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Post by stevek192 on Oct 4, 2021 9:18:14 GMT
I know he is only a local paper journalist but surely it is time that he should be questioning Joey Barton far more closely on things like his tactics and team selection. He seems to give the Manager a very easy time every week. I am still pro Barton but my support is starting to wear thin when I watch rubbish like Saturday. It was my first match since Exeter away due to having Covid and I found it both embarrassing and boring to watch. We were out played by a team who if they had Pitman up front for them would have been out of sight by halftime. I was not at all impressed by their forwards and overall I think our tactics made Swindon look a far better side than they actually are. I want to see Sam Frost asking Joey such questions as 1. Joey you have played one up front most of the season and it is clearly not working and making us look relegation fodder- you have forward players like Collins,Saunders and Spence and yet you persevere with this boring set up? 2. Joey you made very clear your opinions on Ben Garner as a Manager and yet he was in a similar position if not worse than you at the start of the season and yet has clearly given us a right turning over? 3.Joey, I know you have injuries but how long can you afford to wait for these players to come back now you have your "superior back room staff " to last season and yet we seem to have a far worse injury record this season? 4. Joey why do you persevere with three at the back when you have players who could play as full backs in a flat back four- Houll, Anderton, Brown and the three is clearly not working as we end up defending totally with both wing backs being needed to defend for most of the match and also having to play with two defensive midfielders in a home match? 5. Joey How are you going to put things right and by that I mean getting your tactics right and not "working harder on the training field" because after 10 games your work on the training field is clearly not working and I would go as far as to say that the only evidence we have of what occurs at the training ground is injuries? 6. Joey, Why do you persevere with 11 players in the penalty area for corners and yet if you look at the goals conceded most of them have occurred in exactly this situation. It seems to me that just hoofing the ball away is a waste of time when you have nobody up the field to chase or harry opponents and the ball comes straight back and we are under pressure again. 7. Joey, 35% possession in a home game against League 2 opponents is not a figure that Bristol Rovers supporters expect to watch. How are you going to put this right?
Surely this line of questioning is more appropriate than just accepting when he says we will be working hard at the training ground and just asking such things as Is there any news on injuries? Reading your interviews is about as frustrating as watching the bloody football!!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 9:23:11 GMT
Excellent questions...but Joey will just reply by giving a 10 minute summary of his life.
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 4, 2021 9:23:18 GMT
It would be easier if you contacted him directly
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Post by Captain Jayho on Oct 4, 2021 9:28:21 GMT
Excellent questions...but Joey will just reply by giving a 10 minute summary of his life. 10 seconds probably sufficient for that in fairness. "I came, I saw, I f**ked up."
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 4, 2021 9:39:50 GMT
I feel so sorry for any post Rovers reporter. They are never going to please everyone and whatever they do they get pelters.
For example he would be 'classic evil post biased and against Rovers' if he asked the above questions cause some of them are a bit aggressive.
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Post by RD on Oct 4, 2021 9:50:49 GMT
I know he is only a local paper journalist but surely it is time that he should be questioning Joey Barton far more closely on things like his tactics and team selection. He seems to give the Manager a very easy time every week. I am still pro Barton but my support is starting to wear thin when I watch rubbish like Saturday. It was my first match since Exeter away due to having Covid and I found it both embarrassing and boring to watch. We were out played by a team who if they had Pitman up front for them would have been out of sight by halftime. I was not at all impressed by their forwards and overall I think our tactics made Swindon look a far better side than they actually are. I want to see Sam Frost asking Joey such questions as 1. Joey you have played one up front most of the season and it is clearly not working and making us look relegation fodder- you have forward players like Collins,Saunders and Spence and yet you persevere with this boring set up? 2. Joey you made very clear your opinions on Ben Garner as a Manager and yet he was in a similar position if not worse than you at the start of the season and yet has clearly given us a right turning over? 3.Joey, I know you have injuries but how long can you afford to wait for these players to come back now you have your "superior back room staff " to last season and yet we seem to have a far worse injury record this season? 4. Joey why do you persevere with three at the back when you have players who could play as full backs in a flat back four- Houll, Anderton, Brown and the three is clearly not working as we end up defending totally with both wing backs being needed to defend for most of the match and also having to play with two defensive midfielders in a home match? 5. Joey How are you going to put things right and by that I mean getting your tactics right and not "working harder on the training field" because after 10 games your work on the training field is clearly not working and I would go as far as to say that the only evidence we have of what occurs at the training ground is injuries? 6. Joey, Why do you persevere with 11 players in the penalty area for corners and yet if you look at the goals conceded most of them have occurred in exactly this situation. It seems to me that just hoofing the ball away is a waste of time when you have nobody up the field to chase or harry opponents and the ball comes straight back and we are under pressure again. 7. Joey, 35% possession in a home game against League 2 opponents is not a figure that Bristol Rovers supporters expect to watch. How are you going to put this right? Surely this line of questioning is more appropriate than just accepting when he says we will be working hard at the training ground and just asking such things as Is there any news on injuries? Reading your interviews is about as frustrating as watching the bloody football!! Steve, How on earth can you still be pro Barton? Every single week, you critique Barton's strategy/tactics - and every week they get lambasted (fairly). So here's the thing. Forget whether or not people like him as a person Forget the injuries we've got Forget the questionable decisions we've had go against us from time to time Surely - and I imagine you agree - the BARE minimum we would expect from him is to get it right tactically. As ultimately, there is no excuse for that - it is the one thing he has complete control over. Yet week after week, he gets it wrong. You yourself are aware of this, as your posts correctly point out the flaws in his setup. So, despite him not even being able to get that right, what on earth do you see in him to think he's still the right man for the job?
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Post by titchthephot on Oct 4, 2021 10:00:21 GMT
I expect Sam was scared of getting decked by Barton- although unless he is a lot smaller, weaker and an easy target Barton wouldn't dare do anything - he is the archetypal bully.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 4, 2021 10:12:11 GMT
RoverDrive, I have become over many years of watching Rovers more willing to accept now that there is little point in not trying to stay behind the Manager because I have no influence over this and certainly neither have or know anybody who has the money to buy the decision maker (Wael) out. I feel we have allowed JB far too much control to sack him as we have recently sacked both Garner and Tisdale probably without giving them enough time. I look at our squad and I actually think JB has done a pretty good job to get the players we have and there are some good players here. I don't like the tactics at all but rest in hope that JB will change these at some stage even if it occurs by accident with players injured. I can also say that I have no faith whatsoever in Waels ability to get an appointment right and therefore maybe I am using the "Better the devil you know". I would further point out that my belief is that there should be a rule that clubs should employ a Manager for the season and not be allowed to replace them other than for ill health. Of course this will never occur because contracts in general are not worth the paper they are written on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 10:17:39 GMT
Not easy for Frosty, if you upset the club's management then you get no news and put yourself out of a job. Local journalist have to tread a fine line.
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 4, 2021 10:29:47 GMT
Not easy for Frosty, if you upset the club's management then you get no news and put yourself out of a job. Local journalist have to tread a fine line. There are ways of putting the awkward questions, though. As we've seen Joey is rarely short of a few words in response.
I agree with Steve that we need a lot more to be asked Joey - the team are in a desperately poor position. JB has had a complete clear out of playing staff, a full pre-season and now 10 games in we are looking very poor. Swindon were on the bones of their arse, had no more than a 5-a-side team of contracted players until a few weeks before the season and recruited with a smaller budget. Yet they were able to completely embarrass us on Saturday.
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 4, 2021 10:38:01 GMT
Completely agree with you Steve. I was pro Barton but now I want him gone. I have no football manager experience at all. However even I can see playing wingbacks with 2 Dcms just isn’t working. Our back 3 become a back 7 and we just get penned inside our own half with no outlet to go forward. When our wingbacks do decide to roam forward we lose the ball and get caught out down the sides of our backline because our 3 central defenders are all too slow to get across and cover. I am absolutely shocked Barton couldn’t see this Saturday and in previous games.
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 4, 2021 10:40:33 GMT
We've gone past the point of asking questions in my opinion.
He should have been sacked or taken up on his offer to leave after Saturdays debacle.
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Post by RD on Oct 4, 2021 11:00:38 GMT
RoverDrive, I have become over many years of watching Rovers more willing to accept now that there is little point in not trying to stay behind the Manager because I have no influence over this and certainly neither have or know anybody who has the money to buy the decision maker (Wael) out. I feel we have allowed JB far too much control to sack him as we have recently sacked both Garner and Tisdale probably without giving them enough time. I look at our squad and I actually think JB has done a pretty good job to get the players we have and there are some good players here. I don't like the tactics at all but rest in hope that JB will change these at some stage even if it occurs by accident with players injured. I can also say that I have no faith whatsoever in Waels ability to get an appointment right and therefore maybe I am using the "Better the devil you know". I would further point out that my belief is that there should be a rule that clubs should employ a Manager for the season and not be allowed to replace them other than for ill health. Of course this will never occur because contracts in general are not worth the paper they are written on. Fair enough. I'm not as confident that the squad we've put together is of any quality at all. For me it's disjoined, lacks pace, relies on too many injury prone players - the list goes on. Goalkeeper, Finley and a couple of loans aside, I think all of them are average at best, with the majority representing a step backward from last year - unbelievable I know!! There is no way (in my eyes) this squad is good enough for promotion. I actually think it's one of the weaker squads in the division and that that - coupled with a completely incompetent manager - we'll almost certainly be sent back to non-league oblivion if we continue on the path we are headed. In my mind, Joey's performance is so bad (the worst manager in our history in fact) that it's not exactly much of gamble. Is Flynn the answer? No idea. But would I take him in a heartbeat over JB? You bet I would.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 4, 2021 11:53:11 GMT
I think Flynn is targetting a job far higher than Bristol Rovers and I have nil confidence in Wael to recruit a new man. I don't think there are many if any League 2 teams with as good a bench as we had Saturday. As a squad I think it is good but poorly set up as regards balance and attacking.
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Post by cj on Oct 4, 2021 12:31:52 GMT
RoverDrive, I have become over many years of watching Rovers more willing to accept now that there is little point in not trying to stay behind the Manager because I have no influence over this and certainly neither have or know anybody who has the money to buy the decision maker (Wael) out. I feel we have allowed JB far too much control to sack him as we have recently sacked both Garner and Tisdale probably without giving them enough time. I look at our squad and I actually think JB has done a pretty good job to get the players we have and there are some good players here. I don't like the tactics at all but rest in hope that JB will change these at some stage even if it occurs by accident with players injured. I can also say that I have no faith whatsoever in Waels ability to get an appointment right and therefore maybe I am using the "Better the devil you know". I would further point out that my belief is that there should be a rule that clubs should employ a Manager for the season and not be allowed to replace them other than for ill health. Of course this will never occur because contracts in general are not worth the paper they are written on. I like this idea. I've said similar in the past where I feel there needs to be a window for managerial arrival/departures, like players have for the transfer window for example. However, i'm sure this will go against some employment law.
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Post by cj on Oct 4, 2021 12:45:07 GMT
I know he is only a local paper journalist but surely it is time that he should be questioning Joey Barton far more closely on things like his tactics and team selection. He seems to give the Manager a very easy time every week. I am still pro Barton but my support is starting to wear thin when I watch rubbish like Saturday. It was my first match since Exeter away due to having Covid and I found it both embarrassing and boring to watch. We were out played by a team who if they had Pitman up front for them would have been out of sight by halftime. I was not at all impressed by their forwards and overall I think our tactics made Swindon look a far better side than they actually are. I want to see Sam Frost asking Joey such questions as 1. Joey you have played one up front most of the season and it is clearly not working and making us look relegation fodder- you have forward players like Collins,Saunders and Spence and yet you persevere with this boring set up? 2. Joey you made very clear your opinions on Ben Garner as a Manager and yet he was in a similar position if not worse than you at the start of the season and yet has clearly given us a right turning over? 3.Joey, I know you have injuries but how long can you afford to wait for these players to come back now you have your "superior back room staff " to last season and yet we seem to have a far worse injury record this season? 4. Joey why do you persevere with three at the back when you have players who could play as full backs in a flat back four- Houll, Anderton, Brown and the three is clearly not working as we end up defending totally with both wing backs being needed to defend for most of the match and also having to play with two defensive midfielders in a home match? 5. Joey How are you going to put things right and by that I mean getting your tactics right and not "working harder on the training field" because after 10 games your work on the training field is clearly not working and I would go as far as to say that the only evidence we have of what occurs at the training ground is injuries? 6. Joey, Why do you persevere with 11 players in the penalty area for corners and yet if you look at the goals conceded most of them have occurred in exactly this situation. It seems to me that just hoofing the ball away is a waste of time when you have nobody up the field to chase or harry opponents and the ball comes straight back and we are under pressure again. 7. Joey, 35% possession in a home game against League 2 opponents is not a figure that Bristol Rovers supporters expect to watch. How are you going to put this right? Surely this line of questioning is more appropriate than just accepting when he says we will be working hard at the training ground and just asking such things as Is there any news on injuries? Reading your interviews is about as frustrating as watching the bloody football!! Steve, How on earth can you still be pro Barton? Every single week, you critique Barton's strategy/tactics - and every week they get lambasted (fairly). So here's the thing. Forget whether or not people like him as a person Forget the injuries we've got Forget the questionable decisions we've had go against us from time to time Surely - and I imagine you agree - the BARE minimum we would expect from him is to get it right tactically. As ultimately, there is no excuse for that - it is the one thing he has complete control over.
Yet week after week, he gets it wrong. You yourself are aware of this, as your posts correctly point out the flaws in his setup. So, despite him not even being able to get that right, what on earth do you see in him to think he's still the right man for the job? DC often got it wrong tactically but the difference was, DC wasn't arrogant/stubborn and continued to stick with the wrong tactics like JB. DC immediately made tactical changes very early in games - often within the first 20-30 minutes, after noticing he got it wrong. 2 promotions showed DC was very successful at this. JB however..... so far, has lost 19 games in 28 league games.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Oct 4, 2021 12:55:40 GMT
Joey.... When you need a goal our of anywhere, why do you substitute Pitman for one of the biggest cowards on the pitch, Westbrook?
...you said the best finisher in the club was Spence, why wasn't he a better alternative?
Our whole media department doesn't ask the questions fans ask regularly. Frost follows the club's lead and doesn't want to be controversial.
There should be a question answer session from the manager to fans once a week.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 4, 2021 13:55:12 GMT
So we've gone from the supporters are a joke to the local reporter is a joke (add in some seasoning of criticising home grown talents). You'll get there eventually Steve. 😉
By the way that Darrell bloke isn't doing too bad is he?
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 4, 2021 14:25:32 GMT
Has Frosty responded yet? maybe send him a link
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Post by alanrg on Oct 4, 2021 14:39:19 GMT
Steve K I agree with what you say about Sam Frost giving Joey Barton a easy ride you forgot to mention that Radio Bristol on Saturday night gave him not a hard time these organisations should stop pussy footing about
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