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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 15:34:57 GMT
Maybe you could ask yourself what benefits there are to having Barton at the club because I don't see any. Then the next logical step is how are we best to get rid? Ideally Barton keeps his mouth shut and we start winning games. If not, we win all our games until he loses one or both of his court cases. Then gets sacked. Next best Scenario is that we win all our games until the next awful thing he says that will eventually lead to his sacking. The third is that we lose games until he gets sacked. I can't see any other options. Can you? The first won't happen. The 2nd is possible but I don't see him winning games and I've no idea how the court cases will go. The 3rd doesn't seem likely given the clubs statement on victimless domestic abuse charge. So yeah, losing games is the best possible outcome for the club in my opinion. Great theory let's lose games as I don't like Barton get another manager in who has to try and galvanize another managers players and hope we don't get relegated. Funny that sounds very familiar and if we do go down I very much believe we won't bounce straight back. I really don't understand people wanting us to lose any game regardless of who the manager is. Sacking him now is basically relegating us so there is the benefit to keeping him. “Sacking him now is basically relegating us” Based on what?
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Post by RD on Oct 26, 2021 15:35:46 GMT
Great theory let's lose games as I don't like Barton get another manager in who has to try and galvanize another managers players and hope we don't get relegated. Funny that sounds very familiar and if we do go down I very much believe we won't bounce straight back. I really don't understand people wanting us to lose any game regardless of who the manager is. Sacking him now is basically relegating us so there is the benefit to keeping him. “Sacking him now is basically relegating us” Based on what? Complete delusion and the irrational approach of "keeping the faith"
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Post by RD on Oct 26, 2021 15:36:10 GMT
Absolutely not - And JB will be sacked if and when the time is right as all managers are I see zero evidence of that, regrettably.
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Post by aghast on Oct 26, 2021 17:31:31 GMT
This was posted in a matchday thread last weekend I think. I never want the gas to lose, whomever is in charge. I've disliked a few managers in my time supporting rovers, Tisdale and Barton have been the ones I've disliked the most. But never have I wanted the club or players to lose or not represent the badge in the way we expect all players who have the honour of playing in our famous blue and white quarters to do so. I listened to sound of the city on Monday night in the car on the way home, and a ted on there admitted to GT having a wager that they would lose 4-0 at WBA and he was proud of the fact he almost got it right. GT called him out on it and said isnt it bizzare that you backed your team to lose? I also thought that was madness. If you hope we lose the next 3 games we could well be bottom of the league table going into December, with absolutely no guarantee of a new manager bounce, with even less managerial options to choose from. Afterall, who would want to come to our basket case club right now and even more so in football league relegation fight. I would happily keep Barton until the end of the season and finish 19th rather than go back to having to watch semi professional football again. If we lose the next three games and are bottom of the table, it won't be because anybody wished it would happen. It will be down to Joey.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 26, 2021 18:09:51 GMT
Great theory let's lose games as I don't like Barton get another manager in who has to try and galvanize another managers players and hope we don't get relegated. Funny that sounds very familiar and if we do go down I very much believe we won't bounce straight back. I really don't understand people wanting us to lose any game regardless of who the manager is. Sacking him now is basically relegating us so there is the benefit to keeping him. “Sacking him now is basically relegating us” Based on what? Based on the fact we won't attract any decent managers,who would take this job on the best we could hope for is someone like Sol Campbell, and will have a squad that came here to play for JB. Sound familiar?
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 26, 2021 18:11:47 GMT
“Sacking him now is basically relegating us” Based on what? Complete delusion and the irrational approach of "keeping the faith" Sorry to have an opinion that is different to yours but if that's what you think fine but I have answered the question as to why.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 18:38:38 GMT
“Sacking him now is basically relegating us” Based on what? Based on the fact we won't attract any decent managers,who would take this job on the best we could hope for is someone like Sol Campbell, and will have a squad that came here to play for JB. Sound familiar? Sol Campbell who kept Macclesfield up? That’ll do then
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2021 19:27:15 GMT
Great theory let's lose games as I don't like Barton get another manager in who has to try and galvanize another managers players and hope we don't get relegated. Funny that sounds very familiar and if we do go down I very much believe we won't bounce straight back. I really don't understand people wanting us to lose any game regardless of who the manager is. Sacking him now is basically relegating us so there is the benefit to keeping him. “Sacking him now is basically relegating us” Based on what? The OP explained his reasoning at the start of his post, why is it some posters are allowed an opinion but others, who don't follow the "Barton out" mantra can't? At the end of the day none of us know what the outcome will be if Barton goes or stays, it's all just posters opinions.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2021 19:30:22 GMT
Based on the fact we won't attract any decent managers,who would take this job on the best we could hope for is someone like Sol Campbell, and will have a squad that came here to play for JB. Sound familiar? Sol Campbell who kept Macclesfield up? That’ll do then Southend still don't seem to have recovered from his spell in charge there? If we do sack Barton because he's failed then I hope we replace him with someone who understands the club, not just appoint another random outsider.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 26, 2021 20:27:27 GMT
Based on the fact we won't attract any decent managers,who would take this job on the best we could hope for is someone like Sol Campbell, and will have a squad that came here to play for JB. Sound familiar? Sol Campbell who kept Macclesfield up? That’ll do then Sol Campbell who has applied for endless jobs since Southend and still hasn't got a job. When his name was mentioned on here last time there were not many takers but now all of a sudden would be good enough for us. On that subject I was quite happy to have had him here before JB got the job and been given time to build his team something he hasn't had in previous jobs. Now would be the wrong time to take a chance on him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 20:28:38 GMT
Sol Campbell who kept Macclesfield up? That’ll do then Sol Campbell who has applied for endless jobs since Southend and still hasn't got a job. When his name was mentioned on here last time there were not many takers but now all of a sudden would be good enough for us. On that subject I was quite happy to have had him here before JB got the job and been given time to build his team something he hasn't had in previous jobs. Now would be the wrong time to take a chance on him. I agree but I’d rather have anyone than joey at this point so Trinny and Susanna would do 😂
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 26, 2021 20:30:35 GMT
Sol Campbell who has applied for endless jobs since Southend and still hasn't got a job. When his name was mentioned on here last time there were not many takers but now all of a sudden would be good enough for us. On that subject I was quite happy to have had him here before JB got the job and been given time to build his team something he hasn't had in previous jobs. Now would be the wrong time to take a chance on him. I agree but I’d rather have anyone than joey at this point so Trinny and Susanna would do 😂 That's been the whole point of my argument though there is no-one good enough to take the job on as there is not a hope in hell Flynn would come here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 20:40:08 GMT
I agree but I’d rather have anyone than joey at this point so Trinny and Susanna would do 😂 That's been the whole point of my argument though there is no-one good enough to take the job on as there is not a hope in hell Flynn would come here. Flynn would take it I reckon. To stick with someone who is definitely rubbish is just Stockholm syndrome though isn’t it?
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 26, 2021 20:47:39 GMT
That's been the whole point of my argument though there is no-one good enough to take the job on as there is not a hope in hell Flynn would come here. Flynn would take it I reckon. To stick with someone who is definitely rubbish is just Stockholm syndrome though isn’t it? No I think we need to stick with the cards we have been dealt. Wael has decided to go down this path and now needs to see it through something he didn't do with Garner. Whether JB can turn this around or not i have no idea I wish I had a crystal ball but i would rather let him have more than 14 games to build a squad it takes longer than that. No I don't think Flynn would take it and not sure the in and outs of why he walked away from Newport who he never got promoted so to me is no better than what we got.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 20:54:34 GMT
Flynn would take it I reckon. To stick with someone who is definitely rubbish is just Stockholm syndrome though isn’t it? No I think we need to stick with the cards we have been dealt. Wael has decided to go down this path and now needs to see it through something he didn't do with Garner. Whether JB can turn this around or not i have no idea I wish I had a crystal ball but i would rather let him have more than 14 games to build a squad it takes longer than that. No I don't think Flynn would take it and not sure the in and outs of why he walked away from Newport who he never got promoted so to me is no better than what we got. Thing is we say that people won’t come in and do well, who would have seen JFH doing what he did at Burton? Who knows what a new man might do, what we can say is quite probable is that Joey isn’t taking us up n
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Post by oldie on Oct 26, 2021 20:59:03 GMT
Flynn would take it I reckon. To stick with someone who is definitely rubbish is just Stockholm syndrome though isn’t it? No I think we need to stick with the cards we have been dealt. Wael has decided to go down this path and now needs to see it through something he didn't do with Garner. Whether JB can turn this around or not i have no idea I wish I had a crystal ball but i would rather let him have more than 14 games to build a squad it takes longer than that. No I don't think Flynn would take it and not sure the in and outs of why he walked away from Newport who he never got promoted so to me is no better than what we got. Is there any evidence that Flynn is less articulate than Barton, let's be honest that would be very hard. Is there any evidence that Newport's resources are greater than ours? A fact by which to appraise performance? Finally, after all the time Barton has been employed by us, is there any evidence that he is a capable manager? You know the to answer to these questions. We need to get rid, now
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2021 21:05:14 GMT
That's been the whole point of my argument though there is no-one good enough to take the job on as there is not a hope in hell Flynn would come here. Flynn would take it I reckon. To stick with someone who is definitely rubbish is just Stockholm syndrome though isn’t it? Flynn is second favourite for the the Cardiff City job, if he really is in the running is he really going to take a job with a struggling L2 side? Even if he did would Gasheads take to his GC style of football, once the novelty of seeing us win games had worn off?
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 26, 2021 21:08:08 GMT
No I think we need to stick with the cards we have been dealt. Wael has decided to go down this path and now needs to see it through something he didn't do with Garner. Whether JB can turn this around or not i have no idea I wish I had a crystal ball but i would rather let him have more than 14 games to build a squad it takes longer than that. No I don't think Flynn would take it and not sure the in and outs of why he walked away from Newport who he never got promoted so to me is no better than what we got. Thing is we say that people won’t come in and do well, who would have seen JFH doing what he did at Burton? Who knows what a new man might do, what we can say is quite probable is that Joey isn’t taking us up n I think the JFH situation was totally different he knew the club and set up already and had a transfer window to work with. What if JB had that window and bought in a striker and a couple other players and we stayed up would people's opinion be different? Will JB take us up probably not this season but who knows I always look at Bolton and pray we could possibly do the same.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 26, 2021 21:10:32 GMT
No I think we need to stick with the cards we have been dealt. Wael has decided to go down this path and now needs to see it through something he didn't do with Garner. Whether JB can turn this around or not i have no idea I wish I had a crystal ball but i would rather let him have more than 14 games to build a squad it takes longer than that. No I don't think Flynn would take it and not sure the in and outs of why he walked away from Newport who he never got promoted so to me is no better than what we got. Is there any evidence that Flynn is less articulate than Barton, let's be honest that would be very hard. Is there any evidence that Newport's resources are greater than ours? A fact by which to appraise performance? Finally, after all the time Barton has been employed by us, is there any evidence that he is a capable manager? You know the to answer to these questions. We need to get rid, now Flynn's a bit like Buckle, a manager who's only ever managed a small town club under the watchful eyes of an experienced DoF, we've no idea how he''d cope at Rovers. It's easy to say he couldn't do any worse than JB but we thought that about PT when he replaced BG and then JB replaced PT.
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Post by pirate on Oct 26, 2021 21:14:41 GMT
Flynn would take it I reckon. To stick with someone who is definitely rubbish is just Stockholm syndrome though isn’t it? Flynn is second favourite for the the Cardiff City job, if he really is in the running is he really going to take a job with a struggling L2 side? Even if he did would Gasheads take to his GC style of football, once the novelty of seeing us win games had worn off? Flynn had his Newport side playing some good stuff last season.
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