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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 8, 2022 13:47:13 GMT
I see both sides to the argument….. personally the options are too polarised for me but I get the sentiment… My view is that I’m agnostic and not really upset by it at all - in fact part of me thinks it’s a good motivator loaning a player the 12th man shirt as it’s almost saying to that player that you’re that special and we think that highly of you that the fan base are your sponsors - don’t let us down. Deliver and you have the privilege of being held up by all the fans, whereas if you don’t then you’re letting the whole fan base down… Kinda high pressure, high reward approach. I do understand why others may be more passionately against it though… Hopefully E.Anderson delivers and does the12th man shirt proud…early signs were promising from his debut Saturday UTG Great post. Totally understand why some are upset - ultimately I agree with their point. I guess the next question is then "do I actually care enough to be upset about it though?" - the answer for me personally is no. That doesn't mean I don't understand why some would be though. Personally I do think it's poor taste - if a squad number was retired for the fans, it seems pretty poor form to go back on that. Hence sticking with the original sentiment wouldn't have exactly done any harm - it was the path of least risk/upset. - Keep 12 as Gasheads and those who do care are happy, those that don't literally don't care either way - Get rid of 12 as Gasheads and those who do care are angry/unhappy, and those that don't care literally don't care either way So seems a bit of a daft decision. My actual guess is that they simply forgot and gave it to him - was a genuine mistake. But once they realised, they were too scared to admit it as they were worried that admitting they forgot about it would cause even more offence than if they just dropped it and moved forwards. Exactly. It’s being made out we’re having a meltdown but we’re not exactly having a meltdown. It isn’t the end of the gas if Elliot comes out tonight wearing the 12 and he probably can’t be reassigned now. But some of us do think it’s poor form and are calling it out as such. Some seem to be under the impression we want to stick members of the board / SCs head up on a pitchfork but it’s mild dissatisfaction. Like I said before if it was a genuine mistake and the club came out and put their hands up I’m probably the least upset about it than any other alternative. Honest mistake, these things happen as long as it’s acknowledged and learned from. If the SC thought it was a genuinely good idea then I’m confused as to how they think they’d own it and why they’d think it would be a good idea that wouldn’t upset more than it impresses. if it’s a cover up then I’m genuinely quite angry that they all thought they could sweep it under the carpet this way instead of just putting their hands up, and annoyed at the SC for playing ball. To be clear, no bad feelings towards Elliot though under any circumstance. Not his fault in his first pro loan that he’s associated by name to this mess.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 8, 2022 13:47:24 GMT
It’s not about the f**king number though, is it? It’s about the club recognising that even when the club was on the verge of going out of the league and quite possibly winking out of existence altogether, it was our unwavering support, our not giving up, our sheer bloody-mindedness that helped save the club, along with Dennis Dunford and the other directors. THAT’S why it’s important to a lot more people than you seem to think. And just because 79 people on this forum “don’t give a flying f**k”, doesn’t mean there aren’t potentially hundreds or even thousands of Gasheads out in the real world who are genuinely annoyed/upset/angry about the whole thing. I never take the forum vote seriously or who votes for what. But I can tell you something there are not hundreds and certainly not thousands that really care about this. Yes it was done when we were on our knees but times have moved on and people don't really care about what happened nearly 20 years ago it's been forgotten about by the majority. I was largely ambivalent, though recognising that it may be not well received. Your post has actually swayed me to thinking what a truly awful decision it was. The fact that so many, 20 years on don't know and don't care why it was done is exactly the reason it should have been celebrated and preserved. So unnecessary too, and I hope the SC have told the Board so, and are only going through the charade of being ok with it to help with unity and to help the club limit any damage. Probably a very noble act from the SC. (I hope)
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Post by The Equaliser on Feb 8, 2022 14:45:35 GMT
I never take the forum vote seriously or who votes for what. But I can tell you something there are not hundreds and certainly not thousands that really care about this. Yes it was done when we were on our knees but times have moved on and people don't really care about what happened nearly 20 years ago it's been forgotten about by the majority. I was largely ambivalent, though recognising that it may be not well received. Your post has actually swayed me to thinking what a truly awful decision it was. The fact that so many, 20 years on don't know and don't care why it was done is exactly the reason it should have been celebrated and preserved. So unnecessary too, and I hope the SC have told the Board so, and are only going through the charade of being ok with it to help with unity and to help the club limit any damage. Probably a very noble act from the SC. (I hope) Good post, I too didn’t give a care much but after reading OlskoolTotenders explanation and noting how strong both his and a few others feelings were to it all I think maybe a statement or apology is due.
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Post by yattongas on Feb 8, 2022 14:49:29 GMT
Great post. Totally understand why some are upset - ultimately I agree with their point. I guess the next question is then "do I actually care enough to be upset about it though?" - the answer for me personally is no. That doesn't mean I don't understand why some would be though. Personally I do think it's poor taste - if a squad number was retired for the fans, it seems pretty poor form to go back on that. Hence sticking with the original sentiment wouldn't have exactly done any harm - it was the path of least risk/upset. - Keep 12 as Gasheads and those who do care are happy, those that don't literally don't care either way - Get rid of 12 as Gasheads and those who do care are angry/unhappy, and those that don't care literally don't care either way So seems a bit of a daft decision. My actual guess is that they simply forgot and gave it to him - was a genuine mistake. But once they realised, they were too scared to admit it as they were worried that admitting they forgot about it would cause even more offence than if they just dropped it and moved forwards. Exactly. It’s being made out we’re having a meltdown but we’re not exactly having a meltdown. It isn’t the end of the gas if Elliot comes out tonight wearing the 12 and he probably can’t be reassigned now. But some of us do think it’s poor form and are calling it out as such. Some seem to be under the impression we want to stick members of the board / SCs head up on a pitchfork but it’s mild dissatisfaction. Like I said before if it was a genuine mistake and the club came out and put their hands up I’m probably the least upset about it than any other alternative. Honest mistake, these things happen as long as it’s acknowledged and learned from. If the SC thought it was a genuinely good idea then I’m confused as to how they think they’d own it and why they’d think it would be a good idea that wouldn’t upset more than it impresses. if it’s a cover up then I’m genuinely quite angry that they all thought they could sweep it under the carpet this way instead of just putting their hands up, and annoyed at the SC for playing ball. To be clear, no bad feelings towards Elliot though under any circumstance. Not his fault in his first pro loan that he’s associated by name to this mess. Love that and I’m going to steal it ……“ I’m mildly dissatisfied “
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Post by bridgwatergas on Feb 8, 2022 15:04:11 GMT
I never take the forum vote seriously or who votes for what. But I can tell you something there are not hundreds and certainly not thousands that really care about this. Yes it was done when we were on our knees but times have moved on and people don't really care about what happened nearly 20 years ago it's been forgotten about by the majority. I was largely ambivalent, though recognising that it may be not well received. Your post has actually swayed me to thinking what a truly awful decision it was. The fact that so many, 20 years on don't know and don't care why it was done is exactly the reason it should have been celebrated and preserved. So unnecessary too, and I hope the SC have told the Board so, and are only going through the charade of being ok with it to help with unity and to help the club limit any damage. Probably a very noble act from the SC. (I hope) But at the time the club was on its knees and a few people thought this up and went and spoke to GD who thought it was a good idea and went with it. Fair play to all involved but at the time it wasn't that popular and now it seems even less. The majority of fans want a winning team and a football club to be proud of and are not bothered by a number of a shirt.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 8, 2022 15:28:30 GMT
I was largely ambivalent, though recognising that it may be not well received. Your post has actually swayed me to thinking what a truly awful decision it was. The fact that so many, 20 years on don't know and don't care why it was done is exactly the reason it should have been celebrated and preserved. So unnecessary too, and I hope the SC have told the Board so, and are only going through the charade of being ok with it to help with unity and to help the club limit any damage. Probably a very noble act from the SC. (I hope) But at the time the club was on its knees and a few people thought this up and went and spoke to GD who thought it was a good idea and went with it. Fair play to all involved but at the time it wasn't that popular and now it seems even less. The majority of fans want a winning team and a football club to be proud of and are not bothered by a number of a shirt. But if some are, and nobody’s bothered if we don’t use it, then why not just avoid using it altogether. The more we talk about it the more I am suspecting that, yeah, it was a cock up with an awful cover up.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 8, 2022 16:15:31 GMT
Can't believe people are getting worked up or 'mildly dissatisfied' over this but are accepting of JB as our manager........ insight into the mind of the average Gashead?
No offence intended, feel free to delete
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Post by gasandelectricity on Feb 8, 2022 16:18:37 GMT
Can't believe people are getting worked up or 'mildly dissatisfied' over this but are accepting of JB as our manager........ insight into the mind of the average Gashead? No offence intended, feel free to delete Why would we delete? It’s a forum? 🙂 you’ve not said anything offensive. I’d say the dissatisfaction over Barton is far beyond ‘mild’ given we seem to have a number of anti Barton themed threads even when we have promotion form. We all know how people feel one way or the other about Barton, although it does change. I can’t imagine we’ll be having refresher threads on #12 once these threads die out in a couple of days. Whereas Barton manages to find its way into more or less every thread. Even those about stadiums or squad numbers.
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Post by Baxtinho on Feb 8, 2022 16:50:39 GMT
Can't believe people are getting worked up or 'mildly dissatisfied' over this but are accepting of JB as our manager........ insight into the mind of the average Gashead? No offence intended, feel free to delete I've been debating whether to post this, thanks for putting your head above the parapet! I just presumed it was the weird SC sense of over-importance again, unhappy that everyone's forgotten or lost interest in them so they've stood up banging a pan now they've got this titbit.
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Post by stapletongas on Feb 8, 2022 17:59:38 GMT
Can't believe people are getting worked up or 'mildly dissatisfied' over this but are accepting of JB as our manager........ insight into the mind of the average Gashead? No offence intended, feel free to delete Why would we delete? It’s a forum? 🙂 you’ve not said anything offensive. I’d say the dissatisfaction over Barton is far beyond ‘mild’ given we seem to have a number of anti Barton themed threads even when we have promotion form. We all know how people feel one way or the other about Barton, although it does change. I can’t imagine we’ll be having refresher threads on #12 once these threads die out in a couple of days. Whereas Barton manages to find its way into more or less every thread. Even those about stadiums or squad numbers. And spare a thought for Barton, he can no longer refer to us as the 12th man! Robbed of one of his soundbites. Maybe we can find a few players with the surnames Mountain, Journey or something a bit French.
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Post by Big Jock on Feb 8, 2022 19:20:11 GMT
£89 ffs! Theys havin a laugh…..😂😂😂. 😉
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