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Post by alanrg on Oct 24, 2021 10:52:10 GMT
Correct about Finley 5 bookings will miss the match at Harrogate
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Post by worrelsterlingalbion on Oct 24, 2021 11:36:04 GMT
We look like conceding every time the opposition attack but I do have a bit of sympathy for the players. Yes injuries & suspensions have played their part but just look at the number of players that have played in defensive positions in league games alone. Whether that's as a back 3 with wing backs or a flat 4. Off the top of my head, Hoole, Kilgour, Taylor, Anderton, Clarke, Brown, Anderson, Hughes, Harries, Nicholson, Grant. We still don't seem to know what our best formation is, the recruitment looked as though it was based around a back 3 but then how do we get our 3 most creative players into the side, I can't see Evans, Nicholson & Thomas being fitted into a system with 3 at the back without one of them being played as a wing back or Evans deeper. It's a mess 4-4-1-1? Belshaw Hoole Kilgour Taylor Brown Thomas. Grant Whelan Nicholson Evans ( in the Collins position) Pittman Think Finley is suspended next game? I like Anderson but he could be a good impact sub for either Thomas or Nicholson. Ie like the Windies, see off Garner and Holding and replace one with Marshall! Pittman Think you're right if we want to get Nicholson Thomas & Evans into the same side we would have to go to a 4. Finley alongside Whelan with Grant at right back could be an option if everyone available. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 24, 2021 11:59:37 GMT
Correct about Finley 5 bookings will miss the match at Harrogate You really couldn't make it up, surely he could have managed 20 mins w/o picking up a cheap booking! What's happened with Grant's dodgy feet, or foot, he seems to be taking his time recovering, what's the betting if JB left he'd be back fit in a game or two. Jaakola likewise, with Clarke seemingly also determined not to play until Barton's trials are over! |
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Post by alanrg on Oct 24, 2021 13:31:32 GMT
Another foot note we have not kept a clean sheet on the road since the 0-0 draw at Fleetwood in January
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Post by stapletongas on Oct 24, 2021 13:33:58 GMT
You defend as a unit, it’s not about just the back line, be it 3, 4 or whatever plus a keeper. Conceding goals is also about the work rate, positioning and shape of the midfield and forward line too.
Leave a back line exposed and it will concede. Likewise at the other end, leave the front line cut adrift and it won’t score.
Defending and attacking is a team effort. We are a poor team and changing shape and systems and personnel every game does not help build a poor side into something respectable.
Question is can another manager do something better with this shower? Only one way to find out amd sitting around waiting isn’t helping. There is no reason to keep Barton.
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Post by 4d on Oct 24, 2021 14:16:15 GMT
Desperately need Hughes fully fit and showing himself to be the player we thought we’d signed or else number one priority in January is an experienced centre back. The likes of Taylor, Harries and Kilgour are ok if they’ve got an experienced leader alongside them but together it doesn’t work. Harries continues to be the whipping boy amongst the keyboard warriors despite us always looking stronger when he plays and conceding at will when he doesn’t. Unfortunately Kilgour’s record is the complete opposite and Anderton just doesn’t look good enough.
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Post by alanrg on Oct 24, 2021 14:58:08 GMT
Don’t understand why Luca Hoole does not get more game time
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 24, 2021 15:00:20 GMT
Don’t understand why Luca Hoole does not get more game time Our right side wasn't the issue yesterday, nor on Tuesday? Thomas and Anderton seem a good combination. |
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Post by Jomo on Oct 24, 2021 15:05:06 GMT
Don’t understand why Luca Hoole does not get more game time Our right side wasn't the issue yesterday, nor on Tuesday? Thomas and Anderton seem a good combination. Presume you mean Anderson as he plays on the left, and Anderton has been woeful for the majority of his time with us so far. The Carlisle fans were right about him it seems. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 24, 2021 15:12:33 GMT
Our right side wasn't the issue yesterday, nor on Tuesday? Thomas and Anderton seem a good combination. Presume you mean Anderson as he plays on the left, and Anderton has been woeful for the majority of his time with us so far. The Carlisle fans were right about him it seems. I'll get my S & T right one day! Anderson is no better, if not worse, than Baldwin. |
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Post by Jomo on Oct 24, 2021 15:13:27 GMT
Presume you mean Anderson as he plays on the left, and Anderton has been woeful for the majority of his time with us so far. The Carlisle fans were right about him it seems. I'll get my S & T right one day! Anderson is no better, if not worse, than Baldwin. Keep practicing those S & T's Topper 😉 |
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Post by woolavingtonpirate on Oct 24, 2021 16:00:46 GMT
I reckon kilgour has improved as Thomas gives him a good out let. Our left side seems to be the weak link at the moment, Anderton just looks so poor, and Nicholson doesn't look fit. Need a settled back 3 of kilgour Talylor and Harries for a few games, getting Clarke back on the left will help as well.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Oct 24, 2021 17:41:45 GMT
United fans moaning just like us and Stoke fans too claiming their manager has 'No plan 'B'.Think all fans moan although perhaps we have more justifiable reasons than others.Tents for stands,awful football,relegation,division 4,some sort of balls up building the training ground,manager at Crown Court,appalling disabled and catering facilities,non existent scouting set up,4 managers in two years,Supporters Club problems but I won't go on.
Come and see the Mem, United and Stoke fans then perhaps you might not be so critical of your own clubs but guess we all are judgemental as the decisions we make matter very little and if we win then that's all that really matters.
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Post by stevek192 on Oct 25, 2021 20:40:50 GMT
mtfc,
"Kilgour and Taylor are good central defenders. The problem is the lack of protection from midfield. Who picked up any runners yesterday?"
What games have you been watching. Kilgour was the real weak link last season and even more so this season. If he was any good he would now be capable of organising the defenders around him and know when to move out.How much protection do they want? Thay can't cxonstantly blame other people. Kilgour has neither the leadership qualities or the concentration for the job. We need a quality centre back to help Taylor and we need a back four instead of the three because all we end up with is both wingbacks almost entirely being defenders. IMO as soon as it became obvious that their player had beaten Anderton. The two centre halves should have been rushing out so their two strikers had to concentrate on getting onside.Instead they both went back and mad the goal very easy. We don't concede many good goals they are mostly all defensive disasters.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Oct 25, 2021 20:42:05 GMT
mtfc, "Kilgour and Taylor are good central defenders. The problem is the lack of protection from midfield. Who picked up any runners yesterday?" What games have you been watching. Kilgour was the real weak link last season and even more so this season. If he was any good he would now be capable of organising the defenders around him and know when to move out.How much protection do they want? Thay can't cxonstantly blame other people. Kilgour has neither the leadership qualities or the concentration for the job. We need a quality centre back to help Taylor and we need a back four instead of the three because all we end up with is both wingbacks almost entirely being defenders. IMO as soon as it became obvious that their player had beaten Anderton. The two centre halves should have been rushing out so their two strikers had to concentrate on getting onside.Instead they both went back and mad the goal very easy. We don't concede many good goals they are mostly all defensive disasters. - gasandelectricity asked you a simple question, are you still behind Joey or not? So far it seems to me that you are reverting to type (blaming things on players that have progressed through the academy). |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 25, 2021 21:13:34 GMT
mtfc, "Kilgour and Taylor are good central defenders. The problem is the lack of protection from midfield. Who picked up any runners yesterday?" What games have you been watching. Kilgour was the real weak link last season and even more so this season. If he was any good he would now be capable of organising the defenders around him and know when to move out.How much protection do they want? Thay can't cxonstantly blame other people. Kilgour has neither the leadership qualities or the concentration for the job. We need a quality centre back to help Taylor and we need a back four instead of the three because all we end up with is both wingbacks almost entirely being defenders. IMO as soon as it became obvious that their player had beaten Anderton. The two centre halves should have been rushing out so their two strikers had to concentrate on getting onside.Instead they both went back and mad the goal very easy. We don't concede many good goals they are mostly all defensive disasters.We did at Colchester? On Saturday the first was down to Nicholson not putting in a challenge, the second down to Balshaw's poor clearance and the third Anderton's error, not sure how you've twisted that into it being Kilgour being to blame. Our defence is all over the place, Anderson is a left winger not left FB, Taylor a youngster learning the game and Anderton seems to be a CB trying to be a LFB. To make matters worse they have no protection from the midfield. |
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