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Post by warehamgas on Nov 29, 2021 14:25:55 GMT
I’ve let some days go by after this happened hoping to see some reaction and feel quite strongly that it could have had even worse consequences.
This is the incident that caused a delay of about 10 minutes when Tom Elliott was clearly offside and caused a bad injury to James Belshaw.
In the Salford match Elliott was clearly offside but because the ‘play’ wasn’t over the linesman didn’t flag. This meant that Belshaw had to come out and try and clear the ball which he did. He didn’t need to it was clearly offside. Elliott, who probably knew he was well offside, carried on and made a very dangerous head-high lunge at Belshaw which earned him a yellow card.
My point is the direct action (or rather inaction) by the officials caused Belshaw to get a very bad injury which could have been far worse. In other words the way the laws are interpreted by the officials caused the injury. I’ve been watching the media and reports and even reading the forums but it’s gone largely unreported. I’m surprised it hasn’t received more attention on here tbh.
I suspect had it happened in the PL on MOTD it would be on the front page of many football websites. It might just be me who was angry about it and if that’s the case this thread will die a natural. 😉
UTG!
ps. Mods you may think it’s more appropriate under General Football stuff. But I wanted to highlight it on the main forum, at least for a few days.
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Post by copster on Nov 29, 2021 14:45:15 GMT
It did happen kind of… Chelsea v Man U. Ronaldo went through clearly offside no flag (due to new rules). Gets tackled ref gives a corner. If he had scored it would have been disallowed for offside….
Tuchel went mental - would have been funny to watch had Man U scored from the corner :-)
Rule clearly needs adjusting as either injuries and/or incorrect decisions will be made.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 29, 2021 14:47:52 GMT
It did happen kind of… Chelsea v Man U. Ronaldo went through clearly offside no flag (due to new rules). Gets tackled ref gives a corner. If he had scored it would have been disallowed for offside…. Tuchel went mental - would have been funny to watch had Man U scored from the corner :-) Rule clearly needs adjusting as either injuries and/or incorrect decisions will be made. Thanks. Didn’t see it.👍 UTG! |
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Post by Quarters on Nov 29, 2021 15:43:31 GMT
The OP was not about VAR, but this "delay"
One can understand flags being delayed because there can be a VAR check later but once the player moved forward from an offside position the ASS-REF should have flagged.
He waited too long and was culpable in my opinion.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 29, 2021 15:56:13 GMT
The OP was not about VAR, but this "delay" One can understand flags being delayed because there can be a VAR check later but once the player moved forward from an offside position the ASS-REF should have flagged. He waited too long and was culpable in my opinion. Thank you. VAR/ decisions being reversed wasn’t and isn’t the point. It was the delay between an obvious offside and no flag and a serious injury happening. That delay caused it and one day we may be talking about an even more serious injury. Offsides and goals are important but injury more so imo. Esp when it was inflicted by a player who was out of control, imo, from the first ten seconds after he came on. The referee and perhaps less so the linesman were responsible for Belshaw’s injury. It could have been avoided with some common sense. UTG! |
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Post by Gaswood on Nov 29, 2021 16:55:24 GMT
You’ve got it wrong in the OP there… Tom Elliott wasn’t even shown a yellow for that, it went completely unpunished. His yellow was for another bad foul (on Whelan?) a quarter of an hour later and not for that dangerously high foot. Should have been sent off for the first, but if not he certainly should have had a yellow and gone for the later foul!
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 29, 2021 17:11:27 GMT
You’ve got it wrong in the OP there… Tom Elliott wasn’t even shown a yellow for that, it went completely unpunished. His yellow was for another bad foul (on Whelan?) a quarter of an hour later and not for that dangerously high foot. Should have been sent off for the first, but if not he certainly should have had a yellow and gone for the later foul! I thought it was for that, so apologies. If so then agree with you about the later points. But it doesn’t affect the main point about the delay. UTG! |
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Post by socrates on Nov 29, 2021 17:17:33 GMT
I agree it’s a stupid rule I do wonder whether the people who think up these rules have ever played the game or even watched it.
However if the Salford player had been sent off for that kick then they would have been down to 8 men by the end and we probably would have lost 2-1.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Nov 29, 2021 17:35:35 GMT
I’ve let some days go by after this happened hoping to see some reaction and feel quite strongly that it could have had even worse consequences. This is the incident that caused a delay of about 10 minutes when Tom Elliott was clearly offside and caused a bad injury to James Belshaw. In the Salford match Elliott was clearly offside but because the ‘play’ wasn’t over the linesman didn’t flag. This meant that Belshaw had to come out and try and clear the ball which he did. He didn’t need to it was clearly offside. Elliott, who probably knew he was well offside, carried on and made a very dangerous head-high lunge at Belshaw which earned him a yellow card. My point is the direct action (or rather inaction) by the officials caused Belshaw to get a very bad injury which could have been far worse. In other words the way the laws are interpreted by the officials caused the injury. I’ve been watching the media and reports and even reading the forums but it’s gone largely unreported. I’m surprised it hasn’t received more attention on here tbh. I suspect had it happened in the PL on MOTD it would be on the front page of many football websites. It might just be me who was angry about it and if that’s the case this thread will die a natural. 😉 UTG! ps. Mods you may think it’s more appropriate under General Football stuff. But I wanted to highlight it on the main forum, at least for a few days. He did not get booked for that incident, he got booked later on in the 80th minute (which should have been his second) |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 29, 2021 18:27:51 GMT
I’ve let some days go by after this happened hoping to see some reaction and feel quite strongly that it could have had even worse consequences. This is the incident that caused a delay of about 10 minutes when Tom Elliott was clearly offside and caused a bad injury to James Belshaw. In the Salford match Elliott was clearly offside but because the ‘play’ wasn’t over the linesman didn’t flag. This meant that Belshaw had to come out and try and clear the ball which he did. He didn’t need to it was clearly offside. Elliott, who probably knew he was well offside, carried on and made a very dangerous head-high lunge at Belshaw which earned him a yellow card. My point is the direct action (or rather inaction) by the officials caused Belshaw to get a very bad injury which could have been far worse. In other words the way the laws are interpreted by the officials caused the injury. I’ve been watching the media and reports and even reading the forums but it’s gone largely unreported. I’m surprised it hasn’t received more attention on here tbh. I suspect had it happened in the PL on MOTD it would be on the front page of many football websites. It might just be me who was angry about it and if that’s the case this thread will die a natural. 😉 UTG! ps. Mods you may think it’s more appropriate under General Football stuff. But I wanted to highlight it on the main forum, at least for a few days. He did not get booked for that incident, he got booked later on in the 80th minute (which should have been his second) Yes, I’d already apologised for being wrong! Doesn’t alter the point imo about a serious injury happening. UTG! |
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Post by gulfofaden on Nov 29, 2021 18:54:39 GMT
I hated VAR before - being robbed of all those iconic moments.
After the excuse for refereeing after the last few games - obvious on sides given off, red cards not given, offsides being given on, I share JBs utter disdain for the “professionals” in league 2. They are absolutely appalling and invariably decide games - that’s how poor they are….I’ve decided to bite the bullet and accept VAR.
All those refs who don’t like Barton or whoever else has upset them can’t hide behind replay.
The more we can iron these idiots out of the game and let Technology replace them the better
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Post by seanclevedongas on Nov 29, 2021 19:06:13 GMT
He did not get booked for that incident, he got booked later on in the 80th minute (which should have been his second) Yes, I’d already apologised for being wrong! Doesn’t alter the point imo about a serious injury happening. UTG! Sorry did not read beyond your post before I responded. Yes I agree your point is still valid |
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 29, 2021 19:09:31 GMT
It’s a fair enough point gulf about VAR. From my POV I’d probably steer clear of it because having watched a season at AFCB when they had VAR it was so frustrating waiting every time for the VAR decision. It really took so much away from the game. You’re right though about the competency of officials in the lower leagues, they are awful. I would worry about having VAR in the lower leagues because all the officials would then just pass the buck and the spectacle of a match would be completely spoiled without anyone prepared to decide on anything. They would become even worse!
UTG!
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Post by Qatar Gas on Nov 30, 2021 5:13:38 GMT
Linesmen have been told to hold off with the flag if its a close call because VAR can check it. I don't mind that so much because you are more likely to get a correct decision. Of course from a fan point of view its rubbish celebrating a goal which then may get taken away from you.
However, there is no need for linemen to delay putting their flag up in the lower league. There really is no point in this and it will only cause more nasty injuries like this one. Funny how the lineman at the other end was very quick to incorrectly flag Pitman offside!
Anyway today see's the start of the Semi Automated offside trials. Although with the word Semi it looks like it'll just delay a decision even longer.
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Post by Gasshole on Nov 30, 2021 5:32:24 GMT
Offside sucks , get rid. More goals, more entertainment less moaning….actually keep it I love moaning.
FFS Lino open your eyes.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 30, 2021 9:25:48 GMT
I hate VAR as it makes football too stop/start like Rugby. I can accept human error as part of the game with officials, but it seems an awful lot has gone against us of late.
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Post by legas on Nov 30, 2021 10:10:40 GMT
I hate VAR as it makes football too stop/start like Rugby. I can accept human error as part of the game with officials, but it seems an awful lot has gone against us of late. Unconscious bias against a Joey Barton team? I have been wondering about this recently, but maybe I’m just being paranoid? |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Nov 30, 2021 10:18:37 GMT
Offside sucks , get rid. More goals, more entertainment less moaning….actually keep it I love moaning. FFS Lino open your eyes. Rush goalies as well. Still not sure if there is a glove size limit. I'm thinking Kenny Everett- Brother Lee |
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 30, 2021 10:21:39 GMT
I hate VAR as it makes football too stop/start like Rugby. I can accept human error as part of the game with officials, but it seems an awful lot has gone against us of late. Unconscious bias against a Joey Barton team? I have been wondering about this recently, but maybe I’m just being paranoid? He doesnt help himself tbh. I cant imagine many refs give us decisions to save a post-match grilling from Barton, quite the opposite id imagine. |
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Post by gruad on Nov 30, 2021 21:13:01 GMT
I hate VAR as it makes football too stop/start like Rugby. I can accept human error as part of the game with officials, but it seems an awful lot has gone against us of late. Unconscious bias against a Joey Barton team? I have been wondering about this recently, but maybe I’m just being paranoid? I don't think you're paranoid. Barton should be christened "Notorious JAB". His reputation is a magnet to those in authority to make an example of him. He does little to cast off that image and seems to spend more time arguing with the 4th official than watching the game. If he does not change, he and Rovers will be continually be subject to bias, not all of it subconscious. |
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