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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2021 11:10:32 GMT
Genuinely interested to see what people think a top six budget is. Asking because... 1. FFP says you cant post excessive losses ect... 2. Our training facilities are exactly world class (but getting better) 3. Paying a transfer fee in the bottom two leagues is extremely rare these days 4. Our transfer record is about 300k for Tilly about 30 years ago. 5. The ground is in a woeful state. 6. Our youth team setup is so poor that players get sent to Gloucester on loan. yes we have a few players on decent money but everyteam has that, failing to see what a big budget means? It means we spending as much as our turnover allows we can on players, leading to annual loses of £2m/£3m what business sense is there in doing that when, for example, Harrogate, are doing better on probably less than half our budget and so losing far less money? Well if most of that £2m plus loss is not being spent on players and coaches then where is it being spent? MS and TW surely were not earning that type of money. JB blames anyone and everything at every opportunity but have yet to hear him grumble about his budget yet. Although he does say he's working for nothing as we are a charity but that was only after a prayer session in the local Church.
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Post by gashead1981 on Dec 8, 2021 11:32:21 GMT
Agree with much of what you say Doha. However;
The Finley red card, I caught a glimpse of it and it looked to me like Conlon stamped Finley’s foot and then Finley reacted (wrongly IMO) but Conlon went down like he was hit with a brick. They both should have been booked. Conlon for the stamp and play acting and Finley for retaliation. The Lino didn’t see all of the incident I don’t think and only reported Finley.
The free kick for the first goal was never a free kick to you in a million years. I was sat almost in line with it aerially and if anything, it should have been a free kick to us as Anderson was literally pulled down by your player.
As for the second Red with Harries, he’s actually looking at the ball the whole time it is airborne with the intention to volley it away and Garrity has run into the kick that Harries made for the ball after steaming in from midfield. There was absolutely no intention there or awareness that he was coming in. The ref made a total cats arse of that and didn’t see it for what it really was. That said, I don’t know why Harries didn’t go and jump to head it himself, perhaps he thought he had time to volley it away. But that was an utterly pathetic decision.
I agree with you on the pen. It was a dive, however your defender got very lucky as he clattered Clarke and had he gone down more organically it would have been a pen.
We got nothing from that ref all evening, all of the 50/50s went your way, one time the Lino only flagged for offside when the crowd shouted at him and I believe it was Conlon who was about 5 years off!
I can certainly see why you are at the sharp end. Garrity and Conlon are the players you need in this league and I thought you were the best team I’ve seen at the Mem this year. Politic was a handful too.
It really is a shame the ref made it all about himself and ruined what look like being a quality game of football. It was a open and entertaining first 10 mins.
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Post by titchthephot on Dec 8, 2021 11:50:06 GMT
DC very humble in victory, recognised and was grateful that many decisions went there way . In the cold light of day we should recognise as there fans and DC have that we made it very uncomfortable for them in the second half so credit to the squad for that. These games always end up in a JB in/out debate , unfortunately. In this case i don't see what JB did to warrant him getting the blame for the defeat, he had no input into either sending offs or some of the decisions which went against us, just mho. I know I'm an avid Barton hater but I do wonder if Refs come to us with a preconceived idea that he is going to 'have a go at them' and try to balance it by being in favour of the opposition? I really don't know if that is true or not but we do seem to not get our fair share of decisions and every ref will know about Bartons history so it does make you wonder?! I hope not, I hope it is just 'one of those things' and soon it will be our turn to have the rub of the green but...... One thing I do know is that just about every fan of every team other than Rovers asks the same question when I talk to them "Why the hell have you got him for a manager?" I can only agree with them!
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Post by doha2 on Dec 8, 2021 11:50:26 GMT
Agree with much of what you say Doha. However; The Finley red card, I caught a glimpse of it and it looked to me like Conlon stamped Finley’s foot and then Finley reacted (wrongly IMO) but Conlon went down like he was hit with a brick. They both should have been booked. Conlon for the stamp and play acting and Finley for retaliation. The Lino didn’t see all of the incident I don’t think and only reported Finley. The free kick for the first goal was never a free kick to you in a million years. I was sat almost in line with it aerially and if anything, it should have been a free kick to us as Anderson was literally pulled down by your player. As for the second Red with Harries, he’s actually looking at the ball the whole time it is airborne with the intention to volley it away and Garrity has run into the kick that Harries made for the ball after steaming in from midfield. There was absolutely no intention there or awareness that he was coming in. The ref made a total cats arse of that and didn’t see it for what it really was. That said, I don’t know why Harries didn’t go and jump to head it himself, perhaps he thought he had time to volley it away. But that was an utterly pathetic decision. I agree with you on the pen. It was a dive, however your defender got very lucky as he clattered Clarke and had he gone down more organically it would have been a pen. We got nothing from that ref all evening, all of the 50/50s went your way, one time the Lino only flagged for offside when the crowd shouted at him and I believe it was Conlon who was about 5 years off! I can certainly see why you are at the sharp end. Garrity and Conlon are the players you need in this league and I thought you were the best team I’ve seen at the Mem this year. Politic was a handful too. It really is a shame the ref made it all about himself and ruined what look like being a quality game of football. It was a open and entertaining first 10 mins. Fair enough, didn't see the stamp but it might have been caught on one of the other camera angles/gopro goal cams, we'll find out what really happened later today maybe. In terms of the second red I'm not sure what choice the ref had really, as the rules are written and all that. He did bring him down as the last man when he was in to score, reckless high boot or not. Yeah I'd agree with that on the pen, he made far too much of it, playing on the crowd hostility to the ref who in fairness was strong enough to resist it. Good game for the neutral! Shame we couldn't really show you who we are with our catastrophic injury woes but the return game isn't until Easter Monday so by then we should both have full strength sides to play out a proper game.
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Post by pirate on Dec 8, 2021 11:50:59 GMT
Barton Barton Barton, Barton, sneer, Barton Barton Barton Barton, clown, clueless, Barton Barton Barton. Barton, Barton. Sarcastic comment Barton Barton. Barton Barton, Barton Barton Barton. Barton Barton Barton, at least we might sack Barton Barton, and Barton. “Barton Barton Barton Barton” Barton Barton! Barton Barton, won’t support until Barton Barton Barton Barton Barton Barton. I expect Barton Barton Barton Barton Barton. Barton Barton Barton Barton Barton Barton Barton. More red cards than wins 😆
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Post by milesy83 on Dec 8, 2021 11:59:02 GMT
Agree with much of what you say Doha. However; The Finley red card, I caught a glimpse of it and it looked to me like Conlon stamped Finley’s foot and then Finley reacted (wrongly IMO) but Conlon went down like he was hit with a brick. They both should have been booked. Conlon for the stamp and play acting and Finley for retaliation. The Lino didn’t see all of the incident I don’t think and only reported Finley. The free kick for the first goal was never a free kick to you in a million years. I was sat almost in line with it aerially and if anything, it should have been a free kick to us as Anderson was literally pulled down by your player. As for the second Red with Harries, he’s actually looking at the ball the whole time it is airborne with the intention to volley it away and Garrity has run into the kick that Harries made for the ball after steaming in from midfield. There was absolutely no intention there or awareness that he was coming in. The ref made a total cats arse of that and didn’t see it for what it really was. That said, I don’t know why Harries didn’t go and jump to head it himself, perhaps he thought he had time to volley it away. But that was an utterly pathetic decision. I agree with you on the pen. It was a dive, however your defender got very lucky as he clattered Clarke and had he gone down more organically it would have been a pen. We got nothing from that ref all evening, all of the 50/50s went your way, one time the Lino only flagged for offside when the crowd shouted at him and I believe it was Conlon who was about 5 years off! I can certainly see why you are at the sharp end. Garrity and Conlon are the players you need in this league and I thought you were the best team I’ve seen at the Mem this year. Politic was a handful too. It really is a shame the ref made it all about himself and ruined what look like being a quality game of football. It was a open and entertaining first 10 mins. Fair enough, didn't see the stamp but it might have been caught on one of the other camera angles/gopro goal cams, we'll find out what really happened later today maybe. In terms of the second red I'm not sure what choice the ref had really, as the rules are written and all that. He did bring him down as the last man when he was in to score, reckless high boot or not. Yeah I'd agree with that on the pen, he made far too much of it, playing on the crowd hostility to the ref who in fairness was strong enough to resist it. Good game for the neutral! Shame we couldn't really show you who we are with our catastrophic injury woes but the return game isn't until Easter Monday so by then we should both have full strength sides to play out a proper game. we have had injury problems all season. We start most games without a striker as its been about 2 years since we had a proper striker. Can't comment on first red as i only seen the bloke on the floor but 2nd one was a defo red as like you said it was the last man. Thought you played well first half but we came out fighting in 2nd half. I believe if we had 11 on the pitch then i think we would of got something from that game. We need a rub of the green to get our best 11 on the pitch which hasn,t happened this season. Goodluck for the rest of the season
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Post by pucklegas on Dec 8, 2021 12:06:37 GMT
Thought we played well second half, Connor Taylor who had been outstanding should have scored and done better defending second goal.
Agree with joey teams are targeting Finlay, as they know he is hot headed, didn't see incident we are appealing so that will be interesting.
Collins and Nicho linked up well up front.
Can t see us getting into top 7 unless we make some decent additions in January, hope we are more prepared than last year.
Personally dont like Whelan and coutts in there together as not enough legs.
Pitch was excellent Daryl take a bow, great work UTG
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Post by doha2 on Dec 8, 2021 12:39:08 GMT
Fair enough, didn't see the stamp but it might have been caught on one of the other camera angles/gopro goal cams, we'll find out what really happened later today maybe. In terms of the second red I'm not sure what choice the ref had really, as the rules are written and all that. He did bring him down as the last man when he was in to score, reckless high boot or not. Yeah I'd agree with that on the pen, he made far too much of it, playing on the crowd hostility to the ref who in fairness was strong enough to resist it. Good game for the neutral! Shame we couldn't really show you who we are with our catastrophic injury woes but the return game isn't until Easter Monday so by then we should both have full strength sides to play out a proper game. we have had injury problems all season. We start most games without a striker as its been about 2 years since we had a proper striker. It's not just strikers, we don't even have any wingers left now! Politic is more of an attacking mid so that leaves us with young CM Garrity in his second professional season up front now, bloody hell.
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Post by Kipper on Dec 8, 2021 12:39:18 GMT
Let's have Darrell back as manager!
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Post by singupgas on Dec 8, 2021 12:51:25 GMT
I quite like Collins, good enough on the ball apart from not being strong sometimes...but wish he would run around a bit more. Too casual for me sometimes.
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Post by curlywurly on Dec 8, 2021 12:54:48 GMT
Agree with much of what you say Doha. However; The Finley red card, I caught a glimpse of it and it looked to me like Conlon stamped Finley’s foot and then Finley reacted (wrongly IMO) but Conlon went down like he was hit with a brick. They both should have been booked. Conlon for the stamp and play acting and Finley for retaliation. The Lino didn’t see all of the incident I don’t think and only reported Finley. The free kick for the first goal was never a free kick to you in a million years. I was sat almost in line with it aerially and if anything, it should have been a free kick to us as Anderson was literally pulled down by your player. As for the second Red with Harries, he’s actually looking at the ball the whole time it is airborne with the intention to volley it away and Garrity has run into the kick that Harries made for the ball after steaming in from midfield. There was absolutely no intention there or awareness that he was coming in. The ref made a total cats arse of that and didn’t see it for what it really was. That said, I don’t know why Harries didn’t go and jump to head it himself, perhaps he thought he had time to volley it away. But that was an utterly pathetic decision. I agree with you on the pen. It was a dive, however your defender got very lucky as he clattered Clarke and had he gone down more organically it would have been a pen. We got nothing from that ref all evening, all of the 50/50s went your way, one time the Lino only flagged for offside when the crowd shouted at him and I believe it was Conlon who was about 5 years off! I can certainly see why you are at the sharp end. Garrity and Conlon are the players you need in this league and I thought you were the best team I’ve seen at the Mem this year. Politic was a handful too. It really is a shame the ref made it all about himself and ruined what look like being a quality game of football. It was a open and entertaining first 10 mins. Couldn't disagree more with doha more on the 3 key incidents.
1. He must have ifollow premium if he has seen the Finley incident on ifollow, because none of the footage reveals the incident - I'd also point out that the Vale player seems to have misteriously moved 15 yards by the time he is videoed on the floor. 2. Although Clarke went down easily, he got the wrong side of the defender and there is definite contact from both arms of the defender - seen plenty of these given. 3. I'm struggling to see any actual contact between Harries and their attacker, but the lesson is clearly to throw yourself to the ground holding your head and 4th division refs will buy it.
I always used to moan that Darrell Clarke's Rovers sides were not street-wise. His team has certainly learned a bit since then.
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Post by kruger on Dec 8, 2021 12:55:10 GMT
Let's have Darrell back as manager! what are you going to do, kidknap him and tell him he has to be our manager even though he don't want to be?
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Post by Kipper on Dec 8, 2021 13:05:21 GMT
Darrell would love the opportunity to come back!
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Post by clockendgas on Dec 8, 2021 13:05:37 GMT
Just watching the highlights it looks to me like they set out to get finley sent off,vale players congratulating one another when the card comes out,really hate professional players acting and conning the ref,sadly crept into the game over the last twenty years.
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Post by pirate on Dec 8, 2021 13:14:51 GMT
Just watching the highlights it looks to me like they set out to get finley sent off,vale players congratulating one another when the card comes out,really hate professional players acting and conning the ref,sadly crept into the game over the last twenty years. "If i was playing against Sam Finley, that’s what you would try and do. You would try and get him riled up and get his eye off the prize. When he’s on it, he’s clearly a very talented player. If he does have a weakness it’s that he can get distracted in games. He can get caught up in the emotion of a game and today he’s paid the price for just getting involved in a nonsense he didn’t really need to."
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Post by kruger on Dec 8, 2021 13:18:37 GMT
Darrell would love the opportunity to come back! did you hear his interview? He said when asked if he would ever come back, he said never say never but I am really happy at Port Vale
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Post by lastminutewinner on Dec 8, 2021 13:20:43 GMT
Just watching the highlights it looks to me like they set out to get finley sent off,vale players congratulating one another when the card comes out,really hate professional players acting and conning the ref,sadly crept into the game over the last twenty years. Yes it's almost seen as 'acceptable' to play-act these days. Worst you get for simulation is a yellow (although i've seen a lot waved away in other non-rovers games, but no card produced?), apparently worth the risk to get someone sent off
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Post by lastminutewinner on Dec 8, 2021 13:25:22 GMT
Darrell would love the opportunity to come back! did you hear his interview? He said when asked if he would ever come back, he said never say never but I am really happy at Port Vale I dont think he will come back here. More likely to manage his hometown team Mansfield at some point
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 8, 2021 13:33:42 GMT
Agree with much of what you say Doha. However; The Finley red card, I caught a glimpse of it and it looked to me like Conlon stamped Finley’s foot and then Finley reacted (wrongly IMO) but Conlon went down like he was hit with a brick. They both should have been booked. Conlon for the stamp and play acting and Finley for retaliation. The Lino didn’t see all of the incident I don’t think and only reported Finley. The free kick for the first goal was never a free kick to you in a million years. I was sat almost in line with it aerially and if anything, it should have been a free kick to us as Anderson was literally pulled down by your player. As for the second Red with Harries, he’s actually looking at the ball the whole time it is airborne with the intention to volley it away and Garrity has run into the kick that Harries made for the ball after steaming in from midfield. There was absolutely no intention there or awareness that he was coming in. The ref made a total cats arse of that and didn’t see it for what it really was. That said, I don’t know why Harries didn’t go and jump to head it himself, perhaps he thought he had time to volley it away. But that was an utterly pathetic decision. I agree with you on the pen. It was a dive, however your defender got very lucky as he clattered Clarke and had he gone down more organically it would have been a pen. We got nothing from that ref all evening, all of the 50/50s went your way, one time the Lino only flagged for offside when the crowd shouted at him and I believe it was Conlon who was about 5 years off! I can certainly see why you are at the sharp end. Garrity and Conlon are the players you need in this league and I thought you were the best team I’ve seen at the Mem this year. Politic was a handful too. It really is a shame the ref made it all about himself and ruined what look like being a quality game of football. It was a open and entertaining first 10 mins. That’s a lesson to learn though right, Finley can’t just go lashing out and regardless of intentions Harries was still a clear red.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Dec 8, 2021 13:34:30 GMT
Fair enough, didn't see the stamp but it might have been caught on one of the other camera angles/gopro goal cams, we'll find out what really happened later today maybe. In terms of the second red I'm not sure what choice the ref had really, as the rules are written and all that. He did bring him down as the last man when he was in to score, reckless high boot or not. Yeah I'd agree with that on the pen, he made far too much of it, playing on the crowd hostility to the ref who in fairness was strong enough to resist it. Good game for the neutral! Shame we couldn't really show you who we are with our catastrophic injury woes but the return game isn't until Easter Monday so by then we should both have full strength sides to play out a proper game. we have had injury problems all season. We start most games without a striker as its been about 2 years since we had a proper striker. Can't comment on first red as i only seen the bloke on the floor but 2nd one was a defo red as like you said it was the last man. Thought you played well first half but we came out fighting in 2nd half. I believe if we had 11 on the pitch then i think we would of got something from that game. We need a rub of the green to get our best 11 on the pitch which hasn,t happened this season. Goodluck for the rest of the season That’s down to poor recruitment.
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