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Post by chewbacca on Oct 12, 2021 23:30:45 GMT
Including Graham Coughlan’s last game at Rovers in first team fixtures:
P91 W23 D15 L53
Win Percentage - 25.27%
6 Managers using 70 Players.
That’s one year and ten months!
Giving repeated managers carte blanche to completely purge the playing staff twice in as many seasons is utterly insane and cannot continue. If Barton does go a policy of make do and mend needs to be brought in. It’s insane that only 3 players who played against Ipswich remain at the club. Consistency comes from a consistent approach. We’re miles off that.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 12, 2021 23:40:44 GMT
The truth is chewbacca this whole situation since Coughlin left has been caused by the Owner wishing to drastically reduce the Wage Budget. JCH was not adequately replaced because strikers with a good record in any division cost money and it has been the same situation this season. BG's instructions were to reduce the wages by getting rid of as many of the big payers as possible. JB has had to do similar. We will never become a successful club with this policy.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 13, 2021 5:31:39 GMT
The truth is chewbacca this whole situation since Coughlin left has been caused by the Owner wishing to drastically reduce the Wage Budget. JCH was not adequately replaced because strikers with a good record in any division cost money and it has been the same situation this season. BG's instructions were to reduce the wages by getting rid of as many of the big payers as possible. JB has had to do similar. We will never become a successful club with this policy. ….and it’s probably ended up costing us more money anyway , plus we’re a division below. |
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Post by Congas on Oct 13, 2021 5:36:56 GMT
I still find myself googling players during a game to see who they are. I know others do too by the number of questions on social media like "who's that kid with the dyed blond hair?". Two clear-outs in a year is sheer madness, especially when both fail to bring in a decent striker. So much for evolution.
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Post by chilly1883 on Oct 13, 2021 5:48:36 GMT
This has been my issue, with fans wanting managers sacked constantly. It doesn’t work! 3 managers can’t be wrong, they’ve all been given the same instructions, by the same board. I might not agree with Some Of Barton’s alleged antics, but unless proved guilty for anything, he needs to stay in for the season, at least.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 13, 2021 8:30:49 GMT
3 managers can’t be wrong Ludicrous statement. It's quite plain that it's possible for three managers to be wrong. It's just fundamental to the nature of existence. |
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Post by oldie on Oct 13, 2021 8:38:06 GMT
3 managers can’t be wrong Ludicrous statement. It's quite plain that it's possible for three managers to be wrong. It's just fundamental to the nature of existence. Logic AF, logic. Opposing blind faith. |
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Post by titchthephot on Oct 13, 2021 9:09:14 GMT
I still say that the reason for sacking Barton isn't because he is a useless manager (although he is doing his utmost to prove he is!!) it's because he is a terrible human being and should never have been employed in the first place. Yes we need consistency but we will never achieve it with our current deranged manager. Just listen to his press talks...the man has lost the plot (if he ever had it in the first place). No, it's not good having 3 managers (hopefully we will be on our fourth soon) but we need to have a decent manager in the first place and then stick with him. Oh how I wish Wael had the same faith in DC as he has in Barton - we certainly wouldn't be in this mess now. Our turmoil isn't over yet and won't be until we get a manager who can stabilise the team and bring the fans back together. It needs to happen soon before Barton drags us back into the Conference.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 13, 2021 10:02:12 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, I’d bin off Barton. He’s utterly sh**e. That said the next manager cannot rip things up and start again, that’s the issue.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 13, 2021 10:26:52 GMT
The truth is chewbacca this whole situation since Coughlin left has been caused by the Owner wishing to drastically reduce the Wage Budget. JCH was not adequately replaced because strikers with a good record in any division cost money and it has been the same situation this season. BG's instructions were to reduce the wages by getting rid of as many of the big payers as possible. JB has had to do similar. We will never become a successful club with this policy. That depends on what you are getting for the budget though Steve. We had a budget of £2.65 million that season. Now if we had players that were shooting us at the sharp end of the league then it was money well spent. But if you recall, when DC left and GC took charge we were near the bottom of the league, had players like Ed Upson, Kyle Bennett and Tony Craig on long and very well numerated contracts and still the owner spent more money on keeping us up that year. £2.65m playing budget for a club our size, with our income and with our ground is massively unsustainable unless you have a conveyor belt of talent in that playing squad where you can move 2 or 3 on per year for huge transfer fees. There had to be a change in management, culture and spend to get it right. Crewe Alexandra had exactly the same issue about 5 years ago, they dropped down to L2, overhauled their management and academy and went up season before last and sold on 3-4 of their star performers. Players like Anthony Evans, Harvey Saunders, Aaron Collins could be major players for us over the next 18 months. I don’t like JB as a person and I’m not overly keen on him as a manager but I think we have to learn from the Garner experience of when to get rid of a gaffer and imo we sacked Garner at the wrong time. We should have either sacked him in June and gotten someone in for pre season or sacked him in December if it was still looking bleak. |
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Post by Congas on Oct 13, 2021 10:31:12 GMT
Don’t get me wrong, I’d bin off Barton. He’s utterly sh**e. That said the next manager cannot rip things up and start again, that’s the issue. Any decent manager wouldn't have to. There are some good young players there to build a new team around. They'd just have to tweak it a bit, not toss them all out and start again. |
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Post by chilly1883 on Oct 13, 2021 11:30:02 GMT
3 managers can’t be wrong Ludicrous statement. It's quite plain that it's possible for three managers to be wrong. It's just fundamental to the nature of existence. what is ludicrous about that statement? Are you saying that the strikers those managers wanted, they got? We haven’t scored enough goals since JCH left. That’s been our main problem. Cutting our cloth, which the board wanted to do, is the reason for our demise. Pay peanuts get monkeys. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 13, 2021 11:38:33 GMT
Ludicrous statement. It's quite plain that it's possible for three managers to be wrong. It's just fundamental to the nature of existence. what is ludicrous about that statement? Are you saying that the strikers those managers wanted, they got? We haven’t scored enough goals since JCH left. That’s been our main problem. Cutting our cloth, which the board wanted to do, is the reason for our demise. Pay peanuts get monkeys. Has the Board actually cut the budget? I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere that although in Lge2, a Lge 1 budget was available? |
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Post by js67 on Oct 13, 2021 11:48:24 GMT
Must say I had a great chat with Joey at Forest Green Rovers last night, came across very well,really seems to have the Gas at heart,my own judgement of course but a really likeable chap, I for one would be very happy if Joey in 12 months time has turned this club in the right direction and all us gas heads are united in pushing our great club onwards.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 13, 2021 11:52:05 GMT
Must say I had a great chat with Joey at Forest Green Rovers last night, came across very well,really seems to have the Gas at heart,my own judgement of course but a really likeable chap, I for one would be very happy if Joey in 12 months time has turned this club in the right direction and all us gas heads are united in pushing our great club onwards. How can we be united when some don't think he should be here? (for non football reasons) |
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 13, 2021 12:00:29 GMT
what is ludicrous about that statement? Are you saying that the strikers those managers wanted, they got? We haven’t scored enough goals since JCH left. That’s been our main problem. Cutting our cloth, which the board wanted to do, is the reason for our demise. Pay peanuts get monkeys. Has the Board actually cut the budget? I'm sure it was mentioned somewhere that although in Lge2, a Lge 1 budget was available? It did trim the budget from £2.65m to £1.8m (I think) for the Garner season. Of that budget we were still paying Kyle Bennett and Bernard Mensah! |
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Post by js67 on Oct 13, 2021 12:00:48 GMT
We are not here to judge non footballing reasons 👍
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 13, 2021 12:00:55 GMT
Must say I had a great chat with Joey at Forest Green Rovers last night, came across very well,really seems to have the Gas at heart,my own judgement of course but a really likeable chap, I for one would be very happy if Joey in 12 months time has turned this club in the right direction and all us gas heads are united in pushing our great club onwards. What did he say? |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 13, 2021 12:18:45 GMT
Ludicrous statement. It's quite plain that it's possible for three managers to be wrong. It's just fundamental to the nature of existence. what is ludicrous about that statement? Are you saying that the strikers those managers wanted, they got? We haven’t scored enough goals since JCH left. That’s been our main problem. Cutting our cloth, which the board wanted to do, is the reason for our demise. Pay peanuts get monkeys. No, I'm saying that the idea that three managers cannot be wrong is inherently untrue. This is obvious. The three managers in question haven't even agreed with each other. Using the idea of three managers not being able to be wrong as the basis for your argument undermines that argument. I agree we've had a series of underperforming strikers but that has nothing to do with whether a number of managers must be right. In any case, we had a higher relative budget than our position in the table last season, and currently this season, so that cannot be the reason for our demise. If it was all about budget we'd still be in the third tier. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2021 12:21:10 GMT
If reports were correct that JB allegedly offered to walk for the sake of the club, shows me he's in it for his personal growth and to accelerate his career, based on his results with the Gas. Or he fails and falls into the Managerial abyss and stays at the bottom of the pyramid.
Either way I guess he is wealthy enough not to be doing the Gas job for the wages (although he's probably top end of the L2 pay scale). Leaving it purely to Football, I cant think that a change now would be anything but detrimental to our season.
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