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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2022 19:53:50 GMT
Mmm. Fair enough, you’re on a wind-up. Either that or you are talking complete bo****. But I’ll bite. The current team would be blown away by the 1973-74 team. Once they were on the end of a Frankie Prince tackle they’d limp off crying. And the 1989-90 team would beat them easily as well. UTG! Yep, and would then be sent off! Part wind up but I don’t think the standard of football was very good before the late 80s and early nineties. I’m sure there were some excellent players, I’m just saying from what I’ve seen in replays it’s not as entertaining as modern football. And yes, there are distinctly more players with poor fitness compared to today. But yes I’m being confrontational about it! Who doesn’t enjoy a generational war. Ok. Thanks for your honesty. Regarding the “would then be sent off” comment. Unlikely he would be sent off because the laws regarding tackling haven’t greatly changed. Back then players were taught how to tackle and it was a far greater part of the game then. They were taught to do it properly and get the ball. Now, I look at games and you see very few real tackles, when you do see them it makes the crowd react, home player positively, away player they shout for him to be sent off. But many players don’t know how to tackle because it isn’t taught. So what you get nowadays is something that’s mis-timed, half-hearted and usually done out of desperation. Players don’t really know how to tackle today because it’s not taught, it’s not part of daily training. (Can you imagine Pep G spending any time on teaching his players how to tackle? No, I can’t either.) Your point about the standard of non league is a fair one. The standard outside of the EFL is far better now, reflecting the greater interest, media interest and everyone now wanting a slice of a very large football pie. There’s more money overall and this filters down to non league. You’re partly correct though, there were some excellent players and with regards to Rovers, because for much of that time we were far higher in the pyramid, the standard of our players then were far higher than now on a comparative scale. Hence my pov that our teams then would beat our teams now. Generational war!!! I’m sure your mum taught you to respect your elders! Behave yourself! 😉 UTG!
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 17, 2022 19:59:36 GMT
Yep, and would then be sent off! Part wind up but I don’t think the standard of football was very good before the late 80s and early nineties. I’m sure there were some excellent players, I’m just saying from what I’ve seen in replays it’s not as entertaining as modern football. And yes, there are distinctly more players with poor fitness compared to today. But yes I’m being confrontational about it! Who doesn’t enjoy a generational war. Ok. Thanks for your honesty. Regarding the “would then be sent off” comment. Unlikely he would be sent off because the laws regarding tackling haven’t greatly changed. Back then players were taught how to tackle and it was a far greater part of the game then. They were taught to do it properly and get the ball. Now, I look at games and you see very few real tackles, when you do see them it makes the crowd react, home player positively, away player they shout for him to be sent off. But many players don’t know how to tackle because it isn’t taught. So what you get nowadays is something that’s mis-timed, half-hearted and usually done out of desperation. Players don’t really know how to tackle today because it’s not taught, it’s not part of daily training. (Can you imagine Pep G spending any time on teaching his players how to tackle? No, I can’t either.) Your point about the standard of non league is a fair one. The standard outside of the EFL is far better now, reflecting the greater interest, media interest and everyone now wanting a slice of a very large football pie. There’s more money overall and this filters down to non league. You’re partly correct though, there were some excellent players and with regards to Rovers, because for much of that time we were far higher in the pyramid, the standard of our players then were far higher than now on a comparative scale. Hence my pov that our teams then would beat our teams now. Generational war!!! I’m sure your mum taught you to respect your elders! Behave yourself! 😉 UTG! I just expect my youngers to respect their elders. MY elders can shove it :-) So the only point I will add, and those are some interesting points, that what gets you booked and sent off has definitely changed. I can show you examples of loads of fouls in old games which are straight reds now either not getting carded or a yellow. So while the rules on tackling haven’t changed, that’s why players don’t charge in now because if you get it wrong you’re off.
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Post by justin blue on Feb 17, 2022 20:01:25 GMT
I've seen Rovers teams play good football on an absolute glue pot of a pitch at Eastville. Kick and rush? All of it? Not what I saw, nowhere near it. The concept of possession wasn’t as well defined from the games I’ve seen. Tactics seemed much more direct. Get a cross or shot in. Not much playing it back around the back 4. Indeed, there may not been the concept of a back 4. You can hear a lot of older fans get really frustrated with things like back to the goalie or back along the back line. I hear “kick if FORWARDS” frequently, when it’s actually being in control! Of course what you are saying is true to an extent. Players now are fitter have better diets and lifestyles than their predecessors. But football like everything else must evolve and improve though in terms of football being pleasing to watch not much has changed. What we are watching today will look pretty crude in twenty to thirty years, but that doesn’t mean it is any less exiting or enjoyable. I think you have to see past football the same as we do historical building’s or films as examples of that time, but appreciated in the context of those times.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 17, 2022 20:06:55 GMT
The concept of possession wasn’t as well defined from the games I’ve seen. Tactics seemed much more direct. Get a cross or shot in. Not much playing it back around the back 4. Indeed, there may not been the concept of a back 4. You can hear a lot of older fans get really frustrated with things like back to the goalie or back along the back line. I hear “kick if FORWARDS” frequently, when it’s actually being in control! Of course what you are saying is true to an extent. Players now are fitter have better diets and lifestyles than their predecessors. But football like everything else must evolve and improve though in terms of football being pleasing to watch not much has changed. What we are watching today will look pretty crude in twenty to thirty years, but that doesn’t mean it is any less exiting or enjoyable. I think you have to see past football the same as we do historical building’s or films as examples of that time, but appreciated in the context of those times. Yeah that’s very true. You also get classic eras, like 90s boxing, 2010s men’s tennis, 80s and 90s formula 1. To be fair I was a bit dismissive but it’s gets the healthy debate going. To be fair 80s football was classic. Tiny players could outjump goalkeepers with a little divine intervention.
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 17, 2022 20:09:15 GMT
I've seen Rovers teams play good football on an absolute glue pot of a pitch at Eastville. Kick and rush? All of it? Not what I saw, nowhere near it. The concept of possession wasn’t as well defined from the games I’ve seen. Tactics seemed much more direct. Get a cross or shot in. Not much playing it back around the back 4. Indeed, there may not been the concept of a back 4. You can hear a lot of older fans get really frustrated with things like back to the goalie or back along the back line. I hear “kick if FORWARDS” frequently, when it’s actually being in control! Speak as I find, I was there
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 17, 2022 20:15:55 GMT
The concept of possession wasn’t as well defined from the games I’ve seen. Tactics seemed much more direct. Get a cross or shot in. Not much playing it back around the back 4. Indeed, there may not been the concept of a back 4. You can hear a lot of older fans get really frustrated with things like back to the goalie or back along the back line. I hear “kick if FORWARDS” frequently, when it’s actually being in control! Speak as I find, I was there What colour were your flares and how long did your mullet go later on?
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Post by warehamgas on Feb 17, 2022 20:17:42 GMT
Ok. Thanks for your honesty. Regarding the “would then be sent off” comment. Unlikely he would be sent off because the laws regarding tackling haven’t greatly changed. Back then players were taught how to tackle and it was a far greater part of the game then. They were taught to do it properly and get the ball. Now, I look at games and you see very few real tackles, when you do see them it makes the crowd react, home player positively, away player they shout for him to be sent off. But many players don’t know how to tackle because it isn’t taught. So what you get nowadays is something that’s mis-timed, half-hearted and usually done out of desperation. Players don’t really know how to tackle today because it’s not taught, it’s not part of daily training. (Can you imagine Pep G spending any time on teaching his players how to tackle? No, I can’t either.) Your point about the standard of non league is a fair one. The standard outside of the EFL is far better now, reflecting the greater interest, media interest and everyone now wanting a slice of a very large football pie. There’s more money overall and this filters down to non league. You’re partly correct though, there were some excellent players and with regards to Rovers, because for much of that time we were far higher in the pyramid, the standard of our players then were far higher than now on a comparative scale. Hence my pov that our teams then would beat our teams now. Generational war!!! I’m sure your mum taught you to respect your elders! Behave yourself! 😉 UTG! I just expect my youngers to respect their elders. MY elders can shove it :-) So the only point I will add, and those are some interesting points, that what gets you booked and sent off has definitely changed. I can show you examples of loads of fouls in old games which are straight reds now either not getting carded or a yellow. So while the rules on tackling haven’t changed, that’s why players don’t charge in now because if you get it wrong you’re off. You’re talking about interpretation which I can agree with but the laws haven’t changed greatly. And of course lots of fouls then would now warrant a red card but that’s due to interpretation. In the end I guess it would depend upon who was refereeing, a 1980s ref or Trevor Kettle! UTG!
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Post by albaron on Feb 18, 2022 0:39:35 GMT
Speak as I find, I was there What colour were your flares and how long did your mullet go later on? We actually wore "straights " Levi sta press or denims and the hair was short with a razor cut parting.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 18, 2022 6:29:10 GMT
What colour were your flares and how long did your mullet go later on? We actually wore "straights " Levi sta press or denims and the hair was short with a razor cut parting. Ah so you were a mod?
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 18, 2022 19:06:49 GMT
Speak as I find, I was there What colour were your flares and how long did your mullet go later on? No flares or smoke bombs in those days
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Post by aghast on Feb 18, 2022 21:55:42 GMT
It's like every other comparison thread.
You can't take a 1973 footballer and compare him to a 2022 footballer. All you can do is compare him to his contemporaries at the time. The Don Megson promotion squad may have liked a crafty fag and didn't have every aspect of their minutes on the pitch scrutinised and analysed by sports scientists, but they were better than most of the other flabby footballers of their day in the 3rd Division.
If they were around today, they would still have the same basic superior ability but with enhanced training, coaching and diet, and would still be better than the other highly coached players at our level.
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Post by gulfofaden on Feb 18, 2022 22:31:29 GMT
What colour were your flares and how long did your mullet go later on? No flares or smoke bombs in those days Just those rattle things you twirled around and rossettes, flat caps, and jumpers for goal posts. Isn’t it!
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 19, 2022 14:26:22 GMT
No flares or smoke bombs in those days Just those rattle things you twirled around and rossettes, flat caps, and jumpers for goal posts. Isn’t it! And bricks
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Post by gasheadontour on Feb 19, 2022 14:58:46 GMT
Hard to beat the the 1980s era of Gary Mabbutt, Alan Ball, Gerry Francis, David Williams, Ian Holloway etc playing for Rovers.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 19, 2022 15:00:29 GMT
Hard to beat the the 1980s era of Gary Mabbutt, Alan Ball, Gerry Francis, David Williams, Ian Holloway etc playing for Rovers. What a player David Williams was !
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Post by Gashead73 on Feb 19, 2022 15:05:09 GMT
The squads of 1988-1991 were and still are my favourite
Parkin Alexander Yates Jones Twentyman Purnell Mehew Saunders White and not forgetting Stewart Penrice Martyn Waddock Tilson Hardyman Skinner Pritchard G.Taylor Browning (I need to stop) 😉
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