pretty much the definition of fickle, wouldn't you say? Unfortunately yes. Gone are the days that the crowd would be up for it before a game. When was the last time anyone sang along to that awful medley of songs before the game? The last few years have all but killed the atmosphere and it's now only what happens on the pitch that dictates the atmosphere. We have become what we used to abuse other fans about. Agree with you. We've been more patient than most. And just like the extra revenues from higher than average attendances compared to other teams around us we've squanded that too.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 14, 2014 17:32:20 GMT
I think posters need to take into context fans feelings yesterday, most of us where in two minds whether a cup run would be a distraction or not but despite a decent turnout we played poorly, went 2-0 due to some joke defending, then had to wait for around 80 mins before Wall's mis-hit shot was the 1st on target what are fans supposed to, do applaud him and the players for their efforts? If we did would players think their performance were acceptable? Perhaps in the past we've been too forgiving but where's that got us anyway?
Hopefully we won't but should we go 1-0 on Friday I'm sure fans will get behind the team rather than boo them etc.
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 14, 2014 19:20:59 GMT
I think posters need to take into context fans feelings yesterday, most of us where in two minds whether a cup run would be a distraction or not but despite a decent turnout we played poorly, went 2-0 due to some joke defending, then had to wait for around 80 mins before Wall's mis-hit shot was the 1st on target what are fans supposed to, do applaud him and the players for their efforts? If we did would players think their performance were acceptable? Perhaps in the past we've been too forgiving but where's that got us anyway? Hopefully we won't but should we go 1-0 on Friday I'm sure fans will get behind the team rather than boo them etc. I moan and shout and curse. I think there is a difference between 1) thousands of individuals showing their feelings in a cacophony of noise, all saying whatever they like... or 2) organised chanting or jeering, especially when a player is doing something right(ish) and is mocked en masse. At that point, the crowd has effectively changed sides: it is doing to Rovers what it normally does to the opposition. I know, of course, that ultimately fans support the shirt, not the man wearing it. They are not really being disloyal when they boo their own players: they are supporting something bigger than the individuals who are failing in front of them. However, supporting an abstract gets us nowhere. It's the blokes in the shirts that will need our support on Friday night (Though I can't go - Aarrrghh!) and those blokes are 3rd in the league. If they have a bad first half and the booing starts again, that won't be support, will it?
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 16, 2014 0:35:40 GMT
Wall just happened to be the unfortunate one who had the shot. It would have been the same whoever had it. I know. He's as impassive as Buster Keaton, but he looked at the Blackthorn for few seconds not sure how to take it. It must be a weird life for players. If he scores the winner on Friday, the crowd will be going crazy for him and he'll be running to us... It'll make Jenny Agutter greeting her dad through the steam at the railway station look like a brief nod of acquaintance. They might think that our "support" is overwhelmingly dependent on how things go. That's pretty much the definition of fickle, wouldn't you say? Brilliant post. and made me think of Jenny Agutter in 'Walkabout'. win-win situation
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 16, 2014 6:55:32 GMT
Everton fans regularly booed their team when passing back to the keeper even at 3-1 up last night. We seem to be in a generation of ridiculously impatient fans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 7:31:30 GMT
The Everton booing is about the teams style of play. Ive been up there twice this season. Often when they are in good attacking positions they turn around and pass it backwards. They also take ahort corners and free kicks. The fans get frustrated with it as they are still not totally sold on the Martinez style as its looks great when it works and annoying as f**k when it doesnt
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 16, 2014 7:40:40 GMT
I know. He's as impassive as Buster Keaton, but he looked at the Blackthorn for few seconds not sure how to take it. It must be a weird life for players. If he scores the winner on Friday, the crowd will be going crazy for him and he'll be running to us... It'll make Jenny Agutter greeting her dad through the steam at the railway station look like a brief nod of acquaintance. They might think that our "support" is overwhelmingly dependent on how things go. That's pretty much the definition of fickle, wouldn't you say? Brilliant post. and made me think of Jenny Agutter in 'Walkabout'. win-win situation Naughty. She actually filmed that before the Railway Children, apparently. Both great films in different ways.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Dec 16, 2014 8:01:31 GMT
The Everton booing is about the teams style of play. Ive been up there twice this season. Often when they are in good attacking positions they turn around and pass it backwards. They also take ahort corners and free kicks. The fans get frustrated with it as they are still not totally sold on the Martinez style as its looks great when it works and annoying as flip when it doesnt Booing when 3-1 up though?! Would that of happened even 5 years ago?
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 16, 2014 9:27:53 GMT
I think sometimes the fans of teams who never win anything compensate by demanding beautiful football. This becomes a permanent delusion at some clubs, such as West Ham or Spurs, who don't play any differently from anyone else as far as I have seen, but like to think they do.
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Post by phillistine on Dec 16, 2014 12:17:30 GMT
So first string bar two then. i make it 4 ,the above mentioned,dc usually selects monkhouse when fit and mcchrystal has kept his place since trotman got injured,,we should be beating bath but it clearly wasnt a full strenth team Notice anything familiar about the players who were missing? The experienced players were missing , the ones who continually coach the players around them, organise them , encourage them and keep them going. This will return on Friday and you will see just how important a role the talkers have in keeping our team playing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 12:53:42 GMT
i make it 4 ,the above mentioned,dc usually selects monkhouse when fit and mcchrystal has kept his place since trotman got injured,,we should be beating bath but it clearly wasnt a full strenth team Notice anything familiar about the players who were missing? The experienced players were missing , the ones who continually coach the players around them, organise them , encourage them and keep them going. This will return on Friday and you will see just how important a role the talkers have in keeping our team playing. its almost as if dc gave the team a character test without the main organizers to see how they would cope?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 13:26:30 GMT
I think sometimes the fans of teams who never win anything compensate by demanding beautiful football. This becomes a permanent delusion at some clubs, such as West Ham or Spurs, who don't play any differently from anyone else as far as I have seen, but like to think they do. Holding our own against Bath city =/= beautiful football. I thought Spurs played the most attractive football I've seen in my short life from 2009 to 2011. Even 2012-13 at least had moments of Balerilliance (groans). I get what you mean about fans demanding instant success but I believe the fact that patience has by and large run out at Rovers is understandable.
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 16, 2014 13:59:26 GMT
I think sometimes the fans of teams who never win anything compensate by demanding beautiful football. This becomes a permanent delusion at some clubs, such as West Ham or Spurs, who don't play any differently from anyone else as far as I have seen, but like to think they do. Holding our own against Bath city =/= beautiful football. I thought Spurs played the most attractive football I've seen in my short life from 2009 to 2011. Even 2012-13 at least had moments of Balerilliance (groans). I get what you mean about fans demanding instant success but I believe the fact that patience has by and large run out at Rovers is understandable. Actually, I was following on the comments about why Everton fans were booing - nothing to do with Rovers. Although I certainly agree that we have have plenty of justification for being impatient. The trouble is, we're booing players who are mostly new to the club and pretty successful. Slightly perplexing for them. Maybe we should have pictures up around the ground of personnel of the past to boo and pelt when we feel like it, instead of booing Sinclair, Parkes, Brown etc. Who would we nominate? O'Toole seems to get a fair few votes on here!
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Post by mehewmagic on Dec 16, 2014 14:21:11 GMT
Brilliant post. and made me think of Jenny Agutter in 'Walkabout'. win-win situation Naughty. She actually filmed that before the Railway Children, apparently. Both great films in different ways. I feel vaguely dirty now you've told me that...
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 16, 2014 14:37:58 GMT
Naughty. She actually filmed that before the Railway Children, apparently. Both great films in different ways. I feel vaguely dirty now you've told me that... I shouldn't worry - she looked pretty adult to me lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2014 14:43:45 GMT
Holding our own against Bath city =/= beautiful football. I thought Spurs played the most attractive football I've seen in my short life from 2009 to 2011. Even 2012-13 at least had moments of Balerilliance (groans). I get what you mean about fans demanding instant success but I believe the fact that patience has by and large run out at Rovers is understandable. Actually, I was following on the comments about why Everton fans were booing - nothing to do with Rovers. Although I certainly agree that we have have plenty of justification for being impatient. The trouble is, we're booing players who are mostly new to the club and pretty successful. Slightly perplexing for them. Maybe we should have pictures up around the ground of personnel of the past to boo and pelt when we feel like it, instead of booing Sinclair, Parkes, Brown etc. Who would we nominate? O'Toole seems to get a fair few votes on here! They're half a season down and third in the league, if they don't realize they should be troubling Bath City in 90 minutes then we have the wrong players, frankly. Who's this O'Toole?
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Post by Mark Ash on Dec 16, 2014 14:56:11 GMT
Actually, I was following on the comments about why Everton fans were booing - nothing to do with Rovers. Although I certainly agree that we have have plenty of justification for being impatient. The trouble is, we're booing players who are mostly new to the club and pretty successful. Slightly perplexing for them. Maybe we should have pictures up around the ground of personnel of the past to boo and pelt when we feel like it, instead of booing Sinclair, Parkes, Brown etc. Who would we nominate? O'Toole seems to get a fair few votes on here! They're half a season down and third in the league, if they don't realize they should be troubling Bath City in 90 minutes then we have the wrong players, frankly. Who's this O'Toole? I'm sure they realised it, but I've had my memory of last Saturday erased by Deep Hypnosis Therapy by a very nice woman who operates out of a disused burger van on the A303, so I really can't comment on that match anymore. If there was a match. I meant John-Joe O'Toole. There is currently a thread on him on this very forum. Not known for his effort and enthusiasm while at Rovers. Though he did get some goals.
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