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Post by checker on Oct 23, 2021 18:51:54 GMT
I thought it would be useful to compare this season's League 2 position / points with the 2016-17 season. Here's where we were then:  So, this year Rovers are 5 points worse off and 5 places lower, a record of 4-3-7 this season vs 6-2-6 under DC. Obviously one big difference between these seasons is that one was coming off a relegation and one off a promotion. One team had players who were on the up, the current one has players who, for various reasons, haven't been (otherwise they wouldn't be here). But in this league, isn't the experience that sides coming up, who have a developing squad, who know how each other play etc. do much better than sides who've been relegated and have to gel a new squad? Yet fans tend to feel that going down into L2 should mean better performance at the lower level than being promoted into it - which is wrong. At this stage of the season, isn't a newly minted side having lost only one more game than the 2016-17 side doing ok? Shouldn't we have more patience? |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 23, 2021 18:54:30 GMT
I thought it would be useful to compare this season's League 2 position / points with the 2016-17 season. Here's where we were then: So, this year Rovers are 5 points worse off and 5 places lower, a record of 4-3-7 this season vs 6-2-6 under DC. Obviously one big difference between these seasons is that one was coming off a relegation and one off a promotion. One team had players who were on the up, the current one has players who, for various reasons, haven't been (otherwise they wouldn't be here). But in this league, isn't the experience that sides coming up, who have a developing squad, who know how each other play etc. do much better than sides who've been relegated and have to gel a new squad? Yet fans tend to feel that going down into L2 should mean better performance at the lower level than being promoted into it - which is wrong. At this stage of the season, isn't a newly minted side having lost only one more game than the 2016-17 side doing ok? Shouldn't we have more patience? While partially true.. 4 teams came down from last season 3rd 6th 15th As for time to gel.. Swindon and Garner...? |
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Post by axegas on Oct 23, 2021 19:05:09 GMT
So we’ve won less games, lost more games, scored less goals and conceded more goals than a team that we had infinitely more faith in and a team that was probably put together on a lower budget than we have now, and you’re using that to call for patience?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 23, 2021 19:07:52 GMT
So we’ve won less games, lost more games, scored less goals and conceded more goals than a team that we had infinitely more faith in and a team that was probably put together on a lower budget than we have now, and you’re using that to call for patience? True axegas. I admire the positivity from the op but let's call a spade a spade. |
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Post by axegas on Oct 23, 2021 19:13:19 GMT
So we’ve won less games, lost more games, scored less goals and conceded more goals than a team that we had infinitely more faith in and a team that was probably put together on a lower budget than we have now, and you’re using that to call for patience? True axegas. I admire the positivity from the op but let's call a spade a spade. If memory serves me right, from about 15 games and onwards that year we started building consistency and getting the best out of Taylor and Bodin. If this side can keep up with that side after 10 more games there is a comparison to be made, but for now it’s essentially picking a team out that made a bad start and saying “look we should be confident because even though we’ve made a worser start than them, that other team got promoted that year” Which is clutching at straws really. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 23, 2021 19:17:31 GMT
True axegas. I admire the positivity from the op but let's call a spade a spade. If memory serves me right, from about 15 games and onwards that year we started building consistency and getting the best out of Taylor and Bodin. If this side can keep up with that side after 10 more games there is a comparison to be made, but for now it’s essentially picking a team out that made a bad start and saying “look we should be confident because even though we’ve made a worser start than them, that other team got promoted that year” The only reason I have a bit of positivity left in me is that I think we have some good inidividual players. If we had a new manager that in that could sort out the defence, add another striker and get Leon Clarke back fit. Get the team having a clear identity then we may improve markedly. It is not a complete mess. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 23, 2021 19:30:48 GMT
History confirms that DC was a good manager, JB's time at Rovers suggests otherwise we could be patient but result might never improve, today's game was particularly disappointing after three reasonable performances, particularly when Newport aren't that string a side and after 15 minutes had lost three of their best players due to injury/suspensions.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 23, 2021 21:40:31 GMT
Pretty sure the title of the thread is wrong. Surely it was the 2015-16 season. The season 2016-17 we were in League 1.
UTG!
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Post by Gas-Ed on Oct 23, 2021 21:55:55 GMT
Pretty sure the title of the thread is wrong. Surely it was the 2015-16 season. The season 2016-17 we were in League 1. UTG! Correct. |
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Post by I Voted For Kodos on Oct 23, 2021 22:09:40 GMT
But another way of looking at it is that even if we match the form of that DC team over the remaining 32 games (no mean feat) then we'd likely be 5 points short of an automatic spot.
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Post by warehamgas on Oct 23, 2021 22:31:11 GMT
In that promotion season 15/16, DC couldn’t get a home win early on but our away form kept us mid table. But in our last 14 home league games, from November, we had 13 wins out of 14. And despite that we relied on Accrington not beating Stevenage in the last match to go up. Little chance of that this time, sadly.
Christ, I hate this league, everyone thinks we’ll walk it and it never, ever works out like that.
UTG!
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Oct 23, 2021 22:35:50 GMT
So we’ve won less games, lost more games, scored less goals and conceded more goals than a team that we had infinitely more faith in and a team that was probably put together on a lower budget than we have now, and you’re using that to call for patience? True axegas. I admire the positivity from the op but let's call a spade a spade. We're forked. |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 23, 2021 22:45:19 GMT
Ironically, its pretty much 6 years to the day when we got beat at home by Newport 4-1.
I remember there were calls for DC to go after that game.
I think he was given time because he got us promoted. Which is fair enough, and it was the correct decision as we ended up getting promoted again.
That's where the similarities end.
That squad had Billy Bodin, Matty Taylor, Ellis Harrison, Jermaine Easter, Tom Lockyer, Lee Brown etc who would all walk into this team.
When you add in, Bartons shocking record since he took the job, it's almost like Chalk & Cheese
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 23, 2021 23:05:48 GMT
Ironically, its pretty much 6 years to the day when we got beat at home to Newport 4-1. I remember there were calls for DC to go after that game. I think he was given time because he got us promoted. Which is fair enough, and it was the correct decision as we ended up getting promoted again. That's where the similarities end. That squad had Billy Bodin, Matty Taylor, Ellis Harrison, Jermaine Easter, Tom Lockyer, Lee Brown etc who would all walk into this team. When you add in, Bartons shocking record since he took the job, it's almost like Chalk & Cheese And which former Gas player played in both games? |
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Post by orgasmic on Oct 23, 2021 23:06:40 GMT
Ironically, its pretty much 6 years to the day when we got beat at home to Newport 4-1. I remember there were calls for DC to go after that game. I think he was given time because he got us promoted. Which is fair enough, and it was the correct decision as we ended up getting promoted again. That's where the similarities end. That squad had Billy Bodin, Matty Taylor, Ellis Harrison, Jermaine Easter, Tom Lockyer, Lee Brown etc who would all walk into this team. When you add in, Bartons shocking record since he took the job, it's almost like Chalk & Cheese And which former Gas player played in both games? Clarke? |
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Post by Gastafari on Oct 23, 2021 23:08:10 GMT
Ironically, its pretty much 6 years to the day when we got beat at home to Newport 4-1. I remember there were calls for DC to go after that game. I think he was given time because he got us promoted. Which is fair enough, and it was the correct decision as we ended up getting promoted again. That's where the similarities end. That squad had Billy Bodin, Matty Taylor, Ellis Harrison, Jermaine Easter, Tom Lockyer, Lee Brown etc who would all walk into this team. When you add in, Bartons shocking record since he took the job, it's almost like Chalk & Cheese And which former Gas player played in both games? I guess it was James Clarke |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 24, 2021 0:10:00 GMT
And which former Gas player played in both games? I guess it was James Clarke Joe Day played in both games for Newport |
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Post by Hudson1883 on Oct 24, 2021 1:24:59 GMT
Ironically, its pretty much 6 years to the day when we got beat at home to Newport 4-1. I remember there were calls for DC to go after that game. I think he was given time because he got us promoted. Which is fair enough, and it was the correct decision as we ended up getting promoted again. That's where the similarities end. That squad had Billy Bodin, Matty Taylor, Ellis Harrison, Jermaine Easter, Tom Lockyer, Lee Brown etc who would all walk into this team. When you add in, Bartons shocking record since he took the job, it's almost like Chalk & Cheese And which former Gas player played in both games? There would have been a current one in Alex Rodman, had he been fit to play today. |
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Post by Icegas on Oct 24, 2021 1:56:32 GMT
Ironically, its pretty much 6 years to the day when we got beat at home by Newport 4-1. I remember there were calls for DC to go after that game. I think he was given time because he got us promoted. Which is fair enough, and it was the correct decision as we ended up getting promoted again. That's where the similarities end. That squad had Billy Bodin, Matty Taylor, Ellis Harrison, Jermaine Easter, Tom Lockyer, Lee Brown etc who would all walk into this team. When you add in, Bartons shocking record since he took the job, it's almost like Chalk & Cheese I remember that game well as a Gas fan that I used to work but didn't know on a personal level dropped down with had a heart attack right next to me behind the centenry Terrace/stand and was pretty much dead apart from having the luck that the heart foundation was there that day and had the right equipment to save him. Will remember that moment for the rest of my Life.Horrible moment... Also remember a goal kick getting blown back for a corner after a GK took one and it got to the half way line but got blown back out of play due to the strong wind that game. |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 24, 2021 12:23:44 GMT
And which former Gas player played in both games? There would have been a current one in Alex Rodman, had he been fit to play today. Rodman and Aaron Collins were both on the bench for Newport but neither came on |
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