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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 15:44:07 GMT
Bring back Swifty.
Any hack who asks the searching questions which Ray Graydon banned him from the training ground is good enough for me.
Swifty's ban was reversed by the board following the lack of coverage in the Bristol Post which caused the club major issues.
Sam Frost asks questions but never follows up to get the answers we are all looking for.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 4, 2021 15:46:48 GMT
Bring back Swifty. Any hack who asks the searching questions which Ray Graydon banned him from the training ground is good enough for me. Swifty's ban was reversed by the board following the lack of coverage in the Bristol Post which caused the club major issues. Sam Frost asks questions but never follows up to get the answers we are all looking for. Trouble is he's probably limited. Wael doesn't like people going against him it seems so he would probably put himself out of a job. It's much easier for the likes of Twentyman to have a pop. Twentyman is good at this by the way.
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 4, 2021 19:17:36 GMT
I think the questions regarding 'puzzling' tactics are the important ones and the ones we are all asking, i just do not understand why he perseveres with them when there failure could well cost him his job, JB you HAVE to change things for your own good and for Bristol Rovers! I still back him as i would all Rovers managers also because his past is well documented and being an old sentimentalist i love seeing some one who had the toughest of starts in life , has made many mistakes , defy the odds and the critics , and come out on top and succeed, i guess i just love happy endings! I know some will disagree, that's fine , its just not in my nature to wish failure on any one ( excepting anybody charged with improving the lot of City!)
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 4, 2021 19:30:57 GMT
Well said Halifax Utg 💙
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Post by oldie on Oct 4, 2021 19:44:38 GMT
I think the questions regarding 'puzzling' tactics are the important ones and the ones we are all asking, i just do not understand why he perseveres with them when there failure could well cost him his job, JB you HAVE to change things for your own good and for Bristol Rovers! I still back him as i would all Rovers managers also because his past is well documented and being an old sentimentalist i love seeing some one who had the toughest of starts in life , has made many mistakes , defy the odds and the critics , and come out on top and succeed, i guess i just love happy endings! I know some will disagree, that's fine , its just not in my nature to wish failure on any one ( excepting anybody charged with improving the lot of City!) So One's background gives you carte blanch to be a violent thug, to spout pseudo intellectual nonsense and to be professionally inept
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 4, 2021 19:51:52 GMT
I think the questions regarding 'puzzling' tactics are the important ones and the ones we are all asking, i just do not understand why he perseveres with them when there failure could well cost him his job, JB you HAVE to change things for your own good and for Bristol Rovers! I still back him as i would all Rovers managers also because his past is well documented and being an old sentimentalist i love seeing some one who had the toughest of starts in life , has made many mistakes , defy the odds and the critics , and come out on top and succeed, i guess i just love happy endings! I know some will disagree, that's fine , its just not in my nature to wish failure on any one ( excepting anybody charged with improving the lot of City!) So One's background gives you carte blanch to be a violent thug, to spout pseudo intellectual nonsense and to be professionally inept As i said ' some will disagree, that's fine'
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Post by adrian301 on Oct 4, 2021 20:09:59 GMT
Sam Frost does give all the managers an easy time, because he gives them the answers in his questions. If you ask nearly all your questions with a "I suppose" etc etc. Any manager will say "Yes, that's right" Too easy. He does it all the time, so as not to challenge, and be liked.
Am I being harsh?
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Post by oldie on Oct 4, 2021 20:17:22 GMT
So One's background gives you carte blanch to be a violent thug, to spout pseudo intellectual nonsense and to be professionally inept As i said ' some will disagree, that's fine' Not a question of disagreeing, it's about posting emotive nonsense when something we care about is disintegrating before I eyes, currently led on the playing side by a morally bankrupt individual who also appears to be professionally incompetent. Perhaps you might also advocate giving fascists a chance if they come from disadvantaged backgrounds? Is that your stance?
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Post by rememberhalifax on Oct 4, 2021 21:08:36 GMT
As i said ' some will disagree, that's fine' Not a question of disagreeing, it's about posting emotive nonsense when something we care about is disintegrating before I eyes, currently led on the playing side by a morally bankrupt individual who also appears to be professionally incompetent. Perhaps you might also advocate giving fascists a chance if they come from disadvantaged backgrounds? Is that your stance? You seem to get awfully upset when someone does not agree with you? i am respectful of yours and others opinions ,please have the curtesy to be respectful of mine, thank you and good night!
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Post by theogas on Oct 5, 2021 7:43:08 GMT
Sam Frost does give all the managers an easy time, because he gives them the answers in his questions. If you ask nearly all your questions with a "I suppose" etc etc. Any manager will say "Yes, that's right" Too easy. He does it all the time, so as not to challenge, and be liked. Am I being harsh? I agree with this but that is the BBC reporter who does that not Sam Frost, after the rubbish BBC answer/questions Frosty actually asks some decent ones
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 5, 2021 9:27:14 GMT
oldie has no respect for anybody who doesn't agree with him BUT he is a gashead like the rest of us and for that I respect his opinion if not the way he puts it. He is an angry man and who isn't an angry man or woman at this time if you support Bristol Rover? It is clear Wael is not going to sack JB and personally I do not believe he will sack him even if he is proven guilty in either case or both UNLESS he receives a prison sentence. In view of this all these insults between supporters are pointless. My only hope is that JB will see that boring defensive tactics will get us nowhere and we must start attacking teams and make eleven back for corners a thing of the past.
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Post by alanrg on Oct 5, 2021 9:37:01 GMT
For once SteveK I disagree with you on this lose Saturday and Barton will be gone the atmosphere will be so toxic like Buckles reign ended
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Post by poorblue on Oct 5, 2021 10:23:27 GMT
DC often got it wrong tactically but the difference was, DC wasn't arrogant/stubborn and continued to stick with the wrong tactics like JB. DC immediately made tactical changes very early in games - often within the first 20-30 minutes, after noticing he got it wrong. 2 promotions showed DC was very successful at this. JB however..... so far, has lost 19 games in 28 league games. Both managers plan their tactics before kick off. So the opposition manager for the first 20 mins got it right and DC got it wrong so DC changes tactics after 20 mins to correct his mistake. The opposite manger then assesses DC changes for 20 mins and then changes his tactics to counteract DC changes. This is repeated several more times throughout the match. The players meantime can only play either with their left foot or their right foot, some have no pace others are CH but playing as CF. RB are playing overlapping wing halves on the left. Strikers are playing "off the shoulder" but are carrying a shoulder injury so drop off deep, thus the DCM has to move up front to play in between. Wingers (anyone remember them?) sit on the bench as they can't defend and there is no-one in the box anyway even if the ball was crossed. The laziest Gas player I ever watched played out wide and did nothing all match except he would score for fun, Cureton. The most injured player who came off his sick bed time and time again earning the nickname Lazarus, he also scored for fun, Penrice. Why is it that players who have been taught football professionally from aged 10 -25 in multiple positions and multiple tactical scenarios sometimes don't seem able to read the game as it is taking place and need a manager to tell them? Why is it always the manager's tactics at fault following a loss rather that players not able to perform or adjust it for themselves on the pitch. Does a managers tactics following a win mean the tactics were correct?
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Post by RD on Oct 5, 2021 10:54:39 GMT
DC often got it wrong tactically but the difference was, DC wasn't arrogant/stubborn and continued to stick with the wrong tactics like JB. DC immediately made tactical changes very early in games - often within the first 20-30 minutes, after noticing he got it wrong. 2 promotions showed DC was very successful at this. JB however..... so far, has lost 19 games in 28 league games. Both managers plan their tactics before kick off. So the opposition manager for the first 20 mins got it right and DC got it wrong so DC changes tactics after 20 mins to correct his mistake. The opposite manger then assesses DC changes for 20 mins and then changes his tactics to counteract DC changes. This is repeated several more times throughout the match. The players meantime can only play either with their left foot or their right foot, some have no pace others are CH but playing as CF. RB are playing overlapping wing halves on the left. Strikers are playing "off the shoulder" but are carrying a shoulder injury so drop off deep, thus the DCM has to move up front to play in between. Wingers (anyone remember them?) sit on the bench as they can't defend and there is no-one in the box anyway even if the ball was crossed. The laziest Gas player I ever watched played out wide and did nothing all match except he would score for fun, Cureton. The most injured player who came off his sick bed time and time again earning the nickname Lazarus, he also scored for fun, Penrice. Why is it that players who have been taught football professionally from aged 10 -25 in multiple positions and multiple tactical scenarios sometimes don't seem able to read the game as it is taking place and need a manager to tell them? Why is it always the manager's tactics at fault following a loss rather that players not able to perform or adjust it for themselves on the pitch. Does a managers tactics following a win mean the tactics were correct? Don't really understand your point to be honest. What exactly is the point of the manager then? Purely motivation? As Barton sucks at that too - in fact, I'd argue he's the worst at man management in the history of the game.
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Post by aghast on Oct 5, 2021 13:15:51 GMT
For once SteveK I disagree with you on this lose Saturday and Barton will be gone the atmosphere will be so toxic like Buckles reign ended I'm not sure now. Wael's clearly not going to sack him after the Swindon debacle, since he's had time enough to make his mind up about that. If he can tolerate Barton losing, and losing badly, to a previous manager he dismissed, and also give Barton a vote of confidence in private and on television, than I reckon he can tolerate a lot more yet. I don't think we'll see the last of Joey for some time yet. Makes me mad that we've missed out on Flynn, who will have sailed off elsewhere by the time Barton finally gets his P45. And since we'll probably then be bottom of L2, who the hell are we going to appoint? Someone internal? But they're all Joey's mates. 🙄
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Post by RD on Oct 5, 2021 14:01:49 GMT
For once SteveK I disagree with you on this lose Saturday and Barton will be gone the atmosphere will be so toxic like Buckles reign ended I'm not sure now. Wael's clearly not going to sack him after the Swindon debacle, since he's had time enough to make his mind up about that. If he can tolerate Barton losing, and losing badly, to a previous manager he dismissed, and also give Barton a vote of confidence in private and on television, than I reckon he can tolerate a lot more yet. I don't think we'll see the last of Joey for some time yet. Makes me mad that we've missed out on Flynn, who will have sailed off elsewhere by the time Barton finally gets his P45. And since we'll probably then be bottom of L2, who the hell are we going to appoint? Someone internal? But they're all Joey's mates. 🙄 If he loses the next two on the trot, he'll be gone. At that point we'd be looking at full scale riots, so there's no way he could stand by him then. 2 games is a long time in football - we've seen it on here with some that support JB and by the end of the next 90 minutes they realise they've seen enough. We just have to hope we lose the next 2.
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Post by bobbyjones on Oct 5, 2021 15:07:21 GMT
I hope we do not lose either of the next two, but Barton has to go.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 5, 2021 20:17:11 GMT
Have we enough fans going to games to create a riot? Seemed like supporters were outnumbered by the police on Saturday and dread to think what the attendance will be Saturday. Do they count in the attendance?
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Post by Jomo on Oct 5, 2021 20:20:57 GMT
Bring back Swifty. Any hack who asks the searching questions which Ray Graydon banned him from the training ground is good enough for me. Swifty's ban was reversed by the board following the lack of coverage in the Bristol Post which caused the club major issues. Sam Frost asks questions but never follows up to get the answers we are all looking for. Trouble is he's probably limited. Wael doesn't like people going against him it seems so he would probably put himself out of a job. It's much easier for the likes of Twentyman to have a pop. Twentyman is good at this by the way. 20man is good, but he's not that great. I remember clearly when Wael was on Having A Gas a few years ago, and 20man was probing him regarding the lack of progress on the training ground. Wael skirted around the question and gave wholly unsatisfactory answers, and Geoff didn't do a lot to probe further.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Oct 5, 2021 20:21:18 GMT
I'm not sure now. Wael's clearly not going to sack him after the Swindon debacle, since he's had time enough to make his mind up about that. If he can tolerate Barton losing, and losing badly, to a previous manager he dismissed, and also give Barton a vote of confidence in private and on television, than I reckon he can tolerate a lot more yet. I don't think we'll see the last of Joey for some time yet. Makes me mad that we've missed out on Flynn, who will have sailed off elsewhere by the time Barton finally gets his P45. And since we'll probably then be bottom of L2, who the hell are we going to appoint? Someone internal? But they're all Joey's mates. 🙄 If he loses the next two on the trot, he'll be gone. At that point we'd be looking at full scale riots, so there's no way he could stand by him then. 2 games is a long time in football - we've seen it on here with some that support JB and by the end of the next 90 minutes they realise they've seen enough. We just have to hope we lose the next 2. Full scale riots? Rovers fans have never been very good when it comes to protesting, apart from booing and chanting. The biggest "protest" I've seen was against Mansfied, and it was a bit late by then - we were out of the league.
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