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Post by biggles on Dec 10, 2021 23:42:28 GMT
if jesus was alive today he would be backing st joey barton to lead us out of the 2nd div into a new world
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Dec 11, 2021 2:25:59 GMT
What's with slinging all these names at each other, and categorising people into groups? Lots of us have different opinions about JB, but surely we should be able to discuss these in an adult manner - at the end of the day we're all Gasheads, who will be here long after JB has gone. Another example of why I wouldn’t have him anywhere near us given the choice. Far too divisive…even if he was any good, it’s just an added bonus he’s not very good Yes, he's devisive, and of course fans discuss their opinions - but he can't be blamed for people making derogatory remarks about other posters, we're doing that ourselves. Or are we absolving ourselves, and saying "a big boy made us do it"?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 11, 2021 7:03:44 GMT
Can we change the name of this thread to the Barton hater thread please, thet are out in force tonight, music to their ears Maybe you could start a pro Barton thread listing all the positive news articles, good deeds, fantastic examples of man management and wax lyrical about all the wins he has had since joining Rovers. You know, just for balance. You could call it the "I will accept any old sh** and defend the indefensible" thread. You're welcome.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 11, 2021 7:08:30 GMT
He says Rochdale are a really good side before then saying there’s no good sides in the division. Blokes making it up as he goes along Your quoting him totally out of context, listen to the interview he says the good sides are the Man city's etc not sides in league two. Dave, I know that you are very football savvy and a proper club man, but how would you feel about Bartons performance, behaviour and results if he were in charge of any other team? I know you feel passionate because you believe support should be given to whoever is in charge but do you have a tipping point of when your support for Barton could/would wane?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 11, 2021 7:12:07 GMT
What's with slinging all these names at each other, and categorising people into groups? Lots of us have different opinions about JB, but surely we should be able to discuss these in an adult manner - at the end of the day we're all Gasheads, who will be here long after JB has gone. Will they though? I know of a few that have already started enjoying their Saturdays a lot more since staying away.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 11, 2021 7:13:54 GMT
Another example of why I wouldn’t have him anywhere near us given the choice. Far too divisive…even if he was any good, it’s just an added bonus he’s not very good Yes, he's devisive, and of course fans discuss their opinions - but he can't be blamed for people making derogatory remarks about other posters, we're doing that ourselves. Or are we absolving ourselves, and saying "a big boy made us do it"? A fish rots from the head.
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Post by newmarketgas on Dec 11, 2021 7:31:03 GMT
Yes, he's devisive, and of course fans discuss their opinions - but he can't be blamed for people making derogatory remarks about other posters, we're doing that ourselves. Or are we absolving ourselves, and saying "a big boy made us do it"? A fish rots from the head. So does a football forum
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 7:44:16 GMT
Another example of why I wouldn’t have him anywhere near us given the choice. Far too divisive…even if he was any good, it’s just an added bonus he’s not very good Yes, he's devisive, and of course fans discuss their opinions - but he can't be blamed for people making derogatory remarks about other posters, we're doing that ourselves. Or are we absolving ourselves, and saying "a big boy made us do it"? Oh no not at all, not condoning it either. Just think that when it’s something people care about so much and it’s someone so divisive then these sort of situations were always going to happen.
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Post by blueridge on Dec 11, 2021 8:18:14 GMT
Imagine a Barton fanboy calling ME a troublemaker 😂😂😂😂😂 Good to see YOU are no longer a moderator - perhaps YOU can now start posting what you really think!!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 11, 2021 8:19:10 GMT
There’s no denying that Joey has the ability to be an unsavoury character at times.
However, what we see here is a selection of paragraphs from a longer article. And I’d imagine even reading that longer article that we’d read something that was very one sided.
The thing with mental health issues is that society expects us these days to immediately take the side of whomever claims that someone else has wronged them, bullied them, even if there’s a bloody good story that the other party has to say.
It’s a bit like Tuesday night when we all know the PV player gave as much as he got but Finley was the one who took the flack as he wasn’t the one who fell like a sack of potatoes to the floor
I’m not calling bullshit on this player, but simply saying that there’s two sides to every story, and that we’ve only heard the one of them. And if that player has issues then of course they deserved support and not abuse.
But what we have here is a kangaroo court.
And whilst players deserve support where needed they don’t have the right to be mollycoddled and be excused for lack of the right attitude, or inability to perform at the level required.
I’m not in/out/shake it all about. I’m just a gashead who’s sick of this whole conveyer belt of managers we’ve had since DC/GC which has lead to us dropping a league and having 18 months of the worst football in our history.
We’ve been on the ascendency of late. Joey didn’t put that side together that got us relegated and has put together a side that is starting to show a fight that we haven’t seen in 2 years and an attacking nature that we haven’t seen in much longer. The results might not be pretty but we’ve had some tough fixtures and we’re heading in the right direction. Those who argue otherwise I’d ask if they’ve seen some of our more recent fixtures.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Dec 11, 2021 8:25:40 GMT
A fish rots from the head. So does a football forum Would you like me to resign?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 8:33:25 GMT
There’s no denying that Joey has the ability to be an unsavoury character at times. However, what we see here is a selection of paragraphs from a longer article. And I’d imagine even reading that longer article that we’d read something that was very one sided. The thing with mental health issues is that society expects us these days to immediately take the side of whomever claims that someone else has wronged them, bullied them, even if there’s a bloody good story that the other party has to say. It’s a bit like Tuesday night when we all know the PV player gave as much as he got but Finley was the one who took the flack as he wasn’t the one who fell like a sack of potatoes to the floor I’m not calling bullshit on this player, but simply saying that there’s two sides to every story, and that we’ve only heard the one of them. And if that player has issues then of course they deserved support and not abuse. But what we have here is a kangaroo court. And whilst players deserve support where needed they don’t have the right to be mollycoddled and be excused for lack of the right attitude, or inability to perform at the level required. I’m not in/out/shake it all about. I’m just a gashead who’s sick of this whole conveyer belt of managers we’ve had since DC/GC which has lead to us dropping a league and having 18 months of the worst football in our history. We’ve been on the ascendency of late. Joey didn’t put that side together that got us relegated and has put together a side that is starting to show a fight that we haven’t seen in 2 years and an attacking nature that we haven’t seen in much longer. The results might not be pretty but we’ve had some tough fixtures and we’re heading in the right direction. Those who argue otherwise I’d ask if they’ve seen some of our more recent fixtures. We really haven’t been on the ascendancy though. We’ve gone down the table 😂
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 11, 2021 8:38:13 GMT
We really haven’t been on the ascendancy though. We’ve gone down the table 😂 Ascendancy doesn’t have to be purely league position though does it 🙄 as my post addressed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2021 8:41:46 GMT
We really haven’t been on the ascendancy though. We’ve gone down the table 😂 Ascendancy doesn’t have to be purely league position though does it 🙄 as my post addressed Ok mate fair enough! Facts are he’s been an absolutely horrendous manager based purely on the only thing that matters….results. A man with the same record as Paul Buckle with their own players but let’s give him more time.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 11, 2021 8:50:35 GMT
Ascendancy doesn’t have to be purely league position though does it 🙄 as my post addressed Ok mate fair enough! Facts are he’s been an absolutely horrendous manager based purely on the only thing that matters….results. A man with the same record as Paul Buckle with their own players but let’s give him more time. It’s hard to argue against results, and Joeys ‘rap’ sheets. But personally I’m seeing enough in the matches I’ve attended and watched on ifollow (which is most of them) to be comfortable with giving him a little longer to sort things out. We’re not going to get relegated. Changing the manager probably isn’t going to get us promoted either. If we stick with him I think we could reach the playoffs. 13 months ago I was arguing the opposite against Garner but I genuinely believe performances are on the up and results will follow shortly. Whereas then, I really didn’t see it and thought very much the opposite that we were getting away with murder. Regardless, I don’t think Wael is going to dispatch him unless we really tank out or if he loses his day in court. So anything discussed on here is massively academic anyway.
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Post by newmarketgas on Dec 11, 2021 8:51:41 GMT
Would you like me to resign? Stop being a drama queen. Try to stop moaning about the leadership of the club and give us an example from the front, this is not just for you it's for all the mods.
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Post by bidefordgas on Dec 11, 2021 8:52:30 GMT
Your quoting him totally out of context, listen to the interview he says the good sides are the Man city's etc not sides in league two. Dave, I know that you are very football savvy and a proper club man, but how would you feel about Bartons performance, behaviour and results if he were in charge of any other team? I know you feel passionate because you believe support should be given to whoever is in charge but do you have a tipping point of when your support for Barton could/would wane? Hugo, I think my starting point is that I don't blame JB for our relegation last season and don't buy the argument he gave up two months before the end of the season like some purport to on here. Our demise clearly started in the first five months of BG's tenure and continued on until this time last year. The players he brought in were gutless and the tippy tally style of play simply made us a pushover for the vast majority of the teams. PT was then brought in to manage the same bunch of wimps and failed to bring in a decent striker in January. I feel that sealed our fate and JB was fire fighting from then on. Obviously I was not happy but had forseen it long before JB arrived. Now onto this season, I was happy with the clear out and recruitment apart from the grave mistake of not bringing in a younger proven striker or two. I did not buy into the get back up straight away talk by JB and was quite happy to accept pushing the playoffs or even getting in them as a target and still would be happy with that. I certainly hope we can achieve that under JB's tenure and hope he sees the season out. However if we are still languishing around our present position would get rid and bring in a new Manager at seasons end. We have some decent players on paper and occasionally on the pitch and IMHO if JB can't get a tune out of them now a new manager now won't either. As regards JB himself, I am not a lover or hater. Yes he is a bad boy and is not afraid to say things as they are, the court appearance this week may well see him on his way,and if it happens we move on to the next incumbent. As you see I have started posting on here again firstly on young Pauls thread but then ventured back onto others. I was accused by a couple on here of being a bullyboy, as you know the last thing I am and am being very careful to avoid any future confrontation. I will be be at today's game hoping for a good result and a happy 110 mile drive home. Whoever is our Manager would never keep me away from the club I have supported since I was six years old, 65 years of several highs but many lows. UTG!
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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2021 9:07:31 GMT
Dave, I know that you are very football savvy and a proper club man, but how would you feel about Bartons performance, behaviour and results if he were in charge of any other team? I know you feel passionate because you believe support should be given to whoever is in charge but do you have a tipping point of when your support for Barton could/would wane? Hugo, I think my starting point is that I don't blame JB for our relegation last season and don't buy the argument he gave up two months before the end of the season like some purport to on here. Our demise clearly started in the first five months of BG's tenure and continued on until this time last year. The players he brought in were gutless and the tippy tally style of play simply made us a pushover for the vast majority of the teams. PT was then brought in to manage the same bunch of wimps and failed to bring in a decent striker in January. I feel that sealed our fate and JB was fire fighting from then on. Obviously I was not happy but had forseen it long before JB arrived. Now onto this season, I was happy with the clear out and recruitment apart from the grave mistake of not bringing in a younger proven striker or two. I did not buy into the get back up straight away talk by JB and was quite happy to accept pushing the playoffs or even getting in them as a target and still would be happy with that. I certainly hope we can achieve that under JB's tenure and hope he sees the season out. However if we are still languishing around our present position would get rid and bring in a new Manager at seasons end. We have some decent players on paper and occasionally on the pitch and IMHO if JB can't get a tune out of them now a new manager now won't either. As regards JB himself, I am not a lover or hater. Yes he is a bad boy and is not afraid to say things as they are, the court appearance this week may well see him on his way,and if it happens we move on to the next incumbent. As you see I have started posting on here again firstly on young Pauls thread but then ventured back onto others. I was accused by a couple on here of being a bullyboy, as you know the last thing I am and am being very careful to avoid any future confrontation. I will be be at today's game hoping for a good result and a happy 110 mile drive home. Whoever is our Manager would never keep me away from the club I have supported since I was six years old, 65 years of several highs but many lows. UTG! Good post bideford, even if I don't agree with some of it, particularly the first bit about last season. You look at someone like Ralf Rangnick who admitted straight away that he does not have the personnel at Man Utd to effectively execute his traditional style of play, therefore he has to adapt. This is what JB did not do last season, and we paid the price. However on the other hand, rather than solely blaming JB, PT and BG, I put more blame on the regime that hired 3 completely contrasting managers throughout the season, which was never going to work. The players were probably roasted by a myriad of different footballing philosophies by the end of the season, hence we surrendered pathetically to finish bottom. But JB should have been mature enough and professional enough to identify what could have given the players the best chance of scraping enough points together to stay above the dotted line, where we were when he arrived. Not to mention, the fact that some people use "he didn't have a window" is not a credible argument. If you give several competing chefs of varying styles the same list of ingredients to work with and the same kitchen, each one will make something different and the quality of the output will depend on who is either lucky with the ingredients they know, or has enough ingenuity to adapt their style accordingly. I don't see why it wouldn't be the same in other professional environments. If you are a top pro in your field, you can make things work with what you are given. It doesn't even need to be pretty or groundbreaking (sorry Rich!) it just needs to do the job. Still, that's my view on it, but I do appreciate yours too.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 11, 2021 9:21:13 GMT
Not to mention, the fact that some people use "he didn't have a window" is not a credible argument. If you give several competing chefs of varying styles the same list of ingredients to work with and the same kitchen, each one will make something different and the quality of the output will depend on who is either lucky with the ingredients they know, or has enough ingenuity to adapt their style accordingly. I don't see why it wouldn't be the same in other professional environments. If you are a top pro in your field, you can make things work with what you are given. It doesn't even need to be pretty or groundbreaking (sorry Rich!) it just needs to do the job. But if all you get is a load of rotting tomatoes then you’re not going to be able to do much with it, even if you’re Gordon Ramsay. Else Kitchen Nightmares would be a far less interesting watch. Personally, I think the squad we had last season was a bunch of rotten tomatoes. Our league position at the end doesn’t lie.
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Post by widnesgas71 on Dec 11, 2021 9:34:45 GMT
Every time we have an occasional win, we've turned a corner. It doesn't matter if we then draw one and lose two, The Corner Is Turned and that's that. It's bizarre to me how some people support him through thick and (mainly) thin. Ok, if he was a nice guy or a great personality, that make make it more understandable, but he doesn't appear to have any redeeming features at all. What's the point of continuing to back a proven failure who talks with his fists rather than his brain? Just because he's our current manager he must be supported at all costs? No thanks. Because a lot of them made it about more than just a manager. It was ideological to them, you only have to go back and read some of the comments to see they have some kind of political/personality point score for them in his appointment. A f**k you to the Liberal snowflakes. Joey Barton does what he wants, tells it how it is dunnee just like wot I done. So yes, now they are stuck with a sh** manager and have too much invested in it to see the facts for what they are. So they will still fight his corner come hell or high water. I suppose if Joey Barton is the hill you choose to die on, at least he's an accomplished Sherpa. You absolute plums. You are trying to imply Barton is right wing or something here! He's a fully fledged Socialist and was huge supporter of Corbyn 🤷
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