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Post by baggins on Feb 1, 2022 12:04:04 GMT
Errrm surely you're doing the club out of money by not going to the game?! When did you last go to a game? Only if you were otherwise going to the game. If it is IPTV or nothing at all then the club don't lose out. If it is IPTV over iFollow then the club lose the iFollow revenue then the club lose out. If it is IPTV over going to the game then the club lose out. Go to the home games, pay for ifollow when it's available.
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Post by bidefordgas on Feb 1, 2022 12:20:49 GMT
Only if you were otherwise going to the game. If it is IPTV or nothing at all then the club don't lose out. If it is IPTV over iFollow then the club lose the iFollow revenue then the club lose out. If it is IPTV over going to the game then the club lose out. Go to the home games, pay for ifollow when it's available. As I said earlier IPTV are illegally streaming ifollow as it is a service not to be shown in public arenas and is for home viewing only. At least using a VPN to watch in this country requires the viewer to purchase the ifollow stream and the majority of revenue goes to the club.
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Post by baggins on Feb 1, 2022 12:25:21 GMT
Go to the home games, pay for ifollow when it's available. As I said earlier IPTV are illegally streaming ifollow as it is a service not to be shown in public arenas and is for home viewing only. At least using a VPN to watch in this country requires the viewer to purchase the ifollow stream and the majority of revenue goes to the club. I'll just stick to turning up.
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Post by fordyp on Feb 1, 2022 12:58:54 GMT
It's got nothing to do with that and everything to do with your question about doing the club out of money, which I'm not. When I CAN buy an iFollow stream in the UK, I do. When I can't, I watch on IPTV. Errrm surely you're doing the club out of money by not going to the game?! When did you last go to a game? What's that got to do with you? IPTV/iFollow is not an alternative to going to games and I do when I can. If I'm not going anyway and the game isn't on iFollow to buy then they lose f*ck all.
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Post by aghast on Feb 1, 2022 17:21:11 GMT
Go to the home games, pay for ifollow when it's available. As I said earlier IPTV are illegally streaming ifollow as it is a service not to be shown in public arenas and is for home viewing only. At least using a VPN to watch in this country requires the viewer to purchase the ifollow stream and the majority of revenue goes to the club. It's not really illegal, is it? I mean the word is widely used, but no action is ever taken against the viewer or streamer, and nor could it be in reality. It's the internet and it's like the Wild West out there.
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Post by gasheadowen on Feb 1, 2022 20:07:46 GMT
Errrm surely you're doing the club out of money by not going to the game?! When did you last go to a game? What's that got to do with you? IPTV/iFollow is not an alternative to going to games and I do when I can. If I'm not going anyway and the game isn't on iFollow to buy then they lose f*ck all. When did you last go to a game? I'm sure Ifollow is perfect for those abroad, but if it was made legally available there would be plenty of people who in 2002 when there was no such invention who wouldn't have thought twice about going to a game, suddenly aren't attending when the temperature is below 15 degrees and thus its costing the club money.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 1, 2022 20:14:06 GMT
As I said earlier IPTV are illegally streaming ifollow as it is a service not to be shown in public arenas and is for home viewing only. At least using a VPN to watch in this country requires the viewer to purchase the ifollow stream and the majority of revenue goes to the club. It's not really illegal, is it? I mean the word is widely used, but no action is ever taken against the viewer or streamer, and nor could it be in reality. It's the internet and it's like the Wild West out there. The EFL, alongside all 72 of its member Clubs, has today launched a campaign aimed at discouraging the illegal streaming of fixtures, warning that doing so will take vital revenue away from Clubs. The outbreak of COVID-19 and subsequent behind-closed-doors matches mean that income generated by streaming on the League’s official service, iFollow (or club equivalent service), is more important than ever, and remains one of the only income streams available at this challenging time. Illegal streaming, therefore, is having a greater impact on Clubs whilst supporters are unable to attend matches. The EFL and its Clubs could potentially lose around a third of income from illegal streaming this season, a figure which is potentially much higher when factoring in every illegal stream. Statistics show that over half of sports fans consume sports content from pirate services at least once a month. Over 7,000 illegal EFL streams have been detected so far this season, with an average of 170 people viewing each stream, totaling almost 1.2million people. Supporters in the UK accessing iFollow (or club equivalent) via a VPN are also accessing the stream illegally. Failure to comply with the terms set out when subscribing to iFollow is a serious breach and allows the EFL to terminate the subscription. Clubs streaming through their own services are likely to have very similar rights in their terms and conditions. The EFL and its Clubs take piracy incredibly seriously, working with a specialist security agency to proactively seek out illegal streams on all formats and taking action against businesses and individuals. Supporters are therefore encouraged to report any illegal streams, or pubs that may be showing EFL content unlawfully, by emailing piracy@efl.com. All emails will be treated confidentially.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 20:21:33 GMT
As I said earlier IPTV are illegally streaming ifollow as it is a service not to be shown in public arenas and is for home viewing only. At least using a VPN to watch in this country requires the viewer to purchase the ifollow stream and the majority of revenue goes to the club. It's not really illegal, is it? I mean the word is widely used, but no action is ever taken against the viewer or streamer, and nor could it be in reality. It's the internet and it's like the Wild West out there. That's not really the case as there's been a number of cases where streamers have been prosecuted in the UK torrentfreak.com/?s=UK.
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Post by The Equaliser on Feb 1, 2022 20:24:09 GMT
Is it really any different to sneaking a view outside a ground without paying to go in? 😂
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 20:33:38 GMT
It's not really illegal, is it? I mean the word is widely used, but no action is ever taken against the viewer or streamer, and nor could it be in reality. It's the internet and it's like the Wild West out there. The EFL, alongside all 72 of its member Clubs, has today launched a campaign aimed at discouraging the illegal streaming of fixtures, warning that doing so will take vital revenue away from Clubs. The outbreak of COVID-19 and subsequent behind-closed-doors matches mean that income generated by streaming on the League’s official service, iFollow (or club equivalent service), is more important than ever, and remains one of the only income streams available at this challenging time. Illegal streaming, therefore, is having a greater impact on Clubs whilst supporters are unable to attend matches. The EFL and its Clubs could potentially lose around a third of income from illegal streaming this season, a figure which is potentially much higher when factoring in every illegal stream. Statistics show that over half of sports fans consume sports content from pirate services at least once a month. Over 7,000 illegal EFL streams have been detected so far this season, with an average of 170 people viewing each stream, totaling almost 1.2million people. Supporters in the UK accessing iFollow (or club equivalent) via a VPN are also accessing the stream illegally.Failure to comply with the terms set out when subscribing to iFollow is a serious breach and allows the EFL to terminate the subscription. Clubs streaming through their own services are likely to have very similar rights in their terms and conditions. The EFL and its Clubs take piracy incredibly seriously, working with a specialist security agency to proactively seek out illegal streams on all formats and taking action against businesses and individuals. Supporters are therefore encouraged to report any illegal streams, or pubs that may be showing EFL content unlawfully, by emailing piracy@efl.com. All emails will be treated confidentially. How can that statement be correct, what UK law are users breaking using a VPN to watch game on iFollow?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 20:34:52 GMT
Is it really any different to sneaking a view outside a ground without paying to go in? 😂 That's probably illegal as well if it became a big issue for a club!
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Post by aghast on Feb 1, 2022 20:37:43 GMT
It's not really illegal, is it? I mean the word is widely used, but no action is ever taken against the viewer or streamer, and nor could it be in reality. It's the internet and it's like the Wild West out there. That's not really the case as there's been a number of cases where streamers have been prosecuted in the UK torrentfreak.com/?s=UK. Can't see the link to this topic in that. But I doubt if it's true. Who is prosecuting who? Avon and Somerset's finest, or the CPS chasing down a streaming industry in Moscow or Thailand? It just doesn't happen, in my opinion. It's just words. I stand to be corrected though. Not saying I agree or sympathise with it, but you can't 'prosecute' anyone. It happens.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 20:58:58 GMT
That's not really the case as there's been a number of cases where streamers have been prosecuted in the UK torrentfreak.com/?s=UK. Can't see the link to this topic in that. But I doubt if it's true. Who is prosecuting who? Avon and Somerset's finest, or the CPS chasing down a streaming industry in Moscow or Thailand? It just doesn't happen, in my opinion. It's just words. I stand to be corrected though. Not saying I agree or sympathise with it, but you can't 'prosecute' anyone. It happens. I thought this "topic" was using IPTV streams to watch iFollow games, hence why I've shown a link to such streamers being successfully prosecuted, so it is clearly illegal to stream iFollow games via IPTV's, I sense you're being a bit blinkered if you think watching them via IPTV's is perfectly legal.
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Post by The Equaliser on Feb 1, 2022 21:05:21 GMT
Can't see the link to this topic in that. But I doubt if it's true. Who is prosecuting who? Avon and Somerset's finest, or the CPS chasing down a streaming industry in Moscow or Thailand? It just doesn't happen, in my opinion. It's just words. I stand to be corrected though. Not saying I agree or sympathise with it, but you can't 'prosecute' anyone. It happens. I thought this "topic" was using IPTV streams to watch iFollow games, hence why I've shown a link to such streamers being successfully prosecuted, so it is clearly illegal to stream iFollow games via IPTV's, I sense you're being a bit blinkered if you think watching them via IPTV's is perfectly legal. I think what Aghast means is with millions now streaming ‘illegally’ thru IPTV the chances of getting actually charged/apprehended are minuscule.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 21:14:51 GMT
I thought this "topic" was using IPTV streams to watch iFollow games, hence why I've shown a link to such streamers being successfully prosecuted, so it is clearly illegal to stream iFollow games via IPTV's, I sense you're being a bit blinkered if you think watching them via IPTV's is perfectly legal. I think what Aghast means is with millions now streaming ‘illegally’ thru IPTV the chances of getting actually charged/apprehended are minuscule. Aghast stated streaming wasn't illegal, not that you are unlikely to be caught, that's two entirely different issues.
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Post by aghast on Feb 1, 2022 21:21:26 GMT
I think what Aghast means is with millions now streaming ‘illegally’ thru IPTV the chances of getting actually charged/apprehended are minuscule. Aghast stated streaming wasn't illegal, not that you are unlikely to be caught, that's two entirely different issues.   Well I meant, but didn't say, that it might be illegal in theory to watch a stream in the UK, but in practice it's meaningless. Nobody will be imprisoned or fined for it. The article references 'warning emails' being sent out. Ooh err. It's beyond legal control. Millions do it, have done it for years, and will continue to do it. Again, I'm not saying it's right or ok, and I personally don't do it, but it is a thing. Maybe a pub or sports club showing illegal streams could be stopped with a warning, but Joe Bloggs at home can do whatever he wants and will do. I've forgotten the original point now. Damn.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 1, 2022 21:27:17 GMT
Aghast stated streaming wasn't illegal, not that you are unlikely to be caught, that's two entirely different issues. Well I meant, but didn't say, that it might be illegal in theory to watch a stream in the UK, but in practice it's meaningless. Nobody will be imprisoned or fined for it. The article references 'warning emails' being sent out. Ooh err. It's beyond legal control. Millions do it, have done it for years, and will continue to do it. Again, I'm not saying it's right or ok, and I personally don't do it, but it is a thing. Maybe a pub or sports club showing illegal streams could be stopped with a warning, but Joe Bloggs at home can do whatever he wants and will do. I've forgotten the original point now. Damn. www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/illegal-premier-league-streaming-service-21003626
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Post by aghast on Feb 1, 2022 21:33:32 GMT
Well I meant, but didn't say, that it might be illegal in theory to watch a stream in the UK, but in practice it's meaningless. Nobody will be imprisoned or fined for it. The article references 'warning emails' being sent out. Ooh err. It's beyond legal control. Millions do it, have done it for years, and will continue to do it. Again, I'm not saying it's right or ok, and I personally don't do it, but it is a thing. Maybe a pub or sports club showing illegal streams could be stopped with a warning, but Joe Bloggs at home can do whatever he wants and will do. I've forgotten the original point now. Damn. www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/illegal-premier-league-streaming-service-21003626Shows how much I know then.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 1, 2022 21:45:32 GMT
Well I meant, but didn't say, that it might be illegal in theory to watch a stream in the UK, but in practice it's meaningless. Nobody will be imprisoned or fined for it. The article references 'warning emails' being sent out. Ooh err. It's beyond legal control. Millions do it, have done it for years, and will continue to do it. Again, I'm not saying it's right or ok, and I personally don't do it, but it is a thing. Maybe a pub or sports club showing illegal streams could be stopped with a warning, but Joe Bloggs at home can do whatever he wants and will do. I've forgotten the original point now. Damn. www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/illegal-premier-league-streaming-service-21003626You've got to be a bit stupid to advertise it on social media!
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 2, 2022 11:17:05 GMT
"Just sign up to an IPTV service and watch it on iFollow each week anyway..." Perhaps you needed to add: "just make sure you pay for any games shown in the UK"? Otherwise it seems you're suggesting robbing to club of match subscriptions? Fair comment, and in the spirit of some of the stuff going on in Westminster today, I withdraw and change my comment accordingly. Yes but will you publicise the full report?
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