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Post by Gashead73 on Jan 3, 2022 17:51:06 GMT
This won't go down with everyone however I will say this..... JB may not not be everyone's cup of tea. We have had a sh** start in our 21/22 campaign. Recently' despite a a few errors we have started to look like a decent side' iron out those issues possibly with a few decent signings and better discipline then I feel than although promotion maybe a miss this year' then I feel with the nucleaus of a good team and extra strengthening we could be serious contenders next season. Most hate JB, everyone is entitled to their opinion but if we are honest JB seems to be slowly getting things right (apart from discipline) If this is the case then surely he deserves to see this season out!?
Can we not all join forces and do our bit for the team despite your political view of JB, when summer comes then bring that question back. Rovers need us strong right now'does that not extend to JB for just 4 more Months?
"Think about it please"
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Post by RD on Jan 3, 2022 17:54:43 GMT
Why should we accept promotion next season though? We were promised - GUARANTEED - it this season??
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 3, 2022 18:00:58 GMT
Barton hasn't dropped a point over the Xmas period.
A definite improvement.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 3, 2022 18:13:37 GMT
Why should we accept promotion next season though? We were promised - GUARANTEED - it this season?? Think we all know Barton was trying to boost the squads confidence, or his own ego!! Think a lot depend on how we finish the season. If we finish strongly and just miss out on promotion, then we will at least be building for next season. If we carry on being inconsistent, then it's not been good enough. At some stage, we need to stick with a manager though. As it can take a few years to build a decent side, unless you get lucky. Everytime we change managers, a new manager wants their own players. So we have to try and move players on, before replacing them.
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Jan 3, 2022 18:19:40 GMT
This won't go down with everyone however I will say this..... JB may not not be everyone's cup of tea. We have had a sh** start in our 21/22 campaign. Recently' despite a a few errors we have started to look like a decent side' iron out those issues possibly with a few decent signings and better discipline then I feel than although promotion maybe a miss this year' then I feel with the nucleaus of a good team and extra strengthening we could be serious contenders next season. Most hate JB, everyone is entitled to their opinion but if we are honest JB seems to be slowly getting things right (apart from discipline) If this is the case then surely he deserves to see this season out!? Can we not all join forces and do our bit for the team despite your political view of JB, when summer comes then bring that question back. Rovers need us strong right now'does that not extend to JB for just 4 more Months? "Think about it please" "Most hate JB"? I'm not happy with the circus that seems to plague him, no doubt he could do without it too albeit most seems to be self inflicted. Nevertheless I'd guess, and it can only be a guess, most fans are indifferent. Yes he splits opinion and he is certainly not DC status but he could yet be if he was to get us to the championship. Let's hope his second court case is as successful as his first; not for him so much as the club as I still feel we could make the play offs this season and then who knows. If we have to change manager again that's likely to be this season written off. January window will be key too, presuming we ever play again!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 18:30:36 GMT
Why should we accept promotion next season though? We were promised - GUARANTEED - it this season?? Think we all know Barton was trying to boost the squads confidence, or his own ego!! Think a lot depend on how we finish the season. If we finish strongly and just miss out on promotion, then we will at least be building for next season. If we carry on being inconsistent, then it's not been good enough. At some stage, we need to stick with a manager though. As it can take a few years to build a decent side, unless you get lucky. Everytime we change managers, a new manager wants their own players. So we have to try and move players on, before replacing them. The bloke stood outside the ground at the end of last season and told fans that if he can’t get us promoted from this division then he shouldn’t have the job. No excuses or bollox. That’s what he said
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 18:31:41 GMT
Why should we accept promotion next season though? We were promised - GUARANTEED - it this season?? Think we all know Barton was trying to boost the squads confidence, or his own ego!! Think a lot depend on how we finish the season. If we finish strongly and just miss out on promotion, then we will at least be building for next season. If we carry on being inconsistent, then it's not been good enough. At some stage, we need to stick with a manager though. As it can take a few years to build a decent side, unless you get lucky. Everytime we change managers, a new manager wants their own players. So we have to try and move players on, before replacing them. Here’s another crazy thought, maybe don’t let every new manager smash the club to pieces. I seem to remember that we got promoted with Trolls keeping the nucleus of the club whilst adding a few solid additions
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Post by axegas on Jan 3, 2022 18:36:45 GMT
Why should we accept promotion next season though? We were promised - GUARANTEED - it this season?? Think we all know Barton was trying to boost the squads confidence, or his own ego!! Think a lot depend on how we finish the season. If we finish strongly and just miss out on promotion, then we will at least be building for next season. If we carry on being inconsistent, then it's not been good enough. At some stage, we need to stick with a manager though. As it can take a few years to build a decent side, unless you get lucky. Everytime we change managers, a new manager wants their own players. So we have to try and move players on, before replacing them. The problem is I don’t think you could call this group of players a long term project or building to something, other than a quick promotion. Which at this stage is looking somewhat unlikely. Nicholson and Evans, both undoubtedly our best players are out of contract at the end of this season. Connor Taylor isn’t ours either and could even go back to his parent club in January. Same with Luke Thomas. Then you’ve got Spence, Harries, Whelan, Brown, Coutts, Pitman, Clarke, Rodman, Jaakkola, Hughes, who all have their contracts expire at the end of this season. Many of those are in their mid thirties or haven’t made much of an impact so far this year. So that leaves us with Belshaw, Kilgour, Collins, Anderson, Finley and possibly whoever we sign in Jan. Decent enough ‘shell’ of a side I suppose but realistically another rebuild will have to be undertaken and probably assembled on a budget less than what we have now to complement that. Is Barton the right man to carry out that rebuild if he’s failed to keep us up in League One from a position of safety and he’s failed to get us back up at the first attempt, despite promising to do so? For me a mid table L2 finish this year wouldn’t be strong enough evidence that he would be. So I hope we can be better after January and get ourselves into playoff contention to avoid having that discussion but to do so we’ll have to be smart about our incomings/outgoings in January and really build up a head of steam when it matters. I’ve seen glimpses of the potential of this side but we’ll have to put it into practice a lot more often.
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Post by warehamgas on Jan 3, 2022 18:57:08 GMT
This won't go down with everyone however I will say this..... JB may not not be everyone's cup of tea. We have had a sh** start in our 21/22 campaign. Recently' despite a a few errors we have started to look like a decent side' iron out those issues possibly with a few decent signings and better discipline then I feel than although promotion maybe a miss this year' then I feel with the nucleaus of a good team and extra strengthening we could be serious contenders next season. Most hate JB, everyone is entitled to their opinion but if we are honest JB seems to be slowly getting things right (apart from discipline) If this is the case then surely he deserves to see this season out!? Can we not all join forces and do our bit for the team despite your political view of JB, when summer comes then bring that question back. Rovers need us strong right now'does that not extend to JB for just 4 more Months? "Think about it please" Fair enough 73, I appreciate what you’re saying and I guess we are where we are and we need to move on and hope the second half of this season is better. I do and will always support the team as I’ve always done. But, I’m not sure “most hate JB”. I don’t and I would imagine ‘most’ on here don’t either. My main gripe with him is that he has managed some very poor performances as a team, he also gave up after the Northampton match last season and for the first time ever I was embarrassed with the team for their collapse to finish bottom. He wanted to rebuild and get his own players in, I understand that but lower league management is about playing the hand you’re dealt with and he basically threw his toys out of the pram and sulked. This season he made several promises which have not been fulfilled, he needed to keep quiet and let his team do the talking for him. Not good enough. Were he to be higher in the table ok, but we were 17th, 18th now. Blimey! That is just not good enough and it’s on the basis of our performances under him that I say he now needs to do a lot, lot better or he needs to go. I’m not calling for him to go now but good people like you and our owner are giving him a lot more slack than some would. But I don’t hate him for what he’s done and I was hoping he’d be a lot better than he has proved. His performance as manager if BRFC has been mediocre, at best. UTG!
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Post by pucklegas on Jan 3, 2022 19:08:34 GMT
If we can keep Nicho and Evans and add to the squad with quality not quantity, I think we could give it a good go next season, shame JCH has not turned up this season as was hoping we would get a massive windfall.
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Post by Gassy on Jan 3, 2022 19:27:20 GMT
Can we not all join forces and do our bit for the team despite your political view of JB, when summer comes then bring that question back. Doesn't everyone keep commenting that the atmosphere at the ground is pretty good and actually fairly supportive? I'm not sure what more people want, surely getting behind the team on match day is all we can ask for? If you're asking people to suppress their opinions on our manager and not discuss it on our manager, then we might as well close this forum down tbh.
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 3, 2022 19:33:14 GMT
Think we all know Barton was trying to boost the squads confidence, or his own ego!! Think a lot depend on how we finish the season. If we finish strongly and just miss out on promotion, then we will at least be building for next season. If we carry on being inconsistent, then it's not been good enough. At some stage, we need to stick with a manager though. As it can take a few years to build a decent side, unless you get lucky. Everytime we change managers, a new manager wants their own players. So we have to try and move players on, before replacing them. The problem is I don’t think you could call this group of players a long term project or building to something, other than a quick promotion. Which at this stage is looking somewhat unlikely. Nicholson and Evans, both undoubtedly our best players are out of contract at the end of this season. Connor Taylor isn’t ours either and could even go back to his parent club in January. Same with Luke Thomas. Then you’ve got Spence, Harries, Whelan, Brown, Coutts, Pitman, Clarke, Rodman, Jaakkola, Hughes, who all have their contracts expire at the end of this season. Many of those are in their mid thirties or haven’t made much of an impact so far this year. So that leaves us with Belshaw, Kilgour, Collins, Anderson, Finley and possibly whoever we sign in Jan. Decent enough ‘shell’ of a side I suppose but realistically another rebuild will have to be undertaken and probably assembled on a budget less than what we have now to complement that. Is Barton the right man to carry out that rebuild if he’s failed to keep us up in League One from a position of safety and he’s failed to get us back up at the first attempt, despite promising to do so? For me a mid table L2 finish this year wouldn’t be strong enough evidence that he would be. So I hope we can be better after January and get ourselves into playoff contention to avoid having that discussion but to do so we’ll have to be smart about our incomings/outgoings in January and really build up a head of steam when it matters. I’ve seen glimpses of the potential of this side but we’ll have to put it into practice a lot more often. When we signed Trevor Clarke it was announced we have an option to extend the contract, by another year. It could be the same with some of these others. Hopefully we can keep the player's that are performing well at the end of the season.
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Post by kentgas on Jan 3, 2022 21:05:10 GMT
Also have Saunders and Anderton on 2 year deals.
Plus Westbrooke’s contract is up.
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Post by kruger on Jan 3, 2022 22:00:14 GMT
This won't go down with everyone however I will say this..... JB may not not be everyone's cup of tea. We have had a sh** start in our 21/22 campaign. Recently' despite a a few errors we have started to look like a decent side' iron out those issues possibly with a few decent signings and better discipline then I feel than although promotion maybe a miss this year' then I feel with the nucleaus of a good team and extra strengthening we could be serious contenders next season. Most hate JB, everyone is entitled to their opinion but if we are honest JB seems to be slowly getting things right (apart from discipline) If this is the case then surely he deserves to see this season out!? Can we not all join forces and do our bit for the team despite your political view of JB, when summer comes then bring that question back. Rovers need us strong right now'does that not extend to JB for just 4 more Months? "Think about it please" agreed, most don't hate JB though, just a few on here and maybe q few in the ground, he gets plenty of support around the Mem
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Jan 3, 2022 22:01:23 GMT
Can we not all join forces and do our bit for the team despite your political view of JB, when summer comes then bring that question back. Doesn't everyone keep commenting that the atmosphere at the ground is pretty good and actually fairly supportive? I'm not sure what more people want, surely getting behind the team on match day is all we can ask for? If you're asking people to suppress their opinions on our manager and not discuss it on our manager, then we might as well close this forum down tbh. I agree that the atmosphere at The Mem has been good, and no evidence of division in the ranks re. getting behind the team.
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Post by mariobalotelli on Jan 3, 2022 22:40:14 GMT
Why should we accept promotion next season though? We were promised - GUARANTEED - it this season?? Think we all know Barton was trying to boost the squads confidence, or his own ego!! Think a lot depend on how we finish the season. If we finish strongly and just miss out on promotion, then we will at least be building for next season. If we carry on being inconsistent, then it's not been good enough. At some stage, we need to stick with a manager though. As it can take a few years to build a decent side, unless you get lucky. Everytime we change managers, a new manager wants their own players. So we have to try and move players on, before replacing them. I like you and usually enjoy a debate with you but posts like this are to be described stupid at best. Boost the squads and his own confidence in private. Coming out with "I PROMISE I will get Rovers promoted this year" not only sets the bar at a level where we clearly do not have the quality but it invites other managers to use it as motiviation against us. Carry on being inconsistent? We are consistently bad!! Joey Barton has been in charge of 46 matches for us all in. A whole season, with a 1.02 PPG. He has used 53 players. League 2 he has managed 21, W5, D7, L9. League 1 he has managed 18, W3, D2, L13. When considering league form, he has managed 39, W8, D9, L21. 33 points from 39 games. If ANY manager in ANY league for ANY club has THAT form they are correctly fired.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 23:03:48 GMT
I agree that things have gone from dire to simply rather poor with 1 win in last 5 league games. Some hate him and others love him irrespective of results. Some are more optimistic than others. Personally, I think mid-table is possible.
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Post by aghast on Jan 3, 2022 23:35:16 GMT
I agree that things have gone from dire to simply rather poor with 1 win in last 5 league games. Some hate him and others love him irrespective of results. Some are more optimistic than others. Personally, I think mid-table is possible. Joey enters interview room. Wael: "How do you see things going if you get the job,Joey?" JB: "Well, I think under my leadership we'll finish bottom, but I'll sign a whole new squad for L2, and a mid table finish is possible." Wael: "The job's yours, son".
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Post by daniel300380 on Jan 3, 2022 23:40:43 GMT
Think we all know Barton was trying to boost the squads confidence, or his own ego!! Think a lot depend on how we finish the season. If we finish strongly and just miss out on promotion, then we will at least be building for next season. If we carry on being inconsistent, then it's not been good enough. At some stage, we need to stick with a manager though. As it can take a few years to build a decent side, unless you get lucky. Everytime we change managers, a new manager wants their own players. So we have to try and move players on, before replacing them. I like you and usually enjoy a debate with you but posts like this are to be described stupid at best. Boost the squads and his own confidence in private. Coming out with "I PROMISE I will get Rovers promoted this year" not only sets the bar at a level where we clearly do not have the quality but it invites other managers to use it as motiviation against us. Carry on being inconsistent? We are consistently bad!! Joey Barton has been in charge of 46 matches for us all in. A whole season, with a 1.02 PPG. He has used 53 players. League 2 he has managed 21, W5, D7, L9. League 1 he has managed 18, W3, D2, L13. When considering league form, he has managed 39, W8, D9, L21. 33 points from 39 games. If ANY manager in ANY league for ANY club has THAT form they are correctly fired. I didn't praise him at all. If he had been fired this season, then it would have been hard, to argue with it. Just saying, if we finish strongly and just miss out on promotion, I wouldn't get rid of him at that stage. That's hypothetical anyway and we could finish poorly. At some stage we need consistency, we need to plan and build over a few years. If this form continues, he has to go! But the board have stuck by him, so if we finish strongly, we have to back him and build on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 23:45:36 GMT
Also have Saunders and Anderton on 2 year deals. Plus Westbrooke’s contract is up. Westbrooke contract is not up in summer.
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