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Post by warehamgas on Jun 10, 2022 21:23:42 GMT
Do we know BG was Wael’s call? Or was it Starnes/TW? Not sure if that was in response to my previous post gande but I’d be surprised if Wael delegated that appointment to anyone else though of course you may be correct. But if he did delegate the appointment then it would still be a big error on his behalf. Wouldn’t it? UTG!
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Post by chigas on Jun 11, 2022 18:48:53 GMT
I’ve said we should move on and wish him luck and mean it. But what still irks me is the situation we found ourselves in during December ‘19. Whatever my thoughts abòut Coughlans style of football and how perhaps our position in the league, 4th, may have been difficult to maintain we were still 4th and until the last 10 minutes on Boxing Day when we were leading AFC Wimbledon before losing we were 2nd. It was the first time this century when we were in the promotion race in League 1. Eventually Wycombe went up via the play offs, something we could have challenged for with the right appointment. Now I’m not saying we would have gone up but we were in with a chance. That’s all you can say in December. That the owner decided mid season to change everything and appoint the complete opposite of GC showed a complete disdain for us the fans. To have gone so differently and the players who had a distinct style which was producing results were then messed about it took until the last match before lockdown against Sunderland before we won again. It was/is one of Wael’s biggest mistakes imo. He treated the fans very poorly in throwing away that opportunity. And of course it spread over into the next season. UTG! You may accuse the owner of many things but not "complete disdain for the fans"
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 11, 2022 19:31:23 GMT
I’ve said we should move on and wish him luck and mean it. But what still irks me is the situation we found ourselves in during December ‘19. Whatever my thoughts abòut Coughlans style of football and how perhaps our position in the league, 4th, may have been difficult to maintain we were still 4th and until the last 10 minutes on Boxing Day when we were leading AFC Wimbledon before losing we were 2nd. It was the first time this century when we were in the promotion race in League 1. Eventually Wycombe went up via the play offs, something we could have challenged for with the right appointment. Now I’m not saying we would have gone up but we were in with a chance. That’s all you can say in December. That the owner decided mid season to change everything and appoint the complete opposite of GC showed a complete disdain for us the fans. To have gone so differently and the players who had a distinct style which was producing results were then messed about it took until the last match before lockdown against Sunderland before we won again. It was/is one of Wael’s biggest mistakes imo. He treated the fans very poorly in throwing away that opportunity. And of course it spread over into the next season. UTG! You may accuse the owner of many things but not "complete disdain for the fans" Normally I would agree with you but on that occasion, in with a promotion challenge for the first time in nearly 20 years in League 1 it was a decision all about a “project” and ripping up what was happening not about maintaining the challenge. So yes, I think he did show disdain towards us on that occasion. UTG!
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Post by garystash on Jun 11, 2022 20:43:07 GMT
I’ve said we should move on and wish him luck and mean it. But what still irks me is the situation we found ourselves in during December ‘19. Whatever my thoughts abòut Coughlans style of football and how perhaps our position in the league, 4th, may have been difficult to maintain we were still 4th and until the last 10 minutes on Boxing Day when we were leading AFC Wimbledon before losing we were 2nd. It was the first time this century when we were in the promotion race in League 1. Eventually Wycombe went up via the play offs, something we could have challenged for with the right appointment. Now I’m not saying we would have gone up but we were in with a chance. That’s all you can say in December. That the owner decided mid season to change everything and appoint the complete opposite of GC showed a complete disdain for us the fans. To have gone so differently and the players who had a distinct style which was producing results were then messed about it took until the last match before lockdown against Sunderland before we won again. It was/is one of Wael’s biggest mistakes imo. He treated the fans very poorly in throwing away that opportunity. And of course it spread over into the next season. UTG! I would say the complete opposite - that he tried to appease the fans. The amount of moaning I heard about the style of football under Coughlan, even people staying away because they weren't going to pay money to watch that. Are you seriously saying the fans were happy? Because despite our league position that's not how I remember it.
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Post by gasify on Jun 12, 2022 9:34:23 GMT
I don’t think you can blame Widdrington, Starnes or Tisdale for our form before the pandemic curtailed the 19/20 season. We were sh**e before they rebuilt everything. Garners performance with Coughlan squad is on him. I thought the general concensus now was that a manager gets a mulligan with the previous managers players? Still maintain the fact is that the points per game under BG would have kept us up that season. Whether that would have continued or not, we'll no one knows...
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 10:45:55 GMT
I don’t think you can blame Widdrington, Starnes or Tisdale for our form before the pandemic curtailed the 19/20 season. We were sh**e before they rebuilt everything. Garners performance with Coughlan squad is on him. I thought the general concensus now was that a manager gets a mulligan with the previous managers players? Still maintain the fact is that the points per game under BG would have kept us up that season. Whether that would have continued or not, we'll no one knows... Free pass if they’re sh**e, no excuses when they’re in playoff form for me. That’s why I don’t blame the likes of DC and JB for their relegations but BG gets a pelting from me. The way this forum talks about BG you could almost forget how we blew 19/20 in such spectacular fashion and expect us to have been in playoff form, when in reality we were hovering just above relegation. When BG hit his solitary purple patch we were playing teams in the relegation quagmire and scraping results. Said it at the time it wasn’t sustainable. We were going down if he kept onto him it’s just a shame Tisdale turned out to be such a poor appointment and Barton had nothing to work with. People conveniently forget how bad Garner was in 19/2.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2022 10:59:23 GMT
I don’t think you can blame Widdrington, Starnes or Tisdale for our form before the pandemic curtailed the 19/20 season. We were sh**e before they rebuilt everything. Garners performance with Coughlan squad is on him. I thought the general concensus now was that a manager gets a mulligan with the previous managers players? Still maintain the fact is that the points per game under BG would have kept us up that season. Whether that would have continued or not, we'll no one knows... I can't understand your post, I doubt anybody is disputing BG's ppg would have kept us up but the Fleetwood thrashing at the Mem suggested that wasn't going to be achieved, clearly that was the BoD's view or they wouldn't have dismissed BG.
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Post by gasify on Jun 12, 2022 11:29:51 GMT
I thought the general concensus now was that a manager gets a mulligan with the previous managers players? Still maintain the fact is that the points per game under BG would have kept us up that season. Whether that would have continued or not, we'll no one knows... I can't understand your post, I doubt anybody is disputing BG's ppg would have kept us up but the Fleetwood thrashing at the Mem suggested that wasn't going to be achieved, clearly that was the BoD's view or they wouldn't have dismissed BG. The point of the post is to call out the hypocrites on here. It seems like they pick and choose what to say without consistency. My view is that: It was GC approach that wasn't sustainable. We got lucky playing sh** football for half a season. The second half, we would have been found out. BG changed the way that we played in that season that was aborted and found we didn't have the quality of player required for passing football. BG was given the chance to build his own team (whether he got that chance or whether TW did it for him, I'm not sure we will ever know). That team he assembled had a ppg that if continued would have kept us up. If that was against teams at the bottom of the table then there is no reason to think that wouldn't have continued. When JB took over, staying up was in our own hands. In fact how many of the last 10 games were against teams we were having a relegation battle with and how many did we win. Ben Garner doesn't deserve the criticism that he gets. Let's see how he gets on at Charlton. Who knows in the season after next it could be JB vs BG for a place in the premiership. Wouldn't that need nice.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 11:58:44 GMT
Bit rich to be calling others hypocrites when they just happen to have the opposite take to you.
As I said before Coughlans squad was battling for promotion. Maybe it wasn’t sustainable.
Garners squad was battling for relegation. Maybe it was sustainable.
Difference is that unless you’re managing Sunderland you tend not to get sacked for fighting promotion but for relegation you probably will get sacked.
Contrary to gaschat fact he was working on shoestring plenty of sources from other clubs were suggesting we’d invested heavily in Garners squad (See comments from the Gills chairman - Scally?) to the extent a relegation battle was not acceptable.
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Post by Quarters on Jun 12, 2022 12:02:59 GMT
Bit rich to be calling others hypocrites when they just happen to have the opposite take to you. As I said before Coughlans squad was battling for promotion. Maybe it wasn’t sustainable. Garners squad was battling for relegation. Maybe it was sustainable. Difference is that unless you’re managing Sunderland you tend not to get sacked for fighting promotion but for relegation you probably will get sacked. Contrary to gaschat fact he was working on shoestring plenty of sources from other clubs were suggesting we’d invested heavily in Garners squad (See comments from the Gills chairman - Scally?) to the extent a relegation battle was not acceptable. Is Scally said it then it must be true!
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 12:08:33 GMT
Bit rich to be calling others hypocrites when they just happen to have the opposite take to you. As I said before Coughlans squad was battling for promotion. Maybe it wasn’t sustainable. Garners squad was battling for relegation. Maybe it was sustainable. Difference is that unless you’re managing Sunderland you tend not to get sacked for fighting promotion but for relegation you probably will get sacked. Contrary to gaschat fact he was working on shoestring plenty of sources from other clubs were suggesting we’d invested heavily in Garners squad (See comments from the Gills chairman - Scally?) to the extent a relegation battle was not acceptable. Is Scally said it then it must be true! I’d place more faith in that than a load of people on an Internet forum repeating what they’d read on said Internet forum.
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Post by gasify on Jun 12, 2022 12:30:27 GMT
Bit rich to be calling others hypocrites when they just happen to have the opposite take to you. As I said before Coughlans squad was battling for promotion. Maybe it wasn’t sustainable. Garners squad was battling for relegation. Maybe it was sustainable. Difference is that unless you’re managing Sunderland you tend not to get sacked for fighting promotion but for relegation you probably will get sacked. Contrary to gaschat fact he was working on shoestring plenty of sources from other clubs were suggesting we’d invested heavily in Garners squad (See comments from the Gills chairman - Scally?) to the extent a relegation battle was not acceptable. It's not because they have a different view. It's because they say one thing about JB and completely opposite for BG. BG points per game would have kept us up. JB points per game got us relegated. Imagine, if JB had kept the same points per game as BG and then had a successful season, we might be looking forward to two Bristol derby's in the coming season.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 12:37:31 GMT
Bit rich to be calling others hypocrites when they just happen to have the opposite take to you. As I said before Coughlans squad was battling for promotion. Maybe it wasn’t sustainable. Garners squad was battling for relegation. Maybe it was sustainable. Difference is that unless you’re managing Sunderland you tend not to get sacked for fighting promotion but for relegation you probably will get sacked. Contrary to gaschat fact he was working on shoestring plenty of sources from other clubs were suggesting we’d invested heavily in Garners squad (See comments from the Gills chairman - Scally?) to the extent a relegation battle was not acceptable. It's not because they have a different view. It's because they say one thing about JB and completely opposite for BG. BG points per game would have kept us up. JB points per game got us relegated. Imagine, if JB had kept the same points per game as BG and then had a successful season, we might be looking forward to two Bristol derby's in the coming season. So I’m one of the people you’re calling a hypocrite yet what I’m seeing from you in your last post was that GCs form was unsustainable yet Garners was. So by the same logic, you’re doing exactly the same thing but with a different manager to compare BG against. Forgiving JB for his poor form under another managers squad is not the same as slamming BG for his poor form under another managers squad. As one inherited a team flying at the top of the table, the other inherited a team that was heading straight to the relegation zone on trajectory because of the poor squad assembled by Garner and the poor winter activity of Tisdale.
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Post by playtowin on Jun 12, 2022 13:16:21 GMT
I think JB realised the game was up when Sammy Nic got injured.He didnt get the luxury of bringing in any players to solidify the team. I dont think he would have been able to bring in the numbers required to be honest.
A Connor Taylor ,Coutts ,Collins ,H Anderson bundle might have been enough to keep us up.
I think the 3-2 defeat was the last game he played. After that it was just loss after loss. Think we drew with northampton and beat doncaster the rest zilch. Hanlan who was a low scoring striker was missing,Ayunga was lively but just not upto the role at the time. Leahy and McCormick were the only goal threats really.As the team in defence they seemed incapable of keeping a clean sheet it was just a case of when relegation happened. The squad just didnt have the right balance of players to succeed.which was made worse by injuries.
Ben Gurner showed he was a one trick pony at Rovers. He had one method of team play and if that failed there was nothing. Im sure he has learned plenty since his abject failure with the DC/GC team.
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Post by gasify on Jun 12, 2022 13:18:13 GMT
It's not because they have a different view. It's because they say one thing about JB and completely opposite for BG. BG points per game would have kept us up. JB points per game got us relegated. Imagine, if JB had kept the same points per game as BG and then had a successful season, we might be looking forward to two Bristol derby's in the coming season. So I’m one of the people you’re calling a hypocrite yet what I’m seeing from you in your last post was that GCs form was unsustainable yet Garners was. So by the same logic, you’re doing exactly the same thing but with a different manager to compare BG against. Forgiving JB for his poor form under another managers squad is not the same as slamming BG for his poor form under another managers squad. As one inherited a team flying at the top of the table, the other inherited a team that was heading straight to the relegation zone on trajectory because of the poor squad assembled by Garner and the poor winter activity of Tisdale. I'm not calling any one individual a hypocrite. I am saying that those that forgive JB for relegation in one sentence and in the next use BG as the reason we got relegated is a bit hypocritical. Yes, I can see that the same can be said about GC and BG. This is my thought process, it was the loss of Jakola that saw us drop down the league and I think that would have continued regardless of who the manager was. That position is one of the most important (if not the most important) especially when you are playing counter attacking football. The keeping problem was only solved by JB bringing Belshaw in. I just think that people remember GC with Rose tinted glasses, BG has become a scapegoat and JB has only really got us back to where we were before he joined. Of course, I have really enjoyed the 2nd half of the season and am looking forward to next season. My judgement of JB will be this season, rather than last. Genuine question: What are we aiming for league 1? Survival Mid table Playoffs Promotion
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2022 13:27:20 GMT
I think JB realised the game was up when Sammy Nic got injured.He didnt get the luxury of bringing in any players to solidify the team. I dont think he would have been able to bring in the numbers required to be honest. A Connor Taylor ,Coutts ,Collins ,H Anderson bundle might have been enough to keep us up. I think the 3-2 defeat was the last game he played. After that it was just loss after loss. Think we drew with northampton and beat doncaster the rest zilch. Hanlan who was a low scoring striker was missing,Ayunga was lively but just not upto the role at the time. Leahy and McCormick were the only goal threats really.As the team in defence they seemed incapable of keeping a clean sheet it was just a case of when relegation happened. The squad just didnt have the right balance of players to succeed.which was made worse by injuries. Ben Gurner showed he was a one trick pony at Rovers. He had one method of team play and if that failed there was nothing.Im sure he has learned plenty since his abject failure with the DC/GC team. Swindon fans still say similar, BG want into the play offs as the form team with probably the best forward, McKirkdy, but didn't even make the final. You do wonder whether some posters actually regularly watch Rovers as the period leading up to BG's dismissal was one of the worse periods, perhaps the worse, for a very long time.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 13:32:39 GMT
So I’m one of the people you’re calling a hypocrite yet what I’m seeing from you in your last post was that GCs form was unsustainable yet Garners was. So by the same logic, you’re doing exactly the same thing but with a different manager to compare BG against. Forgiving JB for his poor form under another managers squad is not the same as slamming BG for his poor form under another managers squad. As one inherited a team flying at the top of the table, the other inherited a team that was heading straight to the relegation zone on trajectory because of the poor squad assembled by Garner and the poor winter activity of Tisdale. I'm not calling any one individual a hypocrite. I am saying that those that forgive JB for relegation in one sentence and in the next use BG as the reason we got relegated is a bit hypocritical. Yes, I can see that the same can be said about GC and BG. This is my thought process, it was the loss of Jakola that saw us drop down the league and I think that would have continued regardless of who the manager was. That position is one of the most important (if not the most important) especially when you are playing counter attacking football. The keeping problem was only solved by JB bringing Belshaw in. I just think that people remember GC with Rose tinted glasses, BG has become a scapegoat and JB has only really got us back to where we were before he joined. Of course, I have really enjoyed the 2nd half of the season and am looking forward to next season. My judgement of JB will be this season, rather than last. Genuine question: What are we aiming for league 1? Survival Mid table Playoffs Promotion Hypocrite is a strong word to use against people you disagree with. You might not be targeting it against one person individually but if you make a statement that applies to a number of posters then don’t be surprised if they try to call you out on it. Personally, the worst thing about GCs tenure was all the people chucking their toys out of their pram when we sat 4th in the league because the football wasn’t pretty. Whilst it wasn’t pretty it was effective. Maybe we wouldn’t have finished in the playoffs but I see no reason why our good form shouldn’t or couldn’t have continued. I wasn’t against the strategy Garner was bought in under but in my opinion he was the wrong manager at the wrong time and the application of the strategy was diabolical. There’s nothing wrong with young hungry players but Garner was blinded by if they had been in the prem or not and they turned out to be boys rather than men. The experienced players bought in we’re not sufficient. The keeper situation could have been managed by getting a decent #2 in as Joey did. Every manager is exposed to injuries. Garner had a transfer window in which he bought in around 6-10 players of his own. He bought in the wrong ones. A lot of them he had worked with before so it clearly wasn’t just a Widdrington affair. JB had no chance to bring his own players in. To call people hypocritical because they happen to ‘forgive’ JB but judge BG is lazy debate because it’s far more nuanced than that. Different circumstances, different opportunities to make their own impact.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 12, 2022 14:32:52 GMT
I'm not calling any one individual a hypocrite. I am saying that those that forgive JB for relegation in one sentence and in the next use BG as the reason we got relegated is a bit hypocritical. Yes, I can see that the same can be said about GC and BG. This is my thought process, it was the loss of Jakola that saw us drop down the league and I think that would have continued regardless of who the manager was. That position is one of the most important (if not the most important) especially when you are playing counter attacking football. The keeping problem was only solved by JB bringing Belshaw in. I just think that people remember GC with Rose tinted glasses, BG has become a scapegoat and JB has only really got us back to where we were before he joined. Of course, I have really enjoyed the 2nd half of the season and am looking forward to next season. My judgement of JB will be this season, rather than last. Genuine question: What are we aiming for league 1? Survival Mid table Playoffs Promotion Hypocrite is a strong word to use against people you disagree with. You might not be targeting it against one person individually but if you make a statement that applies to a number of posters then don’t be surprised if they try to call you out on it. Personally, the worst thing about GCs tenure was all the people chucking their toys out of their pram when we sat 4th in the league because the football wasn’t pretty. Whilst it wasn’t pretty it was effective. Maybe we wouldn’t have finished in the playoffs but I see no reason why our good form shouldn’t or couldn’t have continued. I wasn’t against the strategy Garner was bought in under but in my opinion he was the wrong manager at the wrong time and the application of the strategy was diabolical. There’s nothing wrong with young hungry players but Garner was blinded by if they had been in the prem or not and they turned out to be boys rather than men. The experienced players bought in we’re not sufficient. The keeper situation could have been managed by getting a decent #2 in as Joey did. Every manager is exposed to injuries. Garner had a transfer window in which he bought in around 6-10 players of his own. He bought in the wrong ones. A lot of them he had worked with before so it clearly wasn’t just a Widdrington affair. JB had no chance to bring his own players in. To call people hypocritical because they happen to ‘forgive’ JB but judge BG is lazy debate because it’s far more nuanced than that. Different circumstances, different opportunities to make their own impact. Re GC pretty certain most fans go to home games to be entertained, it's OK snatching a 1-0 win over the likes of Sunderland but surely not too much to expect giving the likes of Accrington and Wycombe a decent game of football. The fact we had so many sell outs under JB seems to support the fact that Gasheads want to see attractive winning football not just winning football. I guess if it was costing me £3m+ a season to run Rovers then I'd want to at least be entertained on a Saturday/Tuesday! Just a pity Wael didn't replace GC with a decent manager who might have also forced TW out earlier.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jun 12, 2022 14:44:43 GMT
Hypocrite is a strong word to use against people you disagree with. You might not be targeting it against one person individually but if you make a statement that applies to a number of posters then don’t be surprised if they try to call you out on it. Personally, the worst thing about GCs tenure was all the people chucking their toys out of their pram when we sat 4th in the league because the football wasn’t pretty. Whilst it wasn’t pretty it was effective. Maybe we wouldn’t have finished in the playoffs but I see no reason why our good form shouldn’t or couldn’t have continued. I wasn’t against the strategy Garner was bought in under but in my opinion he was the wrong manager at the wrong time and the application of the strategy was diabolical. There’s nothing wrong with young hungry players but Garner was blinded by if they had been in the prem or not and they turned out to be boys rather than men. The experienced players bought in we’re not sufficient. The keeper situation could have been managed by getting a decent #2 in as Joey did. Every manager is exposed to injuries. Garner had a transfer window in which he bought in around 6-10 players of his own. He bought in the wrong ones. A lot of them he had worked with before so it clearly wasn’t just a Widdrington affair. JB had no chance to bring his own players in. To call people hypocritical because they happen to ‘forgive’ JB but judge BG is lazy debate because it’s far more nuanced than that. Different circumstances, different opportunities to make their own impact. Re GC pretty certain most fans go to home games to be entertained, it's OK snatching a 1-0 win over the likes of Sunderland but surely not too much to expect giving the likes of Accrington and Wycombe a decent game of football. The fact we had so many sell outs under JB seems to support the fact that Gasheads want to see attractive winning football not just winning football. I guess if it was costing me £3m+ a season to run Rovers then I'd want to at least be entertained on a Saturday/Tuesday! Just a pity Wael didn't replace GC with a decent manager who might have also forced TW out earlier. Doesn’t have to be a binary choice. We swapped out winning ugly for losing ugly and eventually getting dicked ugly.
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 12, 2022 14:58:43 GMT
I’ve said we should move on and wish him luck and mean it. But what still irks me is the situation we found ourselves in during December ‘19. Whatever my thoughts abòut Coughlans style of football and how perhaps our position in the league, 4th, may have been difficult to maintain we were still 4th and until the last 10 minutes on Boxing Day when we were leading AFC Wimbledon before losing we were 2nd. It was the first time this century when we were in the promotion race in League 1. Eventually Wycombe went up via the play offs, something we could have challenged for with the right appointment. Now I’m not saying we would have gone up but we were in with a chance. That’s all you can say in December. That the owner decided mid season to change everything and appoint the complete opposite of GC showed a complete disdain for us the fans. To have gone so differently and the players who had a distinct style which was producing results were then messed about it took until the last match before lockdown against Sunderland before we won again. It was/is one of Wael’s biggest mistakes imo. He treated the fans very poorly in throwing away that opportunity. And of course it spread over into the next season. UTG! I would say the complete opposite - that he tried to appease the fans. The amount of moaning I heard about the style of football under Coughlan, even people staying away because they weren't going to pay money to watch that. Are you seriously saying the fans were happy? Because despite our league position that's not how I remember it. That’s fine, you can say the opposite it’s a forum full of different views. I didn’t mention the happiness of the fans but that wasn’t the point I was making. I was happy we were 4th in the table with a determined team who played to their strengths and ran through walls for each other. I was happy we looked to be making a real challenge at the top places in League 1, a situation that hadn’t happened since Holloway’s 99/00 season nearly 20 years before. Those challenges at the top end of Div 3/ League 1 were a normal season for us at one time. My point, and I suspect you know what it was, I was fairly clear, was that Wael decided for whatever reason to go a different way and embark upon a different project mid season when we were at the highest point, football wise we had been at for 20 years. I thought then, I think now that few fan bases would have put up with that without a lot of fan unrest, and that the decision to go completely different showed a complete lack of consideration for where we were at that time. He then got many plaudits because we then had the pandemic when Wael undoubtedly saved us with his support. Wycombe showed what could have been achieved that season. Now in my original post regarding this I accepted we may not have gained promotion nor even a play-off place but to have just given it up for the project was very poor, imo. And I hope most on here would know I have been a real supporter of Wael and his support for the club, I have always felt he was a good and supportive owner. But at that point in time it was a poor decision lacking ambition and awareness of where we were at that point. I accept that the style of football may not have been to your liking and I won’t make any assumptions whether you liked being 4th in the table or not, our highest position for such a long time. I don’t expect others to always agree with me but having supported us for 56 years and counting I was surprised that what happened for the remainder of that season seemed to be accepted. Sorry if you disagree. UTG! As always.
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